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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Haz's stance on Nick Land is that only Marxists understand him, and he's right. what does this mean
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Jun 23, 2021 16:14
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lol
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Jun 23, 2021 16:14
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indigi posted:what does this mean it means only marxists understand nick land. or at least that’s the claim
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Jun 23, 2021 16:15
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We're about half a decade removed from the last time neoreaction was an extant school of thought, and since then the only people taking accelerationism seriously are leftists.
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Jun 23, 2021 16:17
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Nick mulLand
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Jun 23, 2021 16:18
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I didn't think there was value in Marxist streamers because they all seem to be grifters, that guy changed my mind and the rhetoric should be as bold as the goal. This is the bar for Marxist streamers. Weed out the centrists playing socialist and demand the control of the state be in the hands of the workers and highlight its going to have to be taken by force.
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Jun 23, 2021 16:21
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maybe workers can simply vote out the capitalists and they’ll go quietly
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Jun 23, 2021 16:30
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fart simpson posted:maybe workers can simply vote out the capitalists and they’ll go quietly this seems to be the strategy in South America and hell it seems to be working in a few places. I don’t think either strategy will work in the US
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Jun 23, 2021 16:34
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I assume it was Nick Cave
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Jun 23, 2021 16:51
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indigi posted:this seems to be the strategy in South America and hell it seems to be working in a few places. I don’t think either strategy will work in the US imo "immediately aligning with foreign powers to plot a coup" is definitely not "going quietly"
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Jun 23, 2021 16:51
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Every left wing government in Latin America is if not facing an outright coup, riddled with reactionary paramilitaries wreaking havoc at every possible opportunity. Except Cuba.
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Jun 23, 2021 16:53
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my bony fealty posted:land is the guy who looks at the death of the planet and culture from capitalism and says the solution is killing all minorities oh no, it is much richer, much better, much funnier than that, it deserves proper posting Nick Land was part of quite a thing called Cybernetic Culture Research Unit out of the university of Warwick in the UK. The thing could be described as an informal study group at first, then a cultural theory project, then a complete what the gently caress collective that, among other things, led to academics there saying “the CCRU does not, has not and will never exist.” It started pretty okay, as far as these things go: a study group by the feminist philosopher Sadie Plant interested on sociology and anthropology with relation to the internet. Veeeeeeery academic. Nick Land tagged along. Then she left and he took the helm. He had ideas. Land, an antisocial thinker with a penchant for drugs, looked at all the hosed up poo poo happening because of postmodern capitalism and brought upon himself to solve the personal experience under it. He invented accelerationism. And decided to make everyone around him produce and create art and theory about that. He did amphetamines, and then started doing more, then started pushing while on the university for the benefit of the students (of course), then got his rear end kicked out along with the CCRU. By that time, it was morphed into a semi-cult thing with researches on occult and raves (especially the jungle scene). Because this entire enterprise was completely loving fatalistic in perspective, of course people got sick and awful because of it and Land spiraled further into madness (and on speed). His entire deal was the whole maniac "who has the courage to stare into the abyss" pretentiousness of some fuckbrain philosophers, and of course, he wrote a loving lot about Nietzsche. Problem was that he was actually too intelligent for his own good and could never stop frying his brains on thinking about poo poo (hence the speed), along an antisocial and pessimistic personality. Finally, he wrote a bunch of poo poo about cheering desperately for capital to fash itself up for the sake of acceleration. Well, to nobody's surprise, he had a sort of definitive meltdown on China while doing too much speed and disassociated himself to the point where he could only refer to himself as "it" and on the third person for years, and then the internet fash got wind of his works. the only really special thing about Land's writing is how incredibly committed to owning himself through self-destruction because he simply can't accept that he might be wrong and that he doesn't know poo poo, becoming an ultrafascism-mixed-with-blade-runner dispenser. quite a 90s figure
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Jun 23, 2021 17:04
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R. Mute posted:if you've ever organised anywhere near trots, you'd know you can't be in a big tent with them. just from a practical viewpoint. they're the cliché leftists - holier than thou, always have to get their way, constantly trying to enhance their own profile instead of empowering people, incessantly splitting, no plans to actually build power, being weird unwashed losers that put off the people they need to reach. and always with the newspapers Yo you loving with PVDAPTB too? Nice
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Jun 23, 2021 17:09
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fart simpson posted:maybe workers can simply vote out the capitalists and they’ll go quietly I call it markism
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Jun 23, 2021 17:10
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dead gay comedy forums posted:the only really special thing about Land's writing is how incredibly committed to owning himself through self-destruction because he simply can't accept that he might be wrong and that he doesn't know poo poo, becoming an ultrafascism-mixed-with-blade-runner dispenser. quite a 90s figure Nowadays people only know Nick Land for inspiring retrowave, which afaik is a myth.
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Jun 23, 2021 17:10
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I could fix him
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Jun 23, 2021 17:14
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dead gay comedy forums posted:oh no, it is much richer, much better, much funnier than that, it deserves proper posting this is fantastic and makes a lot of sense hahaha of course he was/is a speedfreak I would love to see a deep dive into the supposed right wing tendencies of synth/retrowave, don't know much there other than Carpenter Brut supposedly produces Deathspell Omega
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Jun 23, 2021 17:20
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fart simpson posted:maybe workers can simply vote out the capitalists and they’ll go quietly i'm not historyologist but i believe this is what lenin did
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Jun 23, 2021 17:23
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tokin opposition posted:I call it markism Lol
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Jun 23, 2021 17:42
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:in real life the people you gotta be wary of are American Maoists Mao’s greatest mistake was his refusal to have Deng Trotsky’d
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Jun 23, 2021 17:49
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lol
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Jun 23, 2021 17:49
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He's right
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Jun 23, 2021 17:52
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Serious question: Why all the hate for Deng? Given the outcome, it looks like he was right.
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Jun 23, 2021 17:54
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Serious question: Why all the hate for Deng? Given the outcome, it looks like he was right. The Great Reformer saved us from the spectre of Vietnamese hegemony
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Jun 23, 2021 17:59
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Serious question: Why all the hate for Deng? Given the outcome, it looks like he was right. 
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Jun 23, 2021 17:59
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my experience organizing with trots is that at some point they start trying to poach members, derail projects, denounce your delegation to venezuela, etc
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Jun 23, 2021 17:59
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belgend posted:Yo you loving with PVDAPTB too? Nice
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Jun 23, 2021 18:19
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Serious question: Why all the hate for Deng? Given the outcome, it looks like he was right. ironically the shittiest part of deng's governance was continuing the mao era foreign policy of continuing collusion with america against the ussr (in afghanistan, against vietnam, etc)
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Jun 23, 2021 18:45
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“HAD Mao died in 1956, his achievements would have been immortal. Had he died in 1966, he would still have been a great man but flawed. But he died in 1976. Alas, what can one say?”
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Jun 23, 2021 18:54
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Demon Semen posted:Mao’s greatest mistake was his refusal to have Deng Trotsky’d Not saying you don't know this, but Maoists in North America don't take their cues directly from MLM. They align more with the Shining Path.
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Jun 23, 2021 18:55
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How about dongism, and it's just for the fellas.
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Jun 23, 2021 18:56
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:in real life the people you gotta be wary of are American Maoists eh, the Red Guard types are dying out. most of the mainstream Maoist orgs nowadays actually do the Mass Line and work in poor communities to help the people there. they just don’t aggressively push their internet brand so extremely online people don’t hear about them
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Jun 23, 2021 18:57
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Not saying you don't know this, but Maoists in North America don't take their cues directly from MLM. They align more with the Shining Path. again this was true 5 years ago but most major orgs look down on Gonzaloists
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Jun 23, 2021 18:58
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Ferrinus posted:“HAD Mao died in 1956, his achievements would have been immortal. Had he died in 1966, he would still have been a great man but flawed. But he died in 1976. Alas, what can one say?” Mao was a great man but flawed IMO. Deng was lower than panda poo poo, though.
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Jun 23, 2021 19:05
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I still don't understand the "antirevisionists" who despise Khrushchev but love Dengists. poo poo makes no sense
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Jun 23, 2021 19:11
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it's not my scene, so what are the "mainstream maoist orgs" in the US? Literally the only ones I've dealt with IRL are red guard
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Jun 23, 2021 19:12
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:it's not my scene, so what are the "mainstream maoist orgs" in the US? Literally the only ones I've dealt with IRL are red guard blackhammer
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Jun 23, 2021 19:15
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you must remember that most people online in the left are dipshits with too much time on their hands and basically arriving at their positions at random so they can argue with other morons who will never go outside. having a strong opinion on deng in the first place generally makes someone one of that class as well
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Jun 23, 2021 19:16
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Larry Parrish posted:you must remember that most people online in the left are dipshits with too much time on their hands and basically arriving at their positions at random so they can argue with other morons who will never go outside. .... Deng is why the CCP became owned by Chinese billionaires and capitalists my dude Acknowledging this does not make someone terminally online or whatever
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Jun 23, 2021 19:22
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Yossarian-22 posted:I still don't understand the "antirevisionists" who despise Khrushchev but love Dengists. poo poo makes no sense this is at least in part because deng never did mao dirty with a secret speech equivalent
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Jun 23, 2021 19:22
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