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Catpetter1981 posted:The temporary housing facilities could be better, and I am glad that Joe Biden's administration is working to make them so. Hopefully these kids will be moved through the temporary housing process and distributed to the right places with speed and compassion. I genuinely thought that D&D was getting a little better when this creep was getting chain probed.
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Nothus posted:That article is pretty loving funny in the hindsight of the Trump admin. It was dumb before that, Bush Jr. went hog wild with the executive, and then suddenly we gotta put the genie back in the bottle when it's time to actually help people?
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https://twitter.com/SeanMcElwee/status/1408820038044426241?s=20 former abolish ice man angry some guys dad donated hella money to trump and the republicans? i dont get it
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swampcow posted:which councils? and how do they perpetuate general strategies into the future? the cabinet, the committees of congress, etc and they don’t have a strategy for future but rather exercise power to maintain the status quo
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swampcow posted:which councils? and how do they perpetuate general strategies into the future? Idk, maybe check out the bills they help write, like the massive transportation bill that privatizes everything possible related to higway's.
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fixing an objective news blurb by attributing motives to two different parties based on my perception of the situation
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fits my needs posted:https://twitter.com/SeanMcElwee/status/1408820038044426241?s=20 the notes outline how they hosed up the donations to only half the desire amounts
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swampcow posted:why do we complain about how dumb and pathetic the dems are when it's pretty obvious that they're controlled opposition? it seems like us politics is just a game within a game. a push here, a poke there and civil unrest is managed or harnessed for the next election cycle. a common thought i see around here is that kabuki theater is done, but we never try to find the ultimate purpose of it all.
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comedyblissoption posted:ＳＴＡＮＤ ＡＬＯＮＥ ＣＯＭＰＬＥＸ hm
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swampcow posted:why do we complain about how dumb and pathetic the dems are when it's pretty obvious that they're controlled opposition? it seems like us politics is just a game within a game. a push here, a poke there and civil unrest is managed or harnessed for the next election cycle. a common thought i see around here is that kabuki theater is done, but we never try to find the ultimate purpose of it all. Listen, Liberal! by Thomas Frank is a good start
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comedyblissoption posted:it's called class warfare they dont have to get together to decide national policy (which they do) but they have like aligned class interests so they can act independently and arrive at similar decisions anyways i don't believe this for a second. you're basically saying that forces centered in america all happened to coordinate well enough to suppress leftist organizations in the past century through essentially emergent behavior. i can accept that in a short-term span but not this long.
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swampcow posted:i don't believe this for a second. you're basically saying that forces centered in america all happened to coordinate well enough to suppress leftist organizations in the past century through essentially emergent behavior. i can accept that in a short-term span but not this long. To begin with, we're not what you'd call "human." Over the past 200 years, a consciousness appeared layer by layer at the crucible of the White House. It's not unlike life started in the oceans four billion years ago. The White House was our primordial soup, a base of evolution. We are formless. We are the very discipline and morality that Americans invoke so often. How can anyone hope to eliminate us? As long as this nation exists, so will we.
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it doesnt take a bilderberg meeting to figure out unions and socialist organization is bad for rich ppl lol an industrial capitalist doesnt have to call up the head of cnn to make sure they are anti-union and anti-socialist and so on and so forth they can all independently decide they need to crush and antagonize unions at every turn by themselves, but of course they organize for this purpose b/c it's just blindingly obvious
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i'm basing what i'm thinking about around a few ideas: - separate domains of power might naturally comingle over time (industry influencing military, for example) - once those players collect a critical mass of influence, they form a system of control across them so far, i don't think what i'm saying is particularly controversial. it happens all the time. dictators control many aspects of a given country. but what so often happens is when the one person dies or whatever, the system of control collapses. what if some power brokers in america eventually figured out how to maintain control across many domains and also came up with a system to perpetuate and maintain control? it seems far more likely than saying emergent behavior just so happened to maintain american dominance for so long.
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swampcow posted:i'm basing what i'm thinking about around a few ideas: I really, really, really, am loathe to do this but watch ghost in the shell seasons 1 and/or 2 because stand alone complex is actually a pretty good analogy
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comedyblissoption posted:it doesnt take a bilderberg meeting to figure out unions and socialist organization is bad for rich ppl lol your example is assuming that everyone just wants to be richer. that's the go-to assumption we all fall back on. its easy to see why. we're steeped in the idea that everyone in power just wants more money. i think that it might be possible that the western control structures are laid atop a chaos of human activity. so maybe localized emergent behavior occurs when different organizations align, but it seems logical to think that a power group would form that perpetuates itself outside of that chaos of human behavior. and it figured out some good plays to turn events in their favor, whatever their goals may be.
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is pepsi ok posted:loving christ i can't take it anymore. we're reaching critical levels of succ these last few pages. https://twitter.com/cactusinsurance/status/1408572736369160195?s=20 "Wow, I'm so happy that poor people do not have healthcare!"
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Some Guy TT posted:
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Doctor Jeep posted:these people are loving CRAZY Funny how many people here argue, "You're wrong because you're old" and not consider that ageism. What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
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hey why not give these people free college then
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Nichael posted:hey why not give these people free college then sorry sweaty, we don't reward failure 
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swampcow posted:your example is assuming that everyone just wants to be richer. that's the go-to assumption we all fall back on. its easy to see why. we're steeped in the idea that everyone in power just wants more money. by the way, i don't want to poo poo on your idea, you're right that that's how individual players would think. we're still people after all. my point is that there's systems within systems. i went to a talk once about the tokamak fusion reactor and the presenter talked about different phenomena at different timescales. so maybe every 100 seconds the magnetic field undulates all together in one cycle, but every 100 nanoseconds the same field experiences a repeatable highly local motion. sort of that idea, but instead of timescales, each phenomena happens at a different layer of organization. so maybe business leaders get together to fight unions, but the labor layer has had enough of ever-worsening living conditions and finally pushes back. again, i'm not saying anything controversial so far. but what if there's an organizational level that's higher than what we think is the top layer? that's the only thing new that i'm considering. and i'm pretty dumb so i know others had considered it. but i know that history seems to be written as if all the big personalities in it have singular control of their domain. wouldn't it be fun to consider if trump was just the equivalent of a middle manager instead of some all-powerful politician who occasionally gets stymied by the forces of society?
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Eggplant Squire posted:Of the players I hate the most in this farce are the people on tv telling me about Joe Biden's empathy. it's loving maddening, he could pardon as many federal prisoners he wants instantaneously, and chooses not to. what empathy?
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swampcow posted:i don't believe this for a second. you're basically saying that forces centered in america all happened to coordinate well enough to suppress leftist organizations in the past century through essentially emergent behavior. i can accept that in a short-term span but not this long. Suppressing leftists is easy when you have the plunder of the entire world to mollify the working class with
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Nichael posted:it's loving maddening, he could pardon as many federal prisoners he wants instantaneously, and chooses not to. what empathy? He has plenty of empathy for rich old white people.
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swampcow posted:i'm basing what i'm thinking about around a few ideas: Read marx dude
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Nichael posted:hey why not give these people free college then But then who will I have to look down on?
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Industrialization and the decreasing power of labor is kinda of well trodden ground, and there are lot of answers out there other than a secret council of elders directing society. It's not people but inevitable inhuman forces wringing humanity for maximum profit.
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Nichael posted:it's loving maddening, he could pardon as many federal prisoners he wants instantaneously, and chooses not to. what empathy? think of all the shareholder value that would be lost for GEO group
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remember when Obama began trying to end private federal prisons in 2016? well anyway. Joe biden is the most progressive candidate in history.
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Shageletic posted:Read marx dude i'll definitely give this a try, but i've been a longtime cspam lurker and i've had enough time to see general ideas expressed over and over. what i seem to see is that people express that there's this general formless imperialist thing that looms over everyone in the west. but it's usually only described by its actions and effects on other things. it's mentioned that class consciousness and revolution must bloom like wildfire across society in order to break the yolk and all that, but what if a different solution exists that can only be arrived at by fully-describing the imperial system? someone said that many or maybe all effects are emergent and i said that maybe a more centralized but indirect form of control is going on. i'll read marx with that in mind, but i'm skeptical that i'll find anything satisfying there, considering i don't see any talk in cspam about it.
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fits my needs posted:https://twitter.com/SeanMcElwee/status/1408820038044426241?s=20 i’m sure the republican donor who had to “X3 MATCH EACH ONE!!!!” was very upset (and actually did not match each one)
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swampcow posted:i'll definitely give this a try, but i've been a longtime cspam lurker and i've had enough time to see general ideas expressed over and over. what i seem to see is that people express that there's this general formless imperialist thing that looms over everyone in the west. but it's usually only described by its actions and effects on other things. This is unrelated, but something I wish I'd see more of here is what can people actually do to affect anything. I'm at a loss, and it's depressing.
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