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rather a trot than like 93% of ideologies tbh
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Jun 22, 2021 19:23
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Not exactly a big stable of popular Marxist sci fi writers either.
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Jun 22, 2021 19:34
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While I'm sympathetic to the idea of international/permanent revolution I find it funny how Trotskyists get hung up on Stalin's death toll the way liberals do. They honestly think an international revolution wouldn't result in rivers of blood? Own up to your drat ideology It's fine and all to get hung up on socialist states "degenerating" into state capitalism or what have you but I think it's embarrassing that some people try to sell Trotsky to libs as a Gandhi like figure who wasn't every bit as ruthless. The Bolsheviks were going to take power away from the Soviets after the Russian Civil War regardless of who was in charge, and there probably would have been a programme of ruthless industrialization under Trotsky as well. For whatever Stalin's faults were they amounted to nothing compared to the material reality of Russia during his rule Yossarian-22 has issued a correction as of 19:44 on Jun 22, 2021 |
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Jun 22, 2021 19:38
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Snowball was cooler than Napoleon, so there you go.
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Jun 22, 2021 19:54
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https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1407402033896902661
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Jun 22, 2021 20:00
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bout time imo
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Jun 22, 2021 20:00
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thrown into a labor camp for asking the wrong person to join my capital vol 2 andd 3 reading group 
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Jun 22, 2021 20:06
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might as well start stockpiling cheap guns and trying to get range lessons going. it's only a matter of time before even wishy washy criticism is enough to get you monitored
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Jun 22, 2021 23:34
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is ammo still ridiculously expensive? I haven’t been to the range in like two years I need to fix that soon but I can’t be paying $1 per round of 9mm
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Jun 22, 2021 23:40
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idk about pistol ammo but 7.62x39 is pretty cheap. rifles are what I prefer to shoot.
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Jun 22, 2021 23:50
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:Mieville is still cool and a fun writer even if he's a trot, who care. https://twitter.com/liamatera/status/1370743120208429062?s=19
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Jun 23, 2021 00:19
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R. Mute posted:had to think of this: ah, the smell of fresh bait
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Jun 23, 2021 00:31
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R. Mute posted:had to think of this: do you think that "anyway" is delivered with a pause or without, i can never tell when they mix commas and line breaks
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Jun 23, 2021 00:32
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who cares
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Jun 23, 2021 00:34
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steel cased plinking 9mm is going for ~37c a round and surplus 7.62 is running at ~28c at the moment. i think the ammopocalypse may be over
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Jun 23, 2021 00:36
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i always liked mieville's article about libertarian seasteaders https://inthesetimes.com/article/floating-utopias Big capital will support tax-lowering measures, of course, but it does not need to piss and moan about taxes with the tedious relentlessness of the libertarian. Big capital, with its ranks of accountant-Houdinis, just gets on with not paying it. And why hate a state that pays so well? Big capital is big, after all, not only because of the generous contracts its state obligingly hands it, but because of the gun-ships with which its state opens up markets for it. Libertarianism, by contrast, is a theory of those who find it hard to avoid their taxes, who are too small, incompetent or insufficiently connected to win Iraq-reconstruction contracts, or otherwise chow at the state trough. In its maundering about a mythical ideal-type capitalism, libertarianism betrays its fear of actually existing capitalism, at which it cannot quite succeed. It is a philosophy of capitalist inadequacy.
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Jun 23, 2021 00:55
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Raskolnikov38 posted:the first armistice negotiation was hilarious because the bolsheviks decided to send representatives of all russian society to the meeting. so they sent some random rear end peasents, soldiers, sailors, and a woman who had assassinated a russian general German diplomats complained their guards were being exposed to red propaganda, so the Bolsheviks agreed that fair is fair and the Germans could agitate among the Bolshevik troops if they wanted to. platzapS has issued a correction as of 02:49 on Jun 23, 2021 |
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Jun 23, 2021 02:43
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what do you think Lenin would make of the current American media landscape. I worry he'd come to the conclusion that it's hopeless
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Jun 23, 2021 02:49
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According to "Leninism Under Lenin", diplomats for the Central Powers angrily rejected the Soviet request to send a delegation to the workers of Austria-Hungary to ask their opinion on the matter.
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Jun 23, 2021 02:54
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really enjoying re-reading losurdo's liberalism: a country history. thankful somebody itt brought it up
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Jun 23, 2021 02:55
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does eating rear end follow the labor theory of value?
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Jun 23, 2021 03:36
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R. Mute posted:had to think of this: This doesnt apply, as china mieville isn't a good writer
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Jun 23, 2021 04:31
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CoolCab posted:do you think that "anyway" is delivered with a pause or without, i can never tell when they mix commas and line breaks aaaaaaanyway
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Jun 23, 2021 04:51
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completely unsurprising but at least its nice to see it in writing.
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Jun 23, 2021 05:16
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Yossarian-22 posted:While I'm sympathetic to the idea of international/permanent revolution I find it funny how Trotskyists get hung up on Stalin's death toll the way liberals do. They honestly think an international revolution wouldn't result in rivers of blood? Own up to your drat ideology Stalin successfully kept the world’s first socialist state alive through hostile capitalist encirclement, the Great Depression, industrialization, and World War II (not to mention saving this world from Nazi Germany’s industrial genocide programs) — followed by the creation of the Eastern Block and his recognition of Mao’s PRC. Nobody in history has been a bigger pain in the rear end for capital than Stalin, hence why he is so maligned. Trotsky was meeting with the HUAC during this time and writing historical fiction. Of course Trots are envious and bitter.
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Jun 23, 2021 05:29
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leftist infighting in the contemporary us is cool bc the left does not exist as an actual organized political project that 99% of the working class is aware of or cares about. but getting into flame wars is dope.
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Jun 23, 2021 05:37
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so does this mean they'll also let anarchists and socialists in the congress now? 
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Jun 23, 2021 05:38
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In Training posted:leftist infighting in the contemporary us is cool bc the left does not exist as an actual organized political project that 99% of the working class is aware of or cares about. but getting into flame wars is dope. getting in flame wars is all in good fun, idk how many people let it impact their actual organizing. those are the people I’d worry about
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Jun 23, 2021 05:44
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I miss apropos
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Jun 23, 2021 05:54
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In Training posted:leftist infighting in the contemporary us is cool bc the left does not exist as an actual organized political project that 99% of the working class is aware of or cares about. but getting into flame wars is dope. indigi posted:getting in flame wars is all in good fun, idk how many people let it impact their actual organizing. those are the people I’d worry about yeah, unfortunately it seems to be something of a problem among some audiences, like some corners of twitter like, posting as entertaining pseudo-intellectual sport is all well and good (and even better when funny), but let's break kayfabe for a bit: if someone's internet hot take on Trotsky or Stalin or Bakunin (or whatever dead person you prefer that fits the category) is a ideological battleground of utmost importance that makes completely impossible to cooperate with the other person because you must be completely right at all loving times, well, holy poo poo. Meanwhile, people organizing on fast-food or supermarket chains could not give absolutely any less of a poo poo about the minutiae of dialectical analysis between different intellectual factions from the early twentieth century it is like one of our guys was talking about during the preparation for anti-bolso protests here: gtfo with "a government that's pawn to international capital", put the loving price of gas that's making poor people resort to scavenging firewood to cook on the release, or maybe electricity that's about to take another loving hike and sell the main national public company along that, loving everyone in the process. reach out with solid, actual, direct concerns that matter now, that resonate
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Jun 23, 2021 06:15
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yeah i don't experience any of that ideological hairsplitting in actual life. hell I don't even see it online bc this is the only website I use bc I'm a creature of habit. it seems deeply poisonous to your soul to spend a lot of time on twitter slinging poo poo at people.
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Jun 23, 2021 06:20
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i forget if it was in this thread that people were discussing the organization of temp labor, but have been there any examples of such in recent us history. Failed attempts would be helpful too. I found instances where unions fought to include temp workers at the same workplace in the their bargaining unit, but that's a very different situation than something like trying to build class consciousness in ubereats bikers.
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Jun 23, 2021 06:24
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dead gay comedy forums posted:yeah, unfortunately it seems to be something of a problem among some audiences, like some corners of twitter Nobody is doing this, calm down We’re just saying Trotsky was a douchebag
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Jun 23, 2021 07:12
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I joke about it with some people in real life but the only places I've organized with is DSA where its a big tent with no coherent ideology so we try to focus on doing stuff, and UNITE-HERE, which is again focused on doing stuff and due to being such a huge union is basically a big tent politically speaking
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Jun 23, 2021 07:29
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In Training posted:i forget if it was in this thread that people were discussing the organization of temp labor, but have been there any examples of such in recent us history. Failed attempts would be helpful too. I found instances where unions fought to include temp workers at the same workplace in the their bargaining unit, but that's a very different situation than something like trying to build class consciousness in ubereats bikers. there's been a couple protests for those folks in Sacramento but unfortunately the filthy Uber type companies dumped literally like a billion dollars in promoting their 'less rights for app workers' bill and it passed a plebiscite.
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Jun 23, 2021 07:30
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Being a Trotskyist doesn't even matter because "Trotskyism" isn't a real tendency.
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Jun 23, 2021 07:31
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in real life the people you gotta be wary of are American Maoists
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Jun 23, 2021 07:32
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:in real life the people you gotta be wary of are American Maoists every third world maoist I've met has been an upper middle or straight up ruling class rich kid lol. Bet it's pretty easy to write off the working class when you don't know any
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Jun 23, 2021 07:33
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is this the Red Guards recruiting thread
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Jun 23, 2021 07:35
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on the one hand a lot of me making fun of trots and anarkiddies and the like is just shitposting but on the other hand if you actually want to get something done then maybe you shouldn't take your cues from people who think that a track record of complete and abysmal failure to even inconvenience international capital is some kind of badge of honour
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