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TheKingofSprings posted:This is literally the site that birthed 4chan you dingus I never said I wasn't an idiot.
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Jun 23, 2021 23:27
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I love seeing friends that are nurses posting in Manitobans for Change on a post relating not-getting vaxxed to being a Jew in WW2 and Black people throughout history. Holy gently caress. Time to sever.
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Jun 24, 2021 01:32
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Lmbo we really are giving our all trying to regain our crown as Worst Province.
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Jun 24, 2021 01:52
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It works on a rotation.
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Jun 24, 2021 02:03
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Arcsquad12 posted:It works on a rotation. Its more of a quantum thing, the worst province is whatever we are observing.
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Jun 24, 2021 02:09
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Arcsquad12 posted:It works on a rotation. Ontario -> Alberta -> Manitoba -> repeat from start Occasionally Saskatchewan reminds us they exist by doing something truly awful or dumb but then fade back into the bushes like Homer. Also holy poo poo if I hear one more person cry that I cant bump their vaccine shot up before a bunch of our first shot patients because they have a trip coming up Im going to just walk across the street to the LCBO and finish the rest of my shift crying into a bottle of whisky.
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Jun 24, 2021 02:10
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Vintersorg posted:I love seeing friends that are nurses posting in Manitobans for Change on a post relating not-getting vaxxed to being a Jew in WW2 and Black people throughout history. Holy gently caress. Time to sever. Yeah, definitely sever, genocide denial is a strict no-go. And, make no mistake: that's what that argument is. If you say that not being vaxxed is like being a Jew in Nazi Germany, you are literally a full-blown Holocaust denier, full stop, and you deserve to be treated as one.
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Jun 24, 2021 03:02
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Furnaceface posted:Ontario -> Alberta -> Manitoba -> repeat from start But the nonrefundable tickets were $20 cheaper what would you have me do???
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Jun 24, 2021 03:30
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Hey wow, this is just like the many times indigenous protestors have blocked highways right? The government response doesn't really seem to be the same though...I wonder why.
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Jun 24, 2021 13:43
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Oh God Kieran Moore can actually speak clearly and coherently. It will be so nice when he takes over and Dr. Williams fucks off to cough and grunt his way through speeches somewhere else.
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Jun 24, 2021 15:40
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https://twitter.com/TorontoStar/status/1408083245162536964?s=19 Everything is loving horrible!
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Jun 24, 2021 16:48
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This country is probably full of this. And the pope and his child fuckers are digging their heels in.
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Jun 24, 2021 16:55
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The TRC estimate of 3200 deaths is starting to look obscenely optimistic.
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Jun 24, 2021 16:55
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Vintersorg posted:This country is probably full of this. And the pope and his child fuckers are digging their heels in. We don’t get to shift blame to them. We were the ones going door to door dragging them to these hell holes. Canada is illegitimate
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Jun 24, 2021 16:56
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Noblesse Obliged posted:We don’t get to shift blame to them. We were the ones going door to door dragging them to these hell holes. Plenty of blame to go around here. quote:Delorme said there may have at one point been markers for the graves. He said the Roman Catholic church, which oversaw the cemetery, may have removed markers at some point in the 1960s.
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Jun 24, 2021 17:18
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Jesus loving christ.
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Jun 24, 2021 17:29
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There were 139 residential schools. Many, many more graves to find.
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Jun 24, 2021 17:39
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Jetfire posted:Plenty of blame to go around here. Yes but our political apparatus is going to scapegoat the church in an attempt to do nothing about this. We can’t control Rome. We can try to do something about Ottawa
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Jun 24, 2021 17:47
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No argument there!
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Jun 24, 2021 17:48
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vyelkin posted:The TRC estimate of 3200 deaths is starting to look obscenely optimistic. That was based on recorded deaths. Many of the bodies in those graves will have been recorded, since this is an abandoned graveyard. But likely a good number of them will not. On that topic, I really hope all the people perfomatively wailing about the tragedy of this on twitter and facebook will realize that all this was already known, that if you read the TRC report these discoveries should not comeas a surprise, and that, perhaps most importantly, we still haven't made right with the survivors. Like, it's not all the people who made it out, reporting on the lasting gried and trauma that matters, it's a shock headline about x number of bodies, which people project into the image of a pile of dead children. Maybe I'm just burned out on this sort of public, performative grief from my fellow settlers, but I can help but feel cynical that the framing generating sympathy is the one evoking mass killings and dead children, shocking images that will stay with the public for a little while, before fading out and letting people get back to normal. If you read the testimony of the survivors of residential schools, you shouldn't need these mass grave headlines to feel sad. Hell, I'm not even sure feeling sad is the right response anymore. I'm just so tired of seeing people engage in this cathartic wailing on behald of indigenous people, and then move on with their lives. Especially when these same people are much less sympathetic to the poor Inuit you see in Ottawa. This is not to say that I think the First Nations undertaking this investiagtion are wrong, I just don't trust the reaction to it by the public. I don't think it will change things. And yeah, tons of comments about how this was the Church alone, and not the policy of the imperialist, colonialist state we still exist in, that is still to this day pursuing policies who's explicit goal is to sever indigenous connection to the land to allow for resource exploitation. E: But yes, for gently caress's sake don't celebrate Canada Day. Just enjoy the day off and/or go join a protest.
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Jun 24, 2021 17:49
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I can understand the seemingly performative aspect of it, it's a psychological defence mechanism. The tangible evidence is a higher mental bar to clear, and as soon as they realize it they want to shift blame to not be responsible.
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Jun 24, 2021 17:59
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Honestly I don't see much point in chastising people for being aware of this until recently. Most people aren't going to go and read the TRC report, and the initial reporting on it was overly focused on the controversy over whether it was a genocide or not. Until very recently, all of this stuff was either downplayed or covered up completely when it came to mainstream media or education. People definitely don't deserve any credit or recognition for finally starting to come to terms with this, but hostility about not recognizing it earlier for the average person who was genuinely uninformed or unaware of the scale is pointless at best and an empty exercise in demonstrating moral superiority at worst.
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Jun 24, 2021 18:05
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Awareness of an issue is never a bad thing. I also find social media outrage irritating but it's less about it being "performative" in this case and more about how all outrage on social media regardless of the given issue feels hollow compared to proper activism. It's too easy to like and share images online and say you've done your part compared to what could actually be accomplished by pressuring councilors and MLAs and MPs at their place of work or bucking government efforts altogether and joining a people's movement.
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Jun 24, 2021 18:10
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Noblesse Obliged posted:Yes but our political apparatus is going to scapegoat the church in an attempt to do nothing about this. The Catholic church weaseled it's way out of reparations, and should rightfully be pressured into rectifying that. And I think if the government actually did go after them beyond a few Trudeau quips, it would be a good thing. Eg Cut off diplomatic ties with Holy See until they pay up, with interest. But I don't think anything like that is going to happen, it's just going to be "apology pls" Arcsquad12 posted:Awareness of an issue is never a bad thing. I also find social media outrage irritating but it's less about it being "performative" in this case and more about how all outrage on social media regardless of the given issue feels hollow compared to proper activism. It's too easy to like and share images online and say you've done your part compared to what could actually be accomplished by pressuring councilors and MLAs and MPs at their place of work or bucking government efforts altogether and joining a people's movement. Pressure them to do what, exactly? Give the land back?
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Jun 24, 2021 18:27
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IIRC, the French state seized church property during the revolution and used it to pay off their debts. Let's do that.
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Jun 24, 2021 18:35
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Arcsquad12 posted:Oh God Kieran Moore can actually speak clearly and coherently. It will be so nice when he takes over and Dr. Williams fucks off to cough and grunt his way through speeches somewhere else. He was a really good Public Health Chief for Kingston, I'm hoping he can work in this government without too much interference from the premier's office.
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Jun 24, 2021 18:37
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Starks posted:The Catholic church weaseled it's way out of reparations, and should rightfully be pressured into rectifying that. And I think if the government actually did go after them beyond a few Trudeau quips, it would be a good thing. Eg Cut off diplomatic ties with Holy See until they pay up, with interest. But I don't think anything like that is going to happen, it's just going to be "apology pls" Pay reparations, drop legal challenges, actually take some responsibility instead of playing pass the parcel with the catholic church. I'm more aligned with telling government to gently caress off and laying evidence at their feet rather than hoping they grow a conscience on their own.
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Jun 24, 2021 18:45
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Losing tax free status and payment of all taxes, criminal charges for murder and kidnapping of children. Just a few minor things to start with.
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Jun 24, 2021 20:27
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Starks posted:Pressure them to do what, exactly? Give the land back? clean drinking water would be a nice start
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Jun 24, 2021 21:30
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And dealing more broadly with the youth suicide crisis on reserves and in the north. It's not like Canada has stopped killing kids.
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Jun 24, 2021 21:44
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Muscle Tracer posted:clean drinking water would be a nice start We had a few days of a boil water advisory in Winnipeg and people reacted like we were being carpet-bombed (*) and there were think pieces from "concerned mothers" about "the water isn't crystal clear, I am very very very worried" editorials appearing in the media for months afterwards. (*) and of course people also panic purchased truckloads of bottled water from Costco and re-sold it at mark up
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Jun 24, 2021 22:07
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Furnaceface posted:Ontario -> Alberta -> Manitoba -> repeat from start don't sleep on new brunswick!
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Jun 24, 2021 22:20
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Maritimes erasure continues
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Jun 24, 2021 23:13
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Muscle Tracer posted:clean drinking water would be a nice start Pave the road and truck it in?
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Jun 24, 2021 23:46
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Probably be cheaper to just build treatment facilities on site. I think the main problem is that it's very hard to find workers to operate the plants, and training the locals to do it is impossible because racism or something
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Jun 25, 2021 00:56
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Jesus loving christ. Yeah the more I read, the worse it gets. Canada really took the crimes against Native children to heart...
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Jun 25, 2021 03:25
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Breaking up depressing First Nations chat, here's some news from the Coldwar/Airpower thread related to the Canadian military.Nebakenezzer posted:Defense Watch Watch
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Jun 25, 2021 04:43
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Not catty enough to be Frank Magazine, but too objective to be David Pugliese
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Jun 25, 2021 05:18
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Arcsquad12 posted:Pay reparations, drop legal challenges, actually take some responsibility instead of playing pass the parcel with the catholic church. I actually didn't realize the government was still fighting further reparations after Kamloops. Absolutely insane how the PM can say whatever he wants about how sorry he is for genocide while one of his ministers fights reconciliation in court. https://www.cbc.ca/news/indigenous/reparations-residential-school-1.6050501
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Jun 25, 2021 06:37
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Starks posted:The Catholic church weaseled it's way out of reparations, and should rightfully be pressured into rectifying that. And I think if the government actually did go after them beyond a few Trudeau quips, it would be a good thing. Eg Cut off diplomatic ties with Holy See until they pay up, with interest. But I don't think anything like that is going to happen, it's just going to be "apology pls" I dunno man, maybe they could do the remaining 90% of the calls to action in the TRC for starters. I don't know that there could ever be an end goal, but I'm picturing something like honoring every treaty that was made or reparations for cases where those treaties are unrecoverable at this point. Actually fixing the reservations that we forced them onto. Disbanding the RCMP. Realistically treating them with the respect that a sovereign nation is due. Will any of that happen? It's not looking good.
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Jun 25, 2021 13:16
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