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goddamnedtwisto posted:The funny thing is that an actual genuine war probably *would* end up with a lot of glide bombs (well, probably laser-guided ones) being lobbed about. It's much, much easier and cheaper to jam, decoy, or otherwise evade inbound missiles than it is to develop measures to evade such jamming, and the hit rate of state of the art guided anti-ship missiles has been startlingly low pretty much constantly through their lives. Worth noting that suicidal-but-effective bombing manoeuvres in open warfare have been a solved problem ever since the Nagorno-Karabakh war. Get a few hundred drones with enough performance to do that, and you're sorted.
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Jun 24, 2021 01:26
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This is from the Australia pages of the Graun. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jun/24/its-in-the-air-you-breathe-what-you-need-to-know-about-sydneys-delta-covid-variant Tl:DR Delta covid - airborne transmission: aerosols hang around in the air for hours, fleeting contact (5-10 seconds) is of concern, keep wearing masks, and lots of ventilation. quote:It’s the shared air that matters the most. quote:Covid Delta variant is ‘in the air you breathe’: what you need to know about Sydney outbreak strain
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Jun 24, 2021 02:07
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"Because we're Delta variant, and life is a loving nightmare!"
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Jun 24, 2021 03:05
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OwlFancier posted:I mean the thought of a mail reporter cowering in terror that they are about to be blown up by a russian jet is a happy thought. Funny bit of dick waving anyway, looks like we deliberately went slightly into Crimean waters purely to show off how well 'ard we are, the Russians were like "gently caress off right now or we will kill you" & we were like "yessir loving off sir thankyouverymuch"
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Jun 24, 2021 06:39
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Aside from everything else mentioned, the facial hair seems an influence, moustaches and beards make people seem old now. If you read books from the 1930s and 40s, the campion books especially, they will describe an elderly person and in a modern mind’s eye they sound 90 and it will turn out they are 70. The answer is preventable childhood disease. Rickets, smallpox, whooping cough, measles, rubella, mumps, polio, yellow fever, diphtheria, cholera have all been eradicated in the UK - but it took 200 years from the invention of the smallpox vaccine for even that to disappear.
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Jun 24, 2021 07:08
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Guavanaut posted:Some of the younger members of the Pakistani diaspora have adopted akhi as a thing, as a close soundalike of the Arabic (and wider Islamic) word for 'my brother/friend' and also far less offensive than the alternative with a hard leading P, but it was the British tabloids that ruined the original word there. Akhi is the hebrew word for 'my brother' and Israelis use it the same way that a characters from a late 90s movie about surfing in southern California would use 'dude'. 
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Jun 24, 2021 08:51
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team overhead smash posted:Because annexing Crimea is wrong and illegal? Why is that our problem?
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Jun 24, 2021 08:56
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Not So Fast posted:Why is that our problem? From Gov't's perspective it's just dick-waving, but their on-paper justification is the same as the socialist one
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Jun 24, 2021 09:01
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Genociding Crimea and then transferring it to Ukraine after you've massively changed the demographics is also wrong and illegal but 
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Jun 24, 2021 09:07
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https://twitter.com/britishmuseum/status/1407972580447985667 All that poo poo we stole will finally go back to it's rightful owners when Gideon sells it all for coke money.
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Jun 24, 2021 09:46
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Guavanaut posted:Genociding Crimea and then transferring it to Ukraine after you've massively changed the demographics is also wrong and illegal but It runs up against the problem all of these kinds of questions do, which is that land is finite and people are weirdly resistant to the idea of strangers walking into their home without permission (aka “property rights are exclusive”), which is then conceptually extended to the limits of whatever land they have the exclusive right to. If land is finite and property is exclusive, and assuming people don’t implement population controls, who owns land eventually becomes survival-level important. People in survival-type decisions consistently choose to do whatever gives them the best chance of surviving indefinitely. Sometimes (quite often) they have kids and start making decision based on what they think would give their kids the best chance of surviving indefinitely. This isn’t sarcasm, to be clear, it’s just my best guess at why we as a species are so recurrently genocidal when as individuals literally nobody* thinks that genocide is ok. I’m not sure it’s a solvable problem, which I find depressing. You’d think you could say “your right to own land ends at the front door and everyone has an identical space” but the countries that ran communist systems ended up abandoning that as unworkable, partly because people like to have kids. *Even most Tories
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Jun 24, 2021 10:50
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:This is from the Australia pages of the Graun. I don’t mean to be melodramatic but there comes a point where I have to ask if there’s any point fighting the inevitability. I don’t mean ‘let it kill me’ but if we’re at the point where you have to wear masks while just outside in open air forever, and it is forever because it’s not going away, then gently caress it, infect me, it’s going to happen anyway. I was totally ok with mask use where ever there’s crowds and for indoors but requiring one when you’re just out and about trying to get some fresh air, because now you can catch it by just passing a person outside, well I can’t help but feel that even with vaccines the nightmare continues.
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Jun 24, 2021 11:06
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Beefeater1980 posted:This isn’t sarcasm, to be clear, it’s just my best guess at why we as a species are so recurrently genocidal when as individuals literally nobody* thinks that genocide is ok. Somebody hasn't read the british opeds during the famines in India I regret to inform you the number of people who can accept or even cheer on a genocide as long as its interpreted as the other people's fault is a lot higher than you imagine Britain is ridden with malthusian thinking which is a short hop to genocide apologia
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Jun 24, 2021 11:08
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Beefeater1980 posted:This isn’t sarcasm, to be clear, it’s just my best guess at why we as a species are so recurrently genocidal when as individuals literally nobody* thinks that genocide is ok. I’m not sure it’s a solvable problem, which I find depressing. *Whether you take it at face value that it was collective punishment for supporting Nazis or one of the more likely geopolitical reasons, that's still explicitly political, it just so happened to take advantage of the fact that the war was so traumatic on an existential level that people were willing to lash out at entire ethnic groups accused of sympathies. Basically everything around the Crimea referendum is dodgy, but so is the assumption that it's some natural extension of Ukraine, and either way it's not something that can be made anything but worse by British gunboats.
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Jun 24, 2021 11:09
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Communist Thoughts posted:Somebody hasn't read the british opeds during the famines in India 
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Jun 24, 2021 11:12
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Didn't putin offer to allow independent Western observers to monitor the referendum but they refused or was that just propaganda
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Jun 24, 2021 11:15
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Guavanaut posted:Basically everything around the Crimea referendum is dodgy, but so is the assumption that it's some natural extension of Ukraine, and either way it's not something that can be made anything but worse by British gunboats. Yes, sort of. Direct annexations with a plebiscite to justify them not having happened in Europe since the end of WW2 was a Big Deal; it was a really important norm and now it has been broken. There is no way to understand that as a good thing. The British gunboats are probably a bit of posturing and a bit of “oh gently caress collective security needs to be a real thing again”. I mean where I live, people get a lot spicier with boats but that’s because there is still a massive spat going on over who owns all the islands in the South China Sea.
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Jun 24, 2021 11:19
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So can anyone confirm what my mum just told me about the delta variant feeling more like a cold or something? I had what felt like a cold yesterday but today I've got an awful headache, feeling nauseous, overheating. I have a pretty strong immune system so colds don't normally hit me this badly.
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Jun 24, 2021 11:20
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Dabir posted:So can anyone confirm what my mum just told me about the delta variant feeling more like a cold or something? I had what felt like a cold yesterday but today I've got an awful headache, feeling nauseous, overheating. I have a pretty strong immune system so colds don't normally hit me this badly. Get a test, don't rely on your mum or this thread to diagnose you
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Jun 24, 2021 11:23
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Maternal flow test.Beefeater1980 posted:people get a lot spicier with boats
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Jun 24, 2021 11:31
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Beefeater1980 posted:The British gunboats are probably a bit of posturing and a bit of “oh gently caress collective security needs to be a real thing again”. I mean where I live, people get a lot spicier with boats but that’s because there is still a massive spat going on over who owns all the islands in the South China Sea. Well get the Milk of Magnesia out then, because HMS Defender is only one of eight ships in the multinational Carrier Strike Group being sent to have a good poke at the freedom-of-navigation beehive that is the South China Sea. 65,000 tons of British sovereign territory sailing from Singapore to the Luzon Strait.
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Jun 24, 2021 11:38
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Failed Imagineer posted:Get a test, don't rely on your mum or this thread to diagnose you I took a lateral flow test yesterday and it came up negative. I have a PCR test sitting in front of me that I'm waiting until I feel a bit less nauseous to take cause right now I'm pretty sure I'd barf all over it immediately. I'd just appreciate knowing what people have heard in general.
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Jun 24, 2021 11:49
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Brand shiny new non-Patreon pod out for you all to enjoy - please enjoy our rapid slide into madness: https://twitter.com/PraxisCast/status/1408011876248784901?s=20
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Jun 24, 2021 11:50
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Regarde Aduck posted:I don’t mean to be melodramatic but there comes a point where I have to ask if there’s any point fighting the inevitability. I don’t mean ‘let it kill me’ but if we’re at the point where you have to wear masks while just outside in open air forever, and it is forever because it’s not going away, then gently caress it, infect me, it’s going to happen anyway. I was totally ok with mask use where ever there’s crowds and for indoors but requiring one when you’re just out and about trying to get some fresh air, because now you can catch it by just passing a person outside, well I can’t help but feel that even with vaccines the nightmare continues. Problem is that it doesn't have to be an inevitability, governments have just done the maths and decided that your life is worth less than the cost of pursuing a strategy of elimination. So good luck out there.
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Jun 24, 2021 11:51
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BalloonFish posted:Well get the Milk of Magnesia out then, because HMS Defender is only one of eight ships in the multinational Carrier Strike Group being sent to have a good poke at the freedom-of-navigation beehive that is the South China Sea. 65,000 tons of British sovereign territory sailing from Singapore to the Luzon Strait. Yes but if anyone out here took exception to that it would get sunk in an instant; the point is to show that America’s allies might get involved if things get shooty so it’s not safe to discount them when tallying up “can China safely invade Taiwan yet” which is The geopolitical issue round these parts. E: I don’t think anyone would take it seriously if the UK were to assert that actually, it’s us, we are the true high king of the malacca straits. Beefeater1980 fucked around with this message at 12:03 on Jun 24, 2021 |
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Jun 24, 2021 11:56
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Dabir posted:So can anyone confirm what my mum just told me about the delta variant feeling more like a cold or something? I had what felt like a cold yesterday but today I've got an awful headache, feeling nauseous, overheating. I have a pretty strong immune system so colds don't normally hit me this badly. I haven't heard that about the Delta variant specifically, but I have heard it (from the Covid symptom study app people) about young and vaccinated people, ie people with an immune response. Headache is also the most common symptom of all.
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Jun 24, 2021 12:05
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Beefeater1980 posted:Yes but if anyone out here took exception to that it would get sunk in an instant; the point is to show that America’s allies might get involved if things get shooty so it’s not safe to discount them when tallying up “can China safely invade Taiwan yet” which is The geopolitical issue round these parts. Oh I know that - that's the entire purpose of the Carrier Strike Group, and why it has more USMC planes on it than Fleet Air Arm ones this time round. I'm not for a moment suggesting that the CSG is some ploy by the UK to retake Hong Kong and seize control of the Spratlys. Like the show-down off Crimea this is all "we have a right to transit this bit of sea - how far are you willing to inconvenience us while we do so?". Literal showboating. But this is the first time in modern political history that the UK has had a full-size strike carrier to do this sort of thing with, and it's a major milestone in the reshaping of the RN from its Cold War form of primarily being for catching Soviet submarines in the North Atlantic back to a more expeditionary and global force - the reopening of the base at Jufair, the expansion of the depot at Sembawang and the forward-basing of patrol ships East of Suez. This is all about diplomatic and military credibility, and now the UK wants to be seen as having that again in the Indo-Pacific.
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Jun 24, 2021 12:21
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I think we should go even further back and reinstitute prize law for russian ships.
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Jun 24, 2021 12:44
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Invite them on afternoon TV quiz shows like?
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Jun 24, 2021 12:51
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goddamnedtwisto posted:The funny thing is that an actual genuine war probably *would* end up with a lot of glide bombs (well, probably laser-guided ones) being lobbed about. It's much, much easier and cheaper to jam, decoy, or otherwise evade inbound missiles than it is to develop measures to evade such jamming, and the hit rate of state of the art guided anti-ship missiles has been startlingly low pretty much constantly through their lives. In the CMANO Let's Play Small Diameter Bombs (SDBs) were banned after a while as being horribly OP since you could effectively saturate most non-state of the art air defences by lobbing copious of them at the target from far beyond the range of the intended victim.
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Jun 24, 2021 12:58
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Dabir posted:I took a lateral flow test yesterday and it came up negative. I have a PCR test sitting in front of me that I'm waiting until I feel a bit less nauseous to take cause right now I'm pretty sure I'd barf all over it immediately. I'd just appreciate knowing what people have heard in general. I had the delta variant (I assume, it was recently and I live near an Indian area) and it was definitely not just a cold. I’m 35. I had headache and nausea for days leading up to feeling properly ill. But that could have been a hangover! The confirmed covid experience was mainly fever, aches/pain/soreness, tiredness and brain fog. Oh and nausea if I moved around quickly. Lasted about 5 days. Good luck, hope your test is negative.
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Jun 24, 2021 13:06
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Dabir posted:So can anyone confirm what my mum just told me about the delta variant feeling more like a cold or something? I had what felt like a cold yesterday but today I've got an awful headache, feeling nauseous, overheating. I have a pretty strong immune system so colds don't normally hit me this badly.
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Jun 24, 2021 13:16
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:This is from the Australia pages of the Graun. I'm sorry but how on earth could they know that people walking past each other got it there and not, you know, anywhere else? Unless one of them had a coughing fit on the other as they passed? Apparently "Bondi Junction Westfield" is a shopping centre so I can only imagine there would've been a multitude of 'opportunities' to catch the virus.
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Jun 24, 2021 13:20
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Pretty sure I had the rona in early June, after my first jab (mid April). I felt a bit ill, like a really bad cold, but thought nothing of it. Once the congestion cleared, turned out I had lost my sense of smell. I still can’t smell anything which sucks. FWIW my symptoms were headache, fatigue, and a runny nose. What’s weird is that two weeks later I had a fever and intense fatigue, which prompted me to get a test, although I was negative. Maybe if I hadn’t had a single jab, my symptoms would’ve been worse? This time was worse than when I got the rona back in November though.
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Jun 24, 2021 13:25
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Z the IVth posted:In the CMANO Let's Play Small Diameter Bombs (SDBs) were banned after a while as being horribly OP since you could effectively saturate most non-state of the art air defences by lobbing copious of them at the target from far beyond the range of the intended victim. I always love stories of war game/simulations happening across some absurdly effective strat that gets banned because no one can figure out a counter. There was some space battles one back in the day where people would build these lovingly made space battleships with all kinds of bells and whistles, then someone rocked up spending all their points on a horde of tiny guns with engines that eviscerated everything. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002 This was a good one too where the Red side representing Iraq or Iran used some cheesy strats to completely wipe out the Blue side meant to represent the US, so they redid it putting the Red side under constraints to ensure the proper outcome. quote:After the war game was restarted, its participants were forced to follow a script drafted to ensure a Blue Force victory. Among other rules imposed by this script, Red Force was ordered to turn on their anti-aircraft radar in order for them to be destroyed, and was not allowed to shoot down any of the aircraft bringing Blue Force troops ashore.[3] Van Riper also claimed that exercise officials denied him the opportunity to use his own tactics and ideas against Blue Force, and that they also ordered Red Force not to use certain weapons systems against Blue Force and even ordered the location of Red Force units to be revealed.[4]
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Jun 24, 2021 13:42
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Presumably blue force were also allowed to edit rules.ini
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Jun 24, 2021 14:01
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A well-known one:quote:Since 1923, the U.S. Navy had conducted large-scale naval exercises, termed "Fleet Problems," during which U.S. Naval forces would engage in mock battles with a purported European or Asian attacker. Fleet Problem Number 13 was a mock attack by a "militaristic, Asian, island nation against the military base at Pearl Harbor." The exercise was designed to test Pearl's defenses and assess its vulnerability to an attack. (all that said, such foresight has to be weighed against vast investments that are themselves rapidly rendered irrelevant by political or technological happenstance. Sometimes theoretical criticisms of simulated exercises have a point.)
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Jun 24, 2021 14:02
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Shyrka posted:I always love stories of war game/simulations happening across some absurdly effective strat that gets banned because no one can figure out a counter. It was more because it became a one weird trick strat. Have Gripens bomb target with SDBs. Have more Gripens running CAP with Meteors. Have an AWACS up to guide your Meteors from 100s of miles away (the AWACs radar can 'see' much further than the fighters and can be used to designate for the AA missiles). Rinse and repeat until a proper country sends Gen5 stealth fighters after you and everything is slaughtered without even getting sights on your enemy. One of the earliest scenarios had NPC India with 4th Gen Rafales going up against NPC China's 5th Gen fighters (Chinese F-22 essentially). The Indian airforce traded at something ridiculous like 10:1. K:D ratio. And then Goons used outdated aircraft from the 60s to bomb the OP Chinese birds in the airfield while they were refuelling.
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Jun 24, 2021 14:12
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Shyrka posted:I always love stories of war game/simulations happening across some absurdly effective strat that gets banned because no one can figure out a counter. Yeah the red team cheated massively using faster than light motorcycle couriers and fishing boats that could launch missiles bigger than the boat firing them. So it annoys me to see hey the us navy is crap because of this exercise because of course they'll lose to an enemy that doesn't follow the laws of physics.
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Jun 24, 2021 14:15
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Presumably blue force were also allowed to edit rules.ini Tanks firing attack dogs...!
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