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homullus posted:Artillery are just Warriors with extra range and firepower. Warriors are just stronger scouts.
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Scouts are just workers with a vicious dog 
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Jun 17, 2021 08:30
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workers are the means of production, comrade
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Jun 17, 2021 08:37
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Scouts are just workers with a vicious dog This was changed in the latest patch, you can safely pet the dog now.
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Jun 17, 2021 09:06
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The real takeaway from Civ is that 400 men with clubs could take down a giant mecha.
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Chronojam posted:This was changed in the latest patch, you can safely pet the dog now. But not the kitty.
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Jun 17, 2021 17:02
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Pedestrian Xing posted:The real takeaway from Civ is that 400 men with clubs could take down a giant mecha. I mean, Aloy can take down a legion of mecha with a bow and (fancy) arrows in Horizon: Zero Dawn. I can't wait to try fighting cavemen with my shiny new biplanes.
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Jun 18, 2021 05:06
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well I just discovered something pretty good about cultists: even when you are full of relics at your old god obelisks and temples, the CPU will pay you like 40 gold for 30 turns for each relic so if you have extra faith you can turn it into gold at roughly 3-4:1 depending on how expensive your cultists are
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Jun 18, 2021 23:36
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I played a lot of civ6 on the switch while i was quarantined, and i started to wonder what does the computer players use to determine if were you found a city belongs to them after I built a city behind another city I had and the British and Spanish got salty I built on land they claimed.
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Jun 19, 2021 23:39
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twistedmentat posted:I played a lot of civ6 on the switch while i was quarantined, and i started to wonder what does the computer players use to determine if were you found a city belongs to them after I built a city behind another city I had and the British and Spanish got salty I built on land they claimed. lol I don't think I've ever had that happen when back filling cities, that's weird
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Jun 19, 2021 23:51
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twistedmentat posted:I played a lot of civ6 on the switch while i was quarantined, and i started to wonder what does the computer players use to determine if were you found a city belongs to them after I built a city behind another city I had and the British and Spanish got salty I built on land they claimed. sounds like they had invasion plans "alright I'll take this this and this, then I.... wait he built where?" *opens diplo* "YOUUUUU oval office!"
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Jun 20, 2021 06:14
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twistedmentat posted:I played a lot of civ6 on the switch while i was quarantined, and i started to wonder what does the computer players use to determine if were you found a city belongs to them after I built a city behind another city I had and the British and Spanish got salty I built on land they claimed. I think the metric is if the city is within X (10 maybe) tiles of two of their own cities. So if they had a forward settled city (or only had the capital) they didn't care, but they also settled another city in the area in the meantime and suddenly everything the light touches is their kingdom. I base this mostly on one game where I was flipping all of Chandragupta's cities while playing as Eleanor. When he was down to his last city he immediately phoned me up to tell me how cool it was that I had no cities anywhere near him.
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Jun 20, 2021 11:50
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That's hilarious. It doesn't really mean anything, yea you get some grievances but who cares? It's just one of those mysteries of the game like how it almost always starts me off on islands that are 75% tundra. I've been playing on PC with the monopolies on along with secret societies, barbarian tribes and heroes mods, but i can only sometimes form industry on a resource if i have 2 or more. I know its only on luxury resources so its weird i can't make industry on two instances of silk.
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Jun 20, 2021 23:17
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twistedmentat posted:I played a lot of civ6 on the switch while i was quarantined, and i started to wonder what does the computer players use to determine if were you found a city belongs to them after I built a city behind another city I had and the British and Spanish got salty I built on land they claimed. Historically accurate for the British and Spanish empires to covet all the land in the world.
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Barnaby Barnacle posted:Historically accurate for the British and Spanish empires to covet all the land in the world. Yea but I was playing as Germany.
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Jun 20, 2021 23:26
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It is so annoying that districts are pillagable in one turn. Especially harbors. Those annoying barbarian caravels just come in from the fog of war and pillage in one turn. Barbarian Clans mode made that worse as there is always some naval focused clans sitting on some coast spewing out ships. And as a player it is very hard to do anything about those as your land units might not even reach that camp. And I swear there is some kind of player bias because it feels like those ships just beeline for my harbors. I think a district should at least take two turns to pillage so you have some chance of responding. Lots of small things irritate me in this game. Honestly I liked civ 5 more.
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Jun 22, 2021 14:29
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I had a barbarian camp that was on a one tile wide isthmus between a lake and an ocean just start cranking out caravels like crazy, then privateers. I had one city on the lake and two on the ocean and their harbors were just getting ravaged. No joke like 5 or so Caravels and a privateer were kicking about. Built some trebuchets to try and plink away at the ships only for a battleship to show up. At that point I just ended up bribing them and they became venice. Bastards.
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Jun 22, 2021 14:48
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Jovial Cow posted:I had a barbarian camp that was on a one tile wide isthmus between a lake and an ocean just start cranking out caravels like crazy, then privateers. I had one city on the lake and two on the ocean and their harbors were just getting ravaged. No joke like 5 or so Caravels and a privateer were kicking about. Built some trebuchets to try and plink away at the ships only for a battleship to show up. At that point I just ended up bribing them and they became venice. Bastards. I had something crazy like that happen once but I was also playing Heros and got Sinbad. It was great.
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Jun 22, 2021 15:17
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Is there a bug with Turkey where you can't select Ibrahim if you're running secret societies or something? I had never played Suleiman before but I got him randomly selected and I just can't pick the unique governor, he's not on the list I don't think edit: nevermind I figured it out there was a scroll bar I didn't see Stefan Prodan fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Jun 22, 2021 |
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Jun 22, 2021 18:55
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Hryme posted:It is so annoying that districts are pillagable in one turn. Especially harbors. Those annoying barbarian caravels just come in from the fog of war and pillage in one turn. Barbarian Clans mode made that worse as there is always some naval focused clans sitting on some coast spewing out ships. And as a player it is very hard to do anything about those as your land units might not even reach that camp. And I swear there is some kind of player bias because it feels like those ships just beeline for my harbors. I think a district should at least take two turns to pillage so you have some chance of responding. Pillaging a district damages one building. You can't fully pillage a harbor in one action once it has a lighthouse, and if a caravel is dashing to your harbor from the fog it won't have the 6 movement to pillage twice. Actually it should't have 6 movement, period, since caravels have base 4 movement. Also you can just get some ships scouting so the fog of war is too far to get to the harbor and pillage (which costs 3 movement, out of the caravel's base 4).
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Jun 23, 2021 01:33
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I just played as Basil II for the first time, and the burst of religious pressure every time you kill a unit is outrageously satisfying. Also, mashing half a dozen horsies into city after city. Might be my new favorite civ. Weirdly, I never unlocked the sanguine pact. It should unlock after clearing a barb camp, right? I cleared several but it never triggered. Unlocked the other 3 cults just fine.
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Jun 23, 2021 06:43
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resting bort face posted:I just played as Basil II for the first time, and the burst of religious pressure every time you kill a unit is outrageously satisfying. Also, mashing half a dozen horsies into city after city. Might be my new favorite civ. It's a random chance, and you just got some bad rolls. I don't know what the chance is but I'd guess somewhere around 50%.
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Staltran posted:Pillaging a district damages one building. You can't fully pillage a harbor in one action once it has a lighthouse, and if a caravel is dashing to your harbor from the fog it won't have the 6 movement to pillage twice. Actually it should't have 6 movement, period, since caravels have base 4 movement. Also you can just get some ships scouting so the fog of war is too far to get to the harbor and pillage (which costs 3 movement, out of the caravel's base 4). Yeah I didn't mean that one pillage ruins the entire district. But repairing a lighthouse takes about 4 turns for a new city. And if you are unable to kill the caravel it will continue to pillage the next turn. It is possible to protect with ships, but in that game I was not a naval power so I had not focused on naval research. This was two of my late settled coastal cities that I opened with harbor as the first district that got harassed. I bought two galleys to protect the harbors with crossbowmen, but they were inadequate for the task. If I started with a coastal capital and focused on naval it would be different of course as I would have a navy to defend. I beelined for my own caravels but it would take at least 10 turns to get them researched. In hindsight I agree it was a bad play to start with a harbor district in new coastal cities without a navy to protect them. But honestly on immortal it is very hard to justify building a navy just to protect harbors as there is a lot of more important things to focus on to win. I guess the takeaway is that I should stop automatically building harbors in late settled coastal cities with a land power. Hryme fucked around with this message at 10:46 on Jun 23, 2021 |
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It's an interesting dilemma but yeah, build more ships dude, basically. Or try other ways of getting them - apostles to convert a navy of your own perhaps? I did this in my latest game and ended up with two Quads, a Nau (special ability didn't work sadly) and a frigate. I wasn't a naval power before but I was after! Building harbours in new cities takes a looong time so that should give you a chance to prepare. Also watch out for privateers a bit later in the game, as your coastal improvements and districts may just suddenly become pillaged without you even realising.
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DontMockMySmock posted:It's a random chance, and you just got some bad rolls. I don't know what the chance is but I'd guess somewhere around 50%. The chance decreases each time someone else unlocks that society which really sucks when you want a specific one.
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I was reminded of it since it just happened to me, but one thing I unironically like is when natural disasters happen during a war. Disasters have changed the course of wars and I almost wish disease were a risk you faced with a carpet of units.
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Jun 23, 2021 15:56
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Yeah, Japan gets that neat little bonus with hurricanes but its basically useless unless you are in apocalypse mode 
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RNG really hates my starting positions, either as i mentioned, i'm either right next or on tundra, or i have 5 other civs starting right next to me even on a HUGE map. 12 civs, 7 of them within 24 hexs of my starting spot. Also Hermetic Order the lamest secret society? Either I go with the Owls or the  depending on which I get first. Though Kubla Khan China is pretty OP with the owls because that means you have 3 trade civics right off the bat.
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Pedestrian Xing posted:Yeah, Japan gets that neat little bonus with hurricanes but its basically useless unless you are in apocalypse mode Fun thing with Russia, though - because you're in a tundra-heavy start, if you choose the Dance of the Aurora pantheon pretty much all your holy sites wind up getting 4-6 faith as a base, more near mountains. You can double that with the Scripture policy card. And if you can found your religion with the Work Ethic belief, then you get the equivalent of all that faith as production as well. This is an absolutely bonkers amount of production that early in the game, so your tundra cities become ridiculously productive early in the game. This also works to a degree with Canada (though the holy sites aren't quite as good as the Russian Lavras, and you're less likely to be pushing for a religion game with  ), Brazil with Sacred Path, or Mali with Desert Folklore.
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twistedmentat posted:RNG really hates my starting positions, either as i mentioned, i'm either right next or on tundra, or i have 5 other civs starting right next to me even on a HUGE map. 12 civs, 7 of them within 24 hexs of my starting spot. I love combining Owls with Rough Rider Teddy. Slap in the 2 envoys when you gain your first envoy card into your government and send a trade route to a Civ you haven't met yet. Boom, you are instantly Suzerein and have spent 0 envoys.
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Albino Squirrel posted:Same thing with Russia and blizzards, although as I found out they will still very much gently caress up your districts. Brazil gets ridiculous benefits from Earth Goddess because of the bonus appeal from Jungle tiles, as well. It's clear why they had to nerf Russia and Earth Goddess in the latest patch.
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Albino Squirrel posted:Same thing with Russia and blizzards, although as I found out they will still very much gently caress up your districts. I like doing this with Khmer--you don't have a super strong start bias so it takes some luck, but if you do have a spot that benefits from one of the holy site adjacency pantheons then you also get to add those massive adjacency bonuses to food in addition to faith and production.
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Madmarker posted:I love combining Owls with Rough Rider Teddy. Slap in the 2 envoys when you gain your first envoy card into your government and send a trade route to a Civ you haven't met yet. Boom, you are instantly Suzerein and have spent 0 envoys. Oh that's nice. Vietnam is a though game, as you can't place districts down unless you have forest, jungle or marsh.
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twistedmentat posted:RNG really hates my starting positions, either as i mentioned, i'm either right next or on tundra, or i have 5 other civs starting right next to me even on a HUGE map. 12 civs, 7 of them within 24 hexs of my starting spot. I had one of my easiest victories by playing Arabia on the Mediterranean TSL map. The entire African continent was left alone to me (after I ate Cleopatra's first settler) and it had an insane number of ley lines. I would lay down a new city and it'd already be pumping out 50 science/faith/production on the turn it was founded. edit: Add that with the Desert Folklore pantheon and the faith bonus that turns holy site adjacency into production 
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Hermetic is far and away the worst, even though you can get lucky with it sometimes. I wish they would buff it or like make ley lines a bit less randomly distributed because it feels really bad to pick.
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Just wrapped an Emperor game as Cyrus. Used Voidsingers to buy infinite rock bands. I did not grasp the cultists though. I surrounded one of Kongo's cities since he was my neighbor and tourism rival. I hit the city with an Indie rock band and several cultists at once and seemed to bring the city to 0 loyalty in one turn, but the bar just filled up again. At least I got a lot of tourism from the relics they left behind.
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resting bort face posted:Just wrapped an Emperor game as Cyrus. Used Voidsingers to buy infinite rock bands. I did not grasp the cultists though. I surrounded one of Kongo's cities since he was my neighbor and tourism rival. I hit the city with an Indie rock band and several cultists at once and seemed to bring the city to 0 loyalty in one turn, but the bar just filled up again. At least I got a lot of tourism from the relics they left behind. I'm not sure if this is how the mechanic actually works, but I think if a city's net loyalty-per-turn is positive, you won't turn them over. It seems more tactful to use them on cities that need more time to flip a loyalty deficit into a net. Or ones sandwiched between other empires.
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I think they nerfed that at some point: used to be if you got a city into negative loyalty through 'loyalty bomb' effects, it would flip regardless of its net loyalty-per-turn being positive or negative. Now you need to get it down to 0 with the loyalty bombs and also it needs negative loyalty-per-turn
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That seems disappointingly corner-case but the society's other bonuses seem so good I can see why they nerfed the "and also you can just steal a city too" ability.
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Try building an entertainment center and running bread and circuses, that can be enough to get it to go negative sometimes You can also use amani nearby and use a spy to remove their governor
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