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| Golf GTI / R / R32 |
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196 | 0.02% |
| Impreza WRX / STi |
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133 | 0.01% |
| Mazdaspeed 3 |
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92 | 0.01% |
| Veloster Turbo |
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20 | 0.00% |
| Focus ST |
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149 | 0.01% |
| Other Hot Hatch |
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230 | 0.02% |
| Elantra GT |
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1000001 | 99.92% |
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TheBacon posted:If you care about cars enough to post ITT you will regret not getting something that at least makes you a little heart racing, makes you want to look back at it when you park. I don't know about that, I think it depends on where you're at in your life and what you need in a vehicle overall, if part of that is a little excitement then a GTI is a good car for that if you can afford one. I drove a few (including the Jetta version) when I was looking for a new car and I liked it, but I didn't like it nearly enough to pay what it cost. I don't drive much and when i do it's in urban sprawl running errands and taking my son to school, straight flat roads in a grid system with hardly any turns to speak of (Florida) so honestly I wouldn't have been able to put a GTI through it's paces much anyway. My car doesn't make my heart race lol, but it handles decent with summer tires and has enough torque when I step on it to get me past idiots driving around this over populated city. It doesn't make me smile from ear to ear when I drive it or anything, but I don't dislike driving it either and I'm content with it until I can get a EV, and the E-Golf is high on the list. They were dropping in price big time before the used market went nuts so I'm gonna have to wait awhile until prices get back to normal.
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Jun 19, 2021 16:07
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Residency Evil posted:Is the mk7 shifter much different than the mk6? I had a 6 speed Mk6 GTI and the shifter seemed fine, especially after I switched it out to the OEM Audi short shifter. I can't weigh in on MK6 vs MK7, but I'm a dinosaur too and enjoy the manual transmission on my MK7. It feels a lot like the other VW manual transmissions I've used, so nowhere near as notched of shifts as a Miata, but I feel it's pretty smooth for DD tasks and takes to more aggressive shifting pretty well too. I'm a backroad bomber, not a track rat for what it's worth. As for a tune-ready clutch, I'd say $1000 for the labor and however much for the clutch kit. FCPEuro has a Stage 1 Sachs that claims it's good for 400 lb-ft of torque for about $700: https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/audi-vw-performance-clutch-kit-sachs-performance-kit-883082001422kt2. I'll bet there are more than a few MK7s out there with a tune and the stock clutch though. Everyone seems to think eventually it'll burn up, but how long before that happens is somewhat variable is my guess.
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Jun 19, 2021 16:27
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As the previous owner of a gen 2 Mazda3 hatch (RIP) and the current owner of a Mazda3 turbo PP, don't buy these cars and expect street performance. They're certainly fun to drive, and real easy to maintain, but they lack the responsiveness of a GTI/WRX. The gen 4 is honestly a bit too polished and drives very similarly to my mom's RX350. I love the Mazda3 turbo but I'm already looking forward to when I can give this car to a family member in 10 years or so and pick up something with a bit more excitement.
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Jun 19, 2021 17:16
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My two cents, SA guided me to a mk7.5 GTI to replace my 02 auto Maxima when I was going crazy in COVID lockdown and wanted to at least have daily driving be fun - going back to stick was a big part of why I wanted a different car anyway so going DSG would've defeated the purpose. I'm sure the auto is great too, just go with whatever suits your goals ya know. I'm about 5k miles into mine and have definitely spent some time googling variations of basically "why does this GTI transmission feel bad to use" and I'd like to try some of the mods for it some day, but I've been getting the hang of it a lot more lately and am still totally loving the car. Was real confused how VW, being "the people's car", and having made transmissions for an eternity wouldn't have an amazing stick, but my layman guess from googling is it's designed to be easy and lenient for smooth daily driving even if it's your first stick, which can make it not quite behave or feel how someone wanting it to be more like an NA Miata or something would go for.Residency Evil posted:Is the mk7 shifter much different than the mk6? I had a 6 speed Mk6 GTI and the shifter seemed fine, especially after I switched it out to the OEM Audi short shifter.
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Jun 19, 2021 18:35
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My opinion on the GTI manual is that the rev hang was annoying, and it was a bit hard to get the feel for when the clutch disengages compared to my other cars. Other than that, it seemed fine. I ended up having to get a DSG though due to a stalling issue with the car. I got the DSG without ever trying it and never owning an automatic just based on the reputation. My initial impression was I did not enjoy it and it just didn't feel engaging, but getting to know how to use it changed all that and I am glad to have it now. It has three modes, D which is really sluggish and tuned for gas mileage, it always maintains the lowest possible RPM and is sometimes really stubborn about giving you a downshift even at like 1100 RPM. The S mode is a lot more sporty, but the way they do it is raise the RPMs by like 500 so your idle is around 1100 and also as a result, the downshift can be really jerky. Luckily all this behavior can be overridden by flicking the paddle for a downshift or switching to manual mode. In this mode if you have the next gear queued up, downshifts and up shifts are instant and fun as hell. The other thing I don't get is the kickdown, it has this large delay which makes it worthless in my opinion, you can trigger your own kickdown much faster using the paddles.
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Jun 19, 2021 18:45
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I thought the manual in my MKVI GTI felt great, even with 160K miles on it.  It shifted smoothly, never put up a fight getting into any gear, and overall was pretty drama free. I’m not sure if that generation had delay valves but I didn’t notice anything like that. It wasn’t notchy like the RWD transmissions I had in my NA Miata or the BRZ I currently have, but that’s not really a bad thing. The transmission in the BRZ is complete garbage in comparison.
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Jun 19, 2021 19:04
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I've owned a lot of Miatas so I think that kind of ruined me for almost every other manual transmission made. The GTI manual felt very disconnected to me, both the clutch and shifter. Then again just about every other manual I drove felt kinda meh as well (Ford, Toyota, Hyundai, Mazda) with the exception to the Hondas (Civic and Accord) which felt really good.
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Jun 19, 2021 21:55
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I came from a Honda manual to the mk7 manual. Bought it specifically because I wanted a manual (and I wanted the plaid) and got the performance package to get the LSD. Get the manual dude. Yes the DSG is probably faster and better in every way, and yes, the vw manual unit is not as good as the Miata, but who cares? Drive it, and if you like it, buy it. That's what I did. It's still the best hot hatch you can buy.
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Jun 19, 2021 22:39
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I went from a Subaru sti to an M2 and the BMW manual gearbox is worse in every single way, but the rest of the car makes up for it X1 billion
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Jun 19, 2021 23:49
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The rev hang is very curable and the cure has numerous side benefits
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Jun 19, 2021 23:56
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:The rev hang is very curable and the cure has numerous side benefits What is this cure?
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Jun 20, 2021 00:21
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Pine Cone Jones posted:What is this cure? isn’t it like buried deeeeep in a settings menu? Or was that for the M240i?
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Jun 20, 2021 00:35
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A tune
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Jun 20, 2021 00:36
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Yeah, if it's new though you are throwing your warranty out the window. Also a tune makes it a it more likely you will need a new clutch. The rev hang is specifically there for emissions to burn off some of the remaining fuel.
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Jun 20, 2021 00:49
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Pretty sure on an IG post or in a podcast humblemechanic kind of poo poo on the crank walk thing as being extremely overblown by the community. But I can remember where I heard/saw it exactly.
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Jun 20, 2021 06:15
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I just realised that I've made it to 9 years and just over 100k km on my 2013 Polo GTI, with the twincharger 1.4L engine and 7-speed DSG. At the time it was the most 'fun' end of the sensible/fun scale I was willing to buy and I was fully aware of all the engine and gearbox issues they were known to have, but so far it's been relatively ok. That said, it has gone through a water pump, an alternator and one coil pack... These days it almost feels too sensible though, it's fun but I'm wishing I had something a bit crazier.
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Jun 20, 2021 10:41
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Rusty posted:Yeah, if it's new though you are throwing your warranty out the window. Also a tune makes it a it more likely you will need a new clutch. The rev hang is specifically there for emissions to burn off some of the remaining fuel. APR+ has a warranty
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Jun 21, 2021 02:44
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I’ve finally sat down and run the financials with a pro and come up with a range of what I’m willing to spend. I’m going to be test driving some GTIs this week. I’m seeing a few 2017-2018 SEs, which at minimum have the nicer lights, if not the desired upgrades (or it’s standard in the 2018) and a couple of 2019s, including a Rabbit Edition (  ) at the highest end of my price range ($25k), but it is nifty. Also some less expensive 2019 SEs and IIRC maybe one S in the $20-24k range.I’m going to be putting a lot of miles (~15-20k) on this car for work and after talking with a financial professional, I should be able to write off a healthy portion of the costs over the next several years. I want the best experience possible in terms of amenities but of course I don’t wanna overpay. Is the 2019 infotainment/etc worth it over the 2017? 2018? Am I gonna miss the plaid if I go with leather? How does the leather hold up? There are way more SEs available in my area/budget with the desired features than anything else, so dollars to donuts I end up with leather interior and a sunroof. Is that bad? People seem to hate both those things....and I really want the plaid.
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Jun 21, 2021 05:09
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How important is infotainment to you? I ask because on any modern car I just throw on CarPlay and go from there. The difference in infotainment systems is therefore relatively meaningless to me. I guess bigger screens became available later but I have the little one on the alltrack and it doesn't bother me. I think you should get the plaid if you want the plaid. It's a fairly common car, you can find one that has the specification you like. You will spend a lot of time in it so you should enjoy it as much as possible.
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Jun 21, 2021 11:55
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:APR+ has a warranty As far as leather and plaid goes, in the 2019 + trims, the SE is always leather and S is plaid, I had both and personally I think the leather looks nicer, it really changes the look. The SE gets you the full LED adaptive headlights, push to start and proximity locks, larger infotainment (with Fender only), sunroof, and I posted earlier that there is also an experience package trim in SE that gets you DCC, Fender audio, and a larger sway bar. Rusty fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Jun 21, 2021 |
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Jun 21, 2021 14:56
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a mysterious cloak posted:So I'm stuck in a Chrysler 300 through probably next week until the GTI is fixed, and :omg: the Chrysler is godawful Every GTI/R insurance policy should cover a GTI/R as a loaner, because... yeah, I know the feeling. It could be worse though, you could have a Kona.
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Jun 21, 2021 21:24
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PT6A posted:Every GTI/R insurance policy should cover a GTI/R as a loaner, because... yeah, I know the feeling. It could be worse though, you could have a Kona. I have to ask about your avatar
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Jun 21, 2021 21:26
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Pine Cone Jones posted:I have to ask about your avatar no please don't
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Jun 21, 2021 21:39
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Ok Comboomer posted:So- unless somebody buys one of these large German boys out from under me in the next 48 hrs, I’m between a 2017 SE (Perf Pack/Lighting Pack, Sunroof, Leather, fancy Fender radio, NO DRIVER SAFETY FEATURES) for $23k
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Jun 21, 2021 21:48
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At least for me, a good stereo has always been the most important part of a car after it running and not being a rusty shitbox. I'd say go for the SE over the rabbit, but that's me.
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Jun 21, 2021 21:54
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I think 2019's come with a 6-year/72,000-mile transferable warranty, which might add more to the "peace of mind column" for the Rabbit. I'd probably lean toward that anyway, but I think at this point you ought to check them out and get a feel for them yourself. Gonna go ahead and recommend getting an inspection if it's at all possible too.
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Jun 21, 2021 22:37
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Is the lighting package LED adaptive headlights? I think I would get the Rabbit just for the wheels to be honest, they are pretty sought after. If it was the 2019 SE it would be a harder choice, but I don't think the fender audio is all that much better.
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Jun 21, 2021 22:39
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It sounds like you like the Rabbit better overall. Car audio is relatively straightforward to upgrade, and frankly a vehicle isn't exactly an optimal listening environment anyway so as long as the speakers aren't blown out or there's something otherwise broken, "premium" audio options simply aren't worth it. If the warranty transfers and a PPI comes up clean it seems like an easy choice.
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Jun 21, 2021 22:42
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I am now reading that people with the adaptive braking have had their car stop itself suddenly when driving over poo poo like metal construction plates in the road, and that in at least one case somebody got “very nearly rear ended”. Considering that ~85% of the cars on the road still don’t have any kind of brake assist maybe I’m better going without and just counting on myself to not rear-end somebody
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Jun 21, 2021 22:43
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Most fairly recent cars have at least low speed auto braking and have had for the past five or so years.
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Jun 21, 2021 22:48
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Isn't it still a general rule that it's better to upgrade the sound system in your car than pay for a premium one from the factory?
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Jun 21, 2021 22:58
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Fart Car '97 posted:Isn't it still a general rule that it's better to upgrade the sound system in your car than pay for a premium one from the factory? I have the fender system in my 16 gti and frankly it's the best system I've had in a car period, but the gti has also been the fanciest car I've had, so that that with a grain of salt
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Jun 21, 2021 23:13
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Late to the Mk7 talk, but I agree with most of the folks on this thread saying DSG > Stick. Mine is manual today and, if I were to replace it with a Mk8 or something, the DSG is pretty solid. I'm at 300 ~whp and ~330 wtq and I know my stock clutch hates me for it. I don't beat on it too badly, though, so I rarely have slippage.
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Jun 22, 2021 00:04
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I bought my 2017 GTI SE 15 days shy of the 30th anniversary of getting my driver's license. I learned on my dad's '84 Ranger with a 4-speed and drove nothing but manuals for that entire time. Test drove both 6MT and DSG before settling on the DSG. I didn't like the high bite point of the clutch in the VW and after having two Honda Civics Si before it, I got spoiled with their excellent shifters. Absolutely no regrets going with the DSG.
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Jun 22, 2021 01:13
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WescottF1 posted:I bought my 2017 GTI SE 15 days shy of the 30th anniversary of getting my driver's license. I learned on my dad's '84 Ranger with a 4-speed and drove nothing but manuals for that entire time. Test drove both 6MT and DSG before settling on the DSG. Speaking of shifters: Who has good manual transmissions? I presume it can be a bit personal but I'm really curious: Honda in the Si, Mazda on the Miata or in general? Ford on the Mustang? Subaru on the WRX?
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Jun 22, 2021 03:42
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Fiesta shifter is very nice. Miles better than the mustang or the boxster I’ve driven recently, though both of those were 05-07, so take it with a grain of salt.
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Jun 22, 2021 03:48
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Volguus posted:Speaking of shifters: Who has good manual transmissions? I presume it can be a bit personal but I'm really curious: Honda in the Si, Mazda on the Miata or in general? Ford on the Mustang? Subaru on the WRX? The MX5 has a much better shifter than, say, the Mazda3. People were talking about it ITT like a week ago when I first brought up my car situation. Also- I think I’m probably gonna end up in a black 2017 SE tbqh, because another has appeared with way fewer miles for way less money than the other two I’m looking at. Worst case scenario I found a supplier of OEM Clark Plaid fabric. I can ask my mom to make me some decorative lumbar pillows, so that I can be like a more demure version of one of those VW guys
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Jun 22, 2021 04:05
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Dr. Lunchables posted:Fiesta shifter is very nice. Miles better than the mustang or the boxster I’ve driven recently, though both of those were 05-07, so take it with a grain of salt. Also better than my old shitbox integra, my civic, and à friends brz. Just the right amount of notch so that it doesn't feel like the shifter from an arcade cockpit racer while still being pretty smooth.
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Jun 22, 2021 04:19
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Ok Comboomer posted:The MX5 has a much better shifter than, say, the Mazda3. People were talking about it ITT like a week ago when I first brought up my car situation. hello yes i would like to pay your mother for a pair of VW plaid pillows
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Jun 22, 2021 04:31
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Deviant posted:hello yes i would like to pay your mother for a pair of VW plaid pillows
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