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thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

Nonsense posted:

it was this. they shot it out of the loving sky circumstances mean nothing.

Except the heightened alert that Iran was put on by the US assassinating their top general is a kinda important qualifier

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Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

thatfatkid posted:

Except the heightened alert that Iran was put on by the US assassinating their top general is a kinda important qualifier

their air defense system was on high alert because the Air Force was buzzing them over the gulf that night

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

that cant be right everyone knows that bad countries only buzz us while we innocently stand around minding our own business in not touching you distance right outside their borders

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

Raskolnikov38 posted:

their air defense system was on high alert because the Air Force was buzzing them over the gulf that night

ok they still shot down a civilian plane

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

indigi posted:

ok they still shot down a civilian plane

I think the point is that people were tense and a bundle of nerves and the airliner was shot down by accident

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

indigi posted:

ok they still shot down a civilian plane

let he who is without sin

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

indigi posted:

ok they still shot down a civilian plane

did I say they didn’t

huhwhat
Apr 22, 2010

by sebmojo

crepeface posted:

idk i even understand half the posts.

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/chinese-students-lack-critical-thinking-due-propaganda

quote:

Tao Zhang, a lecturer at Nottingham Trent University, interviewed 16 Chinese students studying for master’s degrees in journalism and media at her university.

While most were unconvinced by the party line in undergraduate-level propaganda, Dr Zhang argues it nonetheless erodes their ability to think independently.

In addition to their own discipline, Chinese undergraduates have to study four compulsory topics: Marxism; Mao Zedong Thought; modern Chinese history; and “moral, legal and civic education”.

The textbooks for these subjects “treat students as passive targets of political-ideological propaganda” and deprive them of the chance to “develop their critical disposition and exercise rational thinking and reasoning”, according to “Why do Chinese postgraduates struggle with critical thinking? – some clues from the higher education curriculum in China”, provisionally accepted by the Journal of Further and Higher Education.

Asked what they understood by critical thinking, one student told Dr Zhang: “It was new to us. We did not hear of it in China and find it very difficult. We have no idea of how to be critical and critical of what."

In the UK, “you need to present evidence and references to support your views and we did not have to do that in China”, they added.


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indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

gradenko_2000 posted:

I think the point is that people were tense and a bundle of nerves and the airliner was shot down by accident

certainly but they should still be on the hook for reparations (as should the US military obviously)

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018


Can you stop posting poo poo like this, and instead have a conversation like a normal human? Tia

e:

Nevermind, don't post ITT.

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

im not reading any of that

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007


doesn’t explain the dog-napper videos all over liveleak.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

fart simpson posted:

i had a kangaroo burger and it tastes 97% the same as a normal burger with beef

my favorite weird thing is deep fried scorpions. they dust em with some spice powder and they’re great

Scorpion is just land shrink right? Where can I try one?

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

indigi posted:

certainly but they should still be on the hook for reparations (as should the US military obviously)

US didn't paid for the life lost in the Iranian airline though. The amount they paid was roughly equal to an used Boeing. So basically they only paid for the hardware damage.

On the recent shutdown incident I had heard Israel was messing with their radar system. I don't know which is more embarrassing to the Perians, admitting their military system was hacked by Israel or admitting they are stupid enough to shoot down their own civilian airliner.

stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 17:42 on Jun 24, 2021

Agrajag
Jan 21, 2006

gat dang thats hot

fart simpson posted:

my wife is from a city beside wuhan and lived in wuhan for many years. she’s not only not heard of this but doesn’t know anyone from that area that eats dog. people there see eating dogs and cats as like, a cantonese thing


lmao so people in wuhan think people in hong kong eat dogs?

Deified Data
Nov 3, 2015


Fun Shoe

lol "the simple Chinese have no concept of critical thinking", absolute nazi poo poo

Deified Data
Nov 3, 2015


Fun Shoe
"the Chinese are absolutely not convinced in the slightest by CPC propaganda, yet it still seeped in and shriveled their brains somehow"

again reactionaries have not been able to offer an explanation for why so many Chinese people seem to trust their government that doesn't rely on a lot of racist assumptions

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

stephenthinkpad posted:

US didn't paid for the life lost in the Iranian airline though. The amount they paid was roughly equal to an used Boeing. So basically they only paid for the hardware damage.

“what the US does” isn’t my standard nor a particularly useful one

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
✔️✔️✔️✔️

Deified Data posted:

"the Chinese are absolutely not convinced in the slightest by CPC propaganda, yet it still seeped in and shriveled their brains somehow"

again reactionaries have not been able to offer an explanation for why so many Chinese people seem to trust their government that doesn't rely on a lot of racist assumptions

You see, brainwashing is when judging a government by how much actual poo poo it can get done over how much performative noise it makes

Agrajag
Jan 21, 2006

gat dang thats hot

Deified Data posted:

"the Chinese are absolutely not convinced in the slightest by CPC propaganda, yet it still seeped in and shriveled their brains somehow"

again reactionaries have not been able to offer an explanation for why so many Chinese people seem to trust their government that doesn't rely on a lot of racist assumptions

murica gud, jyna bad and stupid!

me smart and and not racist!

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

indigi posted:

“what the US does” isn’t my standard nor a particularly useful one

Even if Iran paid reparations for the killed Canadian citizens it wouldn't even come close to making up for the reparations Iran is owed by existing sanctions.

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Even if Iran paid reparations for the killed Canadian citizens it wouldn't even come close to making up for the reparations Iran is owed by existing sanctions.

agreed

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005


this should be bannable

A Jupiter
Apr 25, 2010

Deified Data posted:

"the Chinese are absolutely not convinced in the slightest by CPC propaganda, yet it still seeped in and shriveled their brains somehow"

again reactionaries have not been able to offer an explanation for why so many Chinese people seem to trust their government that doesn't rely on a lot of racist assumptions

Confucianism is a religion, not a race

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

why the gently caress are we still reading coping anglo fabians wailing romantically about cia "workers groups" and workers rights (a bourgeoisie framework) when the PRC is the literal state subject of the entire working class and is the working class politically in the world?

the fabians in the UK are currently being stomped on by the loathsome boring and incompetent piece of poo poo on the planet, Keith Staremore or whatever the gently caress his name is

on what grounds, merit and basis are they providing political advice to the "working class" in china?

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

indigi posted:

certainly but they should still be on the hook for reparations (as should the US military obviously)

Love to buy into neocolonial talking points and ignore the context in which events take place. Iran was reacting to events without the comfort of hindsight while on high alert in response to a blatantly flagrant act of war from the US.

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

thatfatkid posted:

Love to buy into neocolonial talking points and ignore the context in which events take place. Iran was reacting to events without the comfort of hindsight while on high alert in response to a blatantly flagrant act of war from the US.

oh ok we should tell the people who died they could come back alive now it was all a big misunderstanding

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth
Not sure why you insist on wanting to buy into the sabre rattling bullshit arguments of neocolonialists.

The US created the situation which led to the plane being shotdown, they are the ones which should be paying any reparations.

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

thatfatkid posted:

Not sure why you insist on wanting to buy into the sabre rattling bullshit arguments of neocolonialists.

The US created the situation which led to the plane being shotdown, they are the ones which should be paying any reparations.

I don’t know what you’re talking about lol they shot down a civilian plane how is it neocolonialist to believe that’s bad and should have consequences. just because you have a new word of the day calendar doesn’t mean you have to force it in

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth
Just conveniently ignore the US assassinating their top general within the prior 24houra via dronestrike and Irans airspace being violated by US warplanes at the time of the shoot down.

But no you're right, Iran must be punished for yet another act of unprovoked aggression against the west.

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

thatfatkid posted:

Just conveniently ignore the US assassinating their top general within the prior 24houra via dronestrike and Irans airspace being violated by US warplanes at the time of the shootdown

who ignored that? are you schizophrenic?

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thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth
Not my fault you don't like your own argument being taken to its logical conclusion

Hot Karl Marx
Mar 16, 2009

Politburo regulations about social distancing require to downgrade your Karlmarxing to cold, and sorry about the dnc primaries, please enjoy!

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Even if Iran paid reparations for the killed Canadian citizens it wouldn't even come close to making up for the reparations Iran is owed by existing sanctions.

They are using this as justification for more sanctions in Canada

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

thatfatkid posted:

Not my fault you don't like your own argument being taken to its logical conclusion

seek psychiatric help please

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

thatfatkid posted:

Not sure why you insist on wanting to buy into the sabre rattling bullshit arguments of neocolonialists.

The US created the situation which led to the plane being shotdown, they are the ones which should be paying any reparations.

the US caused the situation of the air defense net being switched on but im p sure its the fault of the SAM commander who suddenly saw a single blip appear over downtown tehran, hundreds of miles away from the airspace intrusions, and launched on his own authority

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


Shooting down the aircraft was a tragic accident and posturing about how it needs "consequences" is completely daft

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
This is a pretty good list of american aggression against china under biden, worth reading in full

https://adamtooze.substack.com/p/chartbook-newsletter-23

we're all posters and we focus on the propaganda more because we have to interact with the morons here that swallow it uncritically but they are also getting materially read to continue the second cold war and going full tilt on anti-PRC maximalism.

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

Not So Fast posted:

Shooting down the aircraft was a tragic accident and posturing about how it needs "consequences" is completely daft

This right here

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

indigi posted:

yeah planes get accidentally shot down all the time (???)
theres a difference between accidentally shooting down a civilian airliner down you believe to be a US bomber and intentionally shooting down a civilian airliner you believe to be a civilian airliner

CBC is apparently alleging the latter without evidence

if you cant see why the distinction matters in the news then lmao

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lobster shirt
Jun 14, 2021

also probably worth noting that the plane was shot down right after iran launched a bunch of missiles at us bases in iraq and so everyone was on even higher alert htan normal

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