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Groovelord Neato posted:The thing that blew my mind about the caravan fearmongering before the midterms was nobody seemed to remember they'd tried it months before. I even had a couple of Republicans in my office who had no idea what I was talking about when I asked if they remembered the caravan from that April or whenever it was. It's like they all straight up overwrite the former panic with the new one in their brains. I mean, that's how it works. Fear, hate, fear, hate, fear, hate. The target changes, and the emotions are the same. You tune in to figure out how to channel that fear and hatred each day, and pretty soon you stop thinking about it and just go ahead and accept that this is the thing you must fear and/or hate on this given day. It's incredibly sad. I have family trapped in that cycle of their own volition, and they don't ever bother to question the man on the TV or the man on the internet. They'll tell you they're informed, and then get tripped up by the most basic question poking at what they fear or hate today. Thing is, that doesn't matter to them. That the hatred or fear is based on a false pretense doesn't matter. What does matter is that they need to fear and hate. And you can't reason them out of it because the fear and the hatred is the conclusion that they want, and the justification is placed in in post and is completely irrelevant.
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I do find it interesting that recently, pretty much every Evangelical "pro-family" organization has started really pushing their followers to take over schoolboards, or at least show up and shout at them. Like, the Family Research Council is hosting seminars on how Christians can, and should, take over all local school organizations, lest the liberals corrupt our precious children with transness and CRT. The American Family Association has been playing clips of parents having screaming meltdowns at the mere thought that racism exists in society, and propping those people up as heroes out to save True America. How much of it is just outrage-farming and how much of it is legitimate strategy (because, c'mon, these organizations know they utterly failed at the national and most state levels), I couldn't tell you.
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And the only 'true' military will be the group of that punch each other's shoulders chanting breakfast cereals.
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All this "the military are a bunch of soy boys anyways" rhetoric reeks of "my application was rejected because they saw I had ties to hate groups such as the proud boys and the kkk, how could they"
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greazeball posted:3000 pages of right-wing media and still going strong Mystery Right Wing Theater 3000
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CommieGIR posted:Mystery Right Wing Theater 3000 I would watch three episodes of three guys from the American Midwest making fun of right wing news, and then stop watching because it was to depressing and infuriating.
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I feel like the CRT stuff has a lot more staying power and is going to get much worse compared to other right wing outrages, mostly because there's actual things they can do (and are doing) to achieve their goals. With cancel culture all you can really do is say "I have been silenced!" and maybe claim you'll boycott Twitter or send Jack very mean tweets, the CRT stuff is having right wing parents going to school board meetings and being disruptive and confrontational, and even encouraging people who buy into the "CRT is Marxist brainwashing of our children" running for positions in the school board that they can win and change policies through.
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At its core, the manufactured freakout about CRT is just a new coat of paint on an old strawman that relies on the same old racist red-baiting about 'communist jews are controlling and manipulating black people against the whites.' It's just laundering of the same old racist reactionary poo poo, using fear, prejudice, and ignorance. White racists are also eager for anything that washes their hands of having to face up to the fact that yes, they are in fact, very racist - so these 'totally-not-racist' people have latched onto a conspiracy theory strawman that claims....academic communist jews are trying to conspiring to control blacks against them...yeah. They are definitely doing damage with this, but ironically, they're also getting anti-racists fired up to resist and fight them. There's already big signs of this latest push by them backfiring. If it does peter out, then it will happen if they suffer major defeats from anti-racist groups and legal challenges of poo poo like the 'anti-CRT' bills that are just *comedically* unconstitutional attacks on free speech & academia. We'll see where things stand in a few months though. Also I don't think it's a coincidence that this is happening right around Juneteenth and George Floyd's murderer being convicted. Racists can't let black people even have a moment of elation or justice. Spacedad fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Jun 26, 2021 |
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Oh come on. I mean it’s Florida but that’s harsh, man.
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I live in Idaho, and our lieutenant governor (who attempted the worlds stupidest coup when the governor left the state for 24 hours last month) is heading an "Indoctrination task force", which consists of her, another batshit insane Republican (who publicly outed a sexual assault victim), and various people who have zero education background at all. In the course of two meetings, they're successfully failed to define "critical race theory", but are pretty sure it's "socialism, communism, and Marxism", including such nefarious things as a job description for a position to "promote a culture of equity and inclusion for all students, families, employees and community.” Basically, Idaho is run by sentient right wing talking points.
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azflyboy posted:Basically, Idaho is run by sentient right wing talking points. It's where the LAPD goes to retire so yeah.
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BigglesSWE posted:Oh come on. Conservative drones like tucker never miss an opportunity to weasel out of the idea that we might need infrastructure, oversight, and regulation. Unless it involves cracking down on minorities or going full joe mccarthy against ill-defined conservative red-scare buzzwords, that is. Spacedad fucked around with this message at 07:32 on Jun 26, 2021 |
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Twelve by Pies posted:I feel like the CRT stuff has a lot more staying power and is going to get much worse compared to other right wing outrages, mostly because there's actual things they can do (and are doing) to achieve their goals. With cancel culture all you can really do is say "I have been silenced!" and maybe claim you'll boycott Twitter or send Jack very mean tweets, the CRT stuff is having right wing parents going to school board meetings and being disruptive and confrontational, and even encouraging people who buy into the "CRT is Marxist brainwashing of our children" running for positions in the school board that they can win and change policies through. Nah, it's just the latest thing they're throwing at the wall after Political Correctness // Cancel culture // Woke mob // Culture Marxists // SJW and so on. It doesn't have any intuitive meaning, so it's a terrible talking point. The big difference that I can see is that the other stuff could be misconstrued as a short hand for "freedom" and being able to speak your mind. Openness and being able to speak your mind is very popular. Being censored is not. The Republican response to CRT is to attempt to censor it, we'll see how that goes.
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man, talking about the constant stream of new buzzwords to terrify conservatives reminds me of the old favorite i kind of miss, "alinsky tactics". now there was a scaremongering term! the combination of the term being completely opaque while sounding foreign and jewish enough to suggest deep communist perfidy forces the conservative listener to begin picturing all of the soviet infiltration fantasies that lurks just below the surface of their subconscious before the speaker has even started explained what it is. "crt" is completely artless in comparison
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The GOP's bread and butter is pushing culture war nonsense and playing into their base's anger because their economic policies straight-up don't loving function for the people expected to vote them into power, and as has been noted earlier in the thread Joe Biden is an old white dude and it's just kind of difficult to get the base angry at an old white dude. It's not like he has an outspoken and ambitious wife that can be used to fuel the base's misogyny like Clinton, and he's not black like Obama, so he just doesn't engender the same emotional response that the GOP is used to. Propaganda outlets screaming about how Biden is a socialist isn't moving the needle as much as the GOP would like. So, they have to invent something for people to be angry at. Two months ago it was cancel culture, now it's critical race theory, in another two months it'll be something else.
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VitalSigns posted:McCarthy toppled because he tried to gin up public hatred of the military from nothing in the course of an hour because he was mad his mancrush was getting drafted to Korea. During a time when the military was more beloved by the public than probably any other time in American history. It was cohns mancrush/bf who was drafted, not McCarthy but yeah the base will eat this hit up but the majority of others will be grossed out for various reasons. Anyway have a fun club from a pbs documentary. https://youtu.be/svUyYzzv6VI I like that you can see Roy realize in real time that Joe hosed them. Don’t worry guys. Glenn says tucker doesn’t mean it. https://twitter.com/themattdimitri/status/1408444444274200579 Also the whole thread is full interview is full of fun apologetics to fascist monsters.
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happyhippy posted:And the only 'true' military will be the group of that punch each other's shoulders chanting breakfast cereals. The military to the chuds is the Rambo sequels and Hartman from full metal jacket and maybe the saving private Ryan beach scene.
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STAC Goat posted:Man, Glenn loves Tucker. And trump. https://twitter.com/themattdimitri/status/1408366125021343750 Like libs suck and msn does too but holy gently caress.
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I mean he's not wrong that Tucker probably criticizes Republicans more than various MSNBC people criticize Democrats. David Duke also has a lot of criticisms of the Republican party.
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Casimir Radon posted:My caveat whenever recommending something from The Intercept was that Glenn was a cofounder, and he’s a turd. It’s nice that it’s no longer the case. Same. paternity suitor posted:I mean he's not wrong that Tucker probably criticizes Republicans more than various MSNBC people criticize Democrats. That’s what makes it grosser. Because Glenn is either truly a useful capital I Idiot OR he really likes winking a lot.
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Froghammer posted:Two months ago it was cancel culture, now it's critical race theory, in another two months it'll be something else. Eh, the Thought Slime video on right wingers being mad at CRT was posted almost 9 months ago, that's why I think it has staying power, it hasn't gone away, probably because of right wingers being able to achieve actual progress in fighting it (well, again, what they think it is, anyway). I'd love to be wrong but I think this poo poo is here to stay, it's going to gently caress up our schools, and even if someone tries to take it to court on a first amendment violation, well, look at the composition of SCOTUS, which it would absolutely reach. I am admittedly a pessimist though. STAC Goat posted:Man, Glenn loves Tucker. lovely right wing assholes do tend to love other lovely right wing assholes. loving lol at "I don't think Tucker thinks immigrants are bad" when Tucker has been screaming that immigrants are bad for years, it's not even a dogwhistle or subtext.
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Twelve by Pies posted:Eh, the Thought Slime video on right wingers being mad at CRT was posted almost 9 months ago, that's why I think it has staying power, it hasn't gone away, probably because of right wingers being able to achieve actual progress in fighting it (well, again, what they think it is, anyway). It doesn’t have reach outside the chud base though. Like I use various liberal and conservative moderates in my immediate family as political barometer. And none of them care about this poo poo or think it’s worth the screaming. CRT works for the base because it keeps all the various components of the base happy.
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Twelve by Pies posted:Eh, the Thought Slime video on right wingers being mad at CRT was posted almost 9 months ago, that's why I think it has staying power, it hasn't gone away, probably because of right wingers being able to achieve actual progress in fighting it (well, again, what they think it is, anyway).
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Froghammer posted:CRT does tick all the right boxes as far as engendering anger goes, I'll give you that. Nothing riles up the base more than "they're coming for your children" My theory is that since the optics of the presidency aren't what conservatives have grown accustomed to (a boring centrist white guy in power doesn't inspire the smug validation or abject terror that Trump or Obama inspired, respectfully), they're just pulling out the old tricks and seeing what sticks. Like was mentioned above, it has the potential to gently caress up our institutions, to be sure, but it also limits its reach. A drag queen mentioning that gay people exist on Blue's Clues is going to whip up people who already think that all gays are out for Our Children into a frenzy, sure, but the average person isn't going to notice, or particularly care if they do.
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As someone who teaches history in a state that's passed one of these "anti-CRT" bills, I wish I could be as blasé as a lot of the posters in this thread.
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Yeah, that's the thing that scares me about this one versus the previous panics: actual laws are getting passed, giving them an opportunity to actively weaponize that vagueness. Does anyone know of a good roundup for all the anti-CRT laws? I tried the ACLU's page (lol), and the most recent thing they had was from mid-May.
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After The War posted:Yeah, that's the thing that scares me about this one versus the previous panics: actual laws are getting passed, giving them an opportunity to actively weaponize that vagueness.
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I teach history and government in a state that has not and will not do I cannot fully understand how you feel. But I have told myself that the vagueness may be your saving grace. It is so vague that you could turn around any accusations into banning talk about almost anything.
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Hi, my name is Bill Paxxton. Your anti-CRT pro-CBT Republican candidate for the gubernatorial race in this great state of South Carolina,
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Fighting Trousers posted:As someone who teaches history in a state that's passed one of these "anti-CRT" bills, I wish I could be as blasé as a lot of the posters in this thread. It's a cultural issue, which is the way the GOP likes it because arguing about it until ad infinitum lets them quietly gently caress the working class to death Froghammer fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Jun 26, 2021 |
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Froghammer posted:CRT does tick all the right boxes as far as engendering anger goes, I'll give you that. Nothing riles up the base more than "they're coming for your children" British social climber and phrenology rear end in a top hat Andrew Sullivan also got on board the CRT scare. Or, as he keeps saying, "I was pointing this out years ago, before it was cool!"
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Mercury_Storm posted:Hi, my name is Bill Paxxton. Your anti-CRT pro-CBT Republican candidate for the gubernatorial race in this great state of South Carolina, I've been teaching people about systemic racism, punish me Strong Daddy
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Froghammer posted:I mean, yeah, the upshot of anti-CRT bills is children being taught incorrect or even backwards ideas about how racism functions and continues to function and carrying those ideas into adulthood, which can potentially harm people suffering under systems of institutionalized oppression. Which is potentially very bad. But it's still, like, potential harm ten or twenty years down the line as opposed to, say, trade policy that directly dictates whether or not you can afford to eat. It effects my ability to do my job, so I don't really view it as an "x number of years down the road" issue. I'm fortunate, honestly, in that I teach at the college level, and the response of the colleges and universities here has basically been a recognition of the fact that sooner or later, somebody's going to bring suit because their feelings got bruised, and it'll become a matter of case law. And even the REALLY egregious poo poo like what DeSantis is pulling in Florida probably won't stand up in court. But the real harm of these laws will be the chilling effect they will have of public k-12 education, because as our resident public ed goons can attest, all it takes for school districts to become culture war zones is one or two chuds on the board.
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greazeball posted:3000 pages of right-wing media and still going strong I just remembered rush died again 
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Fighting Trousers posted:It effects my ability to do my job, so I don't really view it as an "x number of years down the road" issue. It's also an issue that's easier to argue against and generates stronger gut emotional reactions than, say, raising the minimum wage, which isn't flashy or sexy but could tangibly and positively improve millions of people's lives right now, so of course the right is focusing harder on it. Froghammer fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Jun 26, 2021 |
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