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njsykora posted:Worth noting that its probably unlikely that you're going to see a flood of used cards from this since a lot of the big Chinese mining ops sold their equipment straight to American mining ops, though there will probably be some. Aren't the majority of those rigs ASICs, anyway? Either that or specialty "miner" cards that don't have video outputs of any kind.
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Bitcoin is mined via ASICs Ethereum is mined via GPU I don't think Nvidia's output-less mining-only cards have hit the market in large numbers yet It's probably true that anyone who caught holding the bag on Chinese mining is going to first see if they can offload to other miners, since getting rid of the cards in bulk is easier/more convenient than handling orders for individual cards to individual gamers Still, I'd keep an eye on Aliexpress, to monitor prices at least
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Don’t look now but a certain thin-air asset lost something like 15% of it’s made up value in the past 24 hours. Just need a week more like it to be back where things were a year ago.
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Spacedad posted:Don't know how true or false this is, but this looks like a pretty nasty PR scandal for Nvidia. I can't find any on ebay or craigslist, I'm inclined to believe it
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Spacedad posted:Don't know how true or false this is, but this looks like a pretty nasty PR scandal for Nvidia. EVGA also did essentially a paper launch on their $599 3070 Ti XC3 and put it all into the $800 3070 TI FTW. The notification was disabled after not even 30 seconds and has stayed down; but the $800 ftw3 stayed up perpetually. They do appear to be producing the $699 XC3 Ultra version somewhat though. but yeah all the "MSRP" cards are essentially all paper Xaris fucked around with this message at 02:51 on Jun 22, 2021 |
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Xaris posted:EVGA also did essentially a paper launch on their $599 3070 Ti XC3 and put it all into the $800 3070 TI FTW. The notification was disabled after not even 30 seconds and has stayed down; but the $800 ftw3 stayed up perpetually. Isn't this what they did for the 3080 and 3090s? The notify queue for the FTWs is moving at....a pace, but the cheaper XC3 queue hasn't moved at all since launch. Once they realized they could just sell out of the more expensive versions instantly there was no point in manufacturing any of the cheaper lines.
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EVGA 3080 FTW3 (non-Ti) isn’t even listed on Best Buy anymore.
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SpicyPete posted:Isn't this what they did for the 3080 and 3090s? The notify queue for the FTWs is moving at....a pace, but the cheaper XC3 queue hasn't moved at all since launch. Once they realized they could just sell out of the more expensive versions instantly there was no point in manufacturing any of the cheaper lines. and hey makes sense; likewise 3080 non-ti is essentially dead as well. and it's much better profit. just be honest about it
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Looks like AMD is following NV in deprecating some older hardware, the new driver they put out to coincide with FSRs launch only goes back to Vega/Polaris
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I'm pretty sure FSR is entirely baked into the game, it doesn't require any special driver support AMD just put out an "FSR driver" for marketing reasons I think, like how every new game release has a Game Ready Driver that may or may not actually do anything
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ah, for some reason i thought i'd get to try it out on older games
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Nah it requires game integration, and so far they've only announced one game (Godfall lol) There's a supposed leaked list of FSR games doing the rounds though https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-fidelityfx-super-resolution-coming-to-7-games-at-launch
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Spacedad posted:Don't know how true or false this is, but this looks like a pretty nasty PR scandal for Nvidia. When all of the stock was going to get scalped anyway, I don't think anyone really cares. Whether Nvidia sells many/any founders or ships em all to the AIBs, then end result is the same so  . Especially when the AIBs are willing to do anything Nvidia wants for allocation. There has been quite a few models in the past that they never made many (or any) FE cards with, anyway.If I was Nvidia, I wouldn't make any FEs right now at all because its completely irrelevant, and use it all for leverage over the AIB partners (who are really Nvidia's customers).
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It honestly wouldn't surprise me if nVidia doesn't just respond to this with It would very much surprise me if they're still in the consumer GPU game in 5-10 years. They're clearly trying to pivot to APUs and CPUs. Who knows, they might even split into two companies rather than sell off the GPU division since the IP is probably too valuable.
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Just wanted to say that this thread has been really great lately. Thanks everyone who has been putting the effort in. You all are wonderful.
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maybe it's just me but every screenshot of that dude makes it seem like he's still crying from that time intel told him to knock it off and he recorded that hostage video
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Spacedad posted:Don't know how true or false this is, but this looks like a pretty nasty PR scandal for Nvidia. if I'm understanding this correctly: * NVidia doesn't really control how AIBs price their cards. They can set an MSRP as a suggestion, and they have a few "soft-power" tools to nudge sentiment one way or the other, but for the most part, the AIBs get to dictate the price * indeed, the 3080 Ti pricing reflects more that NVidia would much rather be able to take a cut of the price inflation situation that so far, only AIBs, retailers, and scalpers have been able to tap into * the one thing whose price they CAN control, though, are the Founder's Edition cards. NVidia pays for them to be manufactured, and they sell them for whatever price NVidia wants. If it's priced to not make any money, too bad, but having a "loss leader" to drive marketing is a perfectly normal practice. * what Linus is saying is, that they can't find much evidence that 3070 Ti FE cards were sold in any kind of meaningful amount. This is not to say that 3070 Ti's as a whole are a "paper launch", because you can (mostly) but 3070 Ti's, but only the AIB models * they suspect that what NVidia did was to announce the 3070 Ti FE with an MSRP that's "reasonable" so that they can earn back some goodwill from the 3080 Ti being perceived as way overpriced ... * ... but at the same time, they produced so few of the FE cards that the MSRP is effectively meaningless. Or rather, moreso than it already was. * there's always been this tension between NVidia and the AIBs: NVidia would like to sell some number of FEs just to drive adoption and buzz for their new product, while AIBs would rather there be as few of those sold as possible because it's not their money, and the AIB models are always more expensive than the FE cards, so it makes their product less attractive in comparison. What NVidia is doing here is turning that dynamic to its extremes - they (allegedly) are selling a token amount of FE cards, and nobody noticed because card availability is so bad anyway. They get to advertise a relatively low MSRP, and the AIBs are kept happy with not needing to compete with FEs (and the price of the 3070 Ti goes up to the levels they set) - it's a "win-win".
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repiv posted:Looks like AMD is following NV in deprecating some older hardware, the new driver they put out to coincide with FSRs launch only goes back to Vega/Polaris Yesterday's driver release is available even for the 390 by the looks of it, but yeah, it will be the last driver for many older GPUs.
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Bofast posted:Yesterday's driver release is available even for the 390 by the looks of it, but yeah, it will be the last driver for many older GPUs. Looks like they put out a final Legacy branch driver for older cards like the 390, the new "FSR driver" doesn't support them https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/release-notes/rn-rad-win-21-6-1 quote:Radeon Software Adrenalin 21.6.1 is compatible with the following AMD Radeon products. https://www.amd.com/en/support/graphics/amd-radeon-r9-series/amd-radeon-r9-300-series/amd-radeon-r9-390x quote:Windows Legacy Drivers repiv fucked around with this message at 12:14 on Jun 22, 2021 |
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FSR is out: https://gpuopen.com/fidelityfx-superresolution/ Pretty much as expected, all it does is upscale while trying to preserve edge sharpness. It can't bring out any detail not present in the low resolution input unlike TAAU/DLSS/etc. CAS already had an edge-preserving upscale mode so it seems like FSR is just CAS 2.0 with a different name repiv fucked around with this message at 14:21 on Jun 22, 2021 |
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repiv posted:Looks like they put out a final Legacy branch driver for older cards like the 390, the new "FSR driver" doesn't support them Support for pro duo but no other 3rd gen GCN. I guess dropping support for the $1500 card after 5 years was where they hesitated
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There were two Pro Duos, a GCN3 one and a GCN4 one. Presumably only the latter is supported now? https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-pro-duo.c2828 https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-pro-duo-polaris.c2953
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Tamba posted:https://www.scmp.com/tech/policy/article/3138130/bitcoin-crackdown-sends-graphics-cards-prices-plummeting-china-after I came up in the shuffle to buy a 3070ti on sat, and ordered it, expecting to sell my 2070 for 600-700 but the ebay prices on the 2070 and the 3070ti are both down a lot just in the last week and it's got me thinking about returning it and riding this out for a while
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Well, Anno 1800 is the only game I own that supports FSR and I only have a 1440p monitor, but I tried it out anyway (5700 XT/r5 5600X/32GB of DDR4 3200). At max settings with native 1440p, Anno 1800 runs at 36 fps when fully zoomed out over a town. At 120% FSR (they give scaling percentages instead named presets in Anno, I guess), the game runs at 48 fps fully zoomed out. At 150%..... it also runs at 48 fps. Zoomed in was a similar story. Native was about 42 fps, while 120 and 150 were in the mid 50s (I believe 150 was better here actually, but my screenshots didn't capture my framerate overlay unfortunately so I can't say for sure). I'm not entirely sure why 150 didn't really perform much better than 120. Maybe some engine weirdness? It definitely looked blurrier. Zoomed in: Native  120% FSR  150% FSR  Zooming in on the fine details: Native  120% FSR  150% FSR  Sorry that they aren't perfectly aligned, i'm bad at this. Anyway, I consider 120% usable despite being blurrier. I had a hard time noticing it without scrutinizing. Though in these kinds of games, scrutinizing is one of the chief forms of enjoyment. Looking over your village, taking in all the details, that kind of thing. 120% was somewhat noticeable but the exact difference wasn't apparent until I blew up the image. 150% was what I consider unplayable though. It was far too blurry for my tastes. I didn't test the other modes (130, 140, and "sharpen only") because the game has to restart each time you change it, and it's on a slow HDD. I took more screenshots at different zoom levels but I'm going to bed. edit: fixed the first screenshot. Also note that, though I tried to give it enough time to load everything in, there may be some LOD weirdness corrupting the results. There's also some degree of randomness every time you reload (in the trees, at least, but maybe other things too). I can't tell if the brick roads look different in FSR because of the upscaling or because of the game using a different road model variant upon reloading. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 14:49 on Jun 22, 2021 |
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GN's initial video on it is pretty good, basically saying it's not quite as good as DLSS, but it's certainly good enough. I also like that they're testing it on low end cards and integrated graphics which is probably the group of people who are going to be using this more. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCzjQ4qP124&t=965s
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Followup to my post: Ubisoft pushed another update as I was writing it and renamed the FSR presets to the ones in the GamersNexus video, and also removed the "sharpen only" option, whatever that was. I'm now wondering if what I used was even the true FSR. It did say "Fidelity FX", but I can't remember if it was the Super Resolution variety specifically. Maybe that was one of AMD's earlier implementations? If so, then I guess disregard that whole post lmao
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njsykora posted:GN's initial video on it is pretty good, basically saying it's not quite as good as DLSS, but it's certainly good enough. I also like that they're testing it on low end cards and integrated graphics which is probably the group of people who are going to be using this more. Good enough at 4K perhaps, but that's something of a special case. It's such overkill that you can afford to throw away some detail. It's kind of telling that DigitalFoundry didn't get preview access
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Trip report on my 3080: I've only really played Control and Doom Eternal so far, but it is very neat being able to play both those games with the detail fully cranked up at 1440p. I have found so far for Control that I don't like to have DLSS on - the game runs extremely smooth for me with DLSS and full raytracing detail on. I'm sure that this isn't the case for other games, as Control is an 'older' title and seems fairly optimized for what it is. For Doom Eternal - I am pretty sure I don't have DLSS on there either, but the game runs ridiculously smooth for the most part. As I'm working on a lot of project and classwork, I haven't had much time to game with it yet, but will later next month.
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Spacedad posted:Trip report on my 3080: I've only really played Control and Doom Eternal so far, but it is very neat being able to play both those games with the detail fully cranked up at 1440p. Doom Eternal is optimized to hell and can hit high FPS on pretty much anything, especially at 1440p. I think you'd only start to struggle and need DLSS at 4K or when they add ray tracing later this year
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Rusty posted:The 1080ti also had 10GB. Probably 99% of PC gamers have 8GB or less so I wouldn't worry too much about it. Nah 11
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change my name posted:Doom Eternal is optimized to hell and can hit high FPS on pretty much anything, especially at 1440p. I think you'd only start to struggle and need DLSS at 4K or when they add ray tracing later this year Doom Eternal raytracing and DLSS is dropping on the 29th
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Well this is a nice surprise. More frames is always nice, I'm going to need better eyeballs to see the difference at the higher quality settings.
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repiv posted:Doom Eternal raytracing and DLSS is dropping on the 29th Oh good I can redownload it, turn all the settings on, look around for a bit, and then quit (Game gave me pretty bad motion sickness for some reason)
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Alan Smithee posted:Newegg has a gundam pre build up for pre order I don't care what anyone says, this is loving cool.
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