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Noblesse Obliged posted:I haven’t seen much out of the NDP to suggest they’d do any different on housing than the libs. The Fed NDP plan really seems to be a promise of [bigger number than Liberals] housing units, which is a shame since even though, yes more housing units would help very much, politically I really don't think the public really sees a significant differentiation when one party simply promises the same thing as the other but more. We know though that the Liberals have absolutely no interest in disturbing the status quo, so voting for another government is required for any possibility of change to happen.
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Femtosecond posted:The Fed NDP plan really seems to be a promise of [bigger number than Liberals] housing units, which is a shame since even though, yes more housing units would help very much, politically I really don't think the public really sees a significant differentiation when one party simply promises the same thing as the other but more. I’ll be voting conservative. The NDP are unelectable (so are the Greens) and Trudeau has become everything he said he wasn’t. He probably always was like this but for many of us, Harper had become so beholden to extremists that the Cons weren’t an option. A conservative government still won’t change much of anything, but at least we’d be done with Trudeau for a while. As for housing, it will take some huge external shock to change things. We know what are so-called leaders will do: nothing.
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I'll grant that encouraging accelerationism could also be a catalyst for change, of sorts.
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Jun 27, 2021 21:47
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Mandibular Fiasco posted:I’ll be voting conservative. The NDP are unelectable (so are the Greens) and Trudeau has become everything he said he wasn’t. He probably always was like this but for many of us, Harper had become so beholden to extremists that the Cons weren’t an option. A conservative government still won’t change much of anything, but at least we’d be done with Trudeau for a while. This is idiotic
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Jun 27, 2021 22:02
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I'll be voting conservative. [Unintelligable]
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Jun 27, 2021 22:04
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If you look conservative for any reason your reproductive organs should fall out through your rear end in a top hat
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leftist heap posted:This is idiotic That’s helpful. The first thesis here is that the NDP and Greens can’t be elected in any way that will create change. The NDP in particular have propped up the Liberals and gained what, exactly? The second is that JT has demonstrated he can’t be trusted. He says he is a feminist. Yet he has credible accusations against him suggesting he treats women horribly. He claims to be pro-indigenous, yet when challenged by protesters, he mocks them. And he railroads Jody Wilson-Raybould when she tries to follow the law. He claims to be against racism, yet he seemed to think it appropriate to dress in blackface on multiple occasions. He claims to care about ethical behaviour, yet he’s OK taking free trips from the Aga Khan, giving piles to WE Charity while his Mom and relatives were taking money from them, and seems happy to interfere in a federal prosecution. He claims to care about electoral fairness yet abandons his promise to implement proportional representation no sooner than he gets elected. So if the evidence shows that a) a minority government has been ineffective in checking the Liberals, b) that JT is untrustworthy and unethical, and c) that minority parties can’t or won’t cause the government to fall, why is voting conservative so awful? How else to hold government accountable?
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Tighclops posted:If you look conservative for any reason your reproductive organs should fall out through your rear end in a top hat Why bother. Seriously, I campaigned for Trudeau, knocked doors, donated money, attended rallies. I was so optimistic yet have been colossally disappointed in his absence of anything representing adherence to values. Effectively , we have a two party system. So who am I supposed to vote for when I have profound disagreement with the current government and change is my primary goal?
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Mandibular Fiasco posted:Seriously, I campaigned for Trudeau, knocked doors, donated money, attended rallies. 
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Juul-Whip posted:now you're going to credulously support another right wing party while ignoring the warnings about them from the left. tell us more Right. So the Liberals are effectively a benign dictatorship unaccountable to anyone. Does that seem like a good idea to you? Edit: And what other right wing party is there? I’ve voted Liberal or NDP my entire life. When people like me are frustrated with the inability of these parties to change things for everyone, especially those less fortunate, what am I to do? Telling us that the boogeyman will get us all if I vote to hold power to account is not effective. I’m no huge fan of the Conservatives but they are the only viable option if we are force governments to behave ethically by voting them out to think about what they have done. Mandibular Fiasco fucked around with this message at 22:59 on Jun 27, 2021 |
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Jun 27, 2021 22:54
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Take it to canpol. This thread is where we share home ownership tips and talk mortgage rates.
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I love how the Conservatives are demonstratably worse regarding everything you claim to hate about Trudeau and your solution is to vote for them.
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Mandibular Fiasco posted:Effectively , we have a two party system. That’s a lie told to useful idiots
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McGavin posted:I love how the Conservatives are demonstratably worse regarding everything you claim to hate about Trudeau and your solution is to vote for them. So what’s yours? I’m open to alternatives.
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Jun 27, 2021 23:04
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The NDP are in fact useless. That doesn’t mean voting for them won’t scare the liberals into adopting more leftist policies. If you vote conservative you are not only telling the liberals you hate them, but also that you want them to move further to the right, which is really idiotic.
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I think you’re on to something, if the liberals can’t make anything better, I guess my only option is to vote for the people that will actively make poo poo worse.
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Jun 27, 2021 23:31
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Lmao at someone looking at the landscape we're in and genuinely believing the conservatives will be the ones to "fix" this. Hah. Holy poo poo how loving cucked can you be?
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qhat posted:The NDP are in fact useless. That doesn’t mean voting for them won’t scare the liberals into adopting more leftist policies. If you vote conservative you are not only telling the liberals you hate them, but also that you want them to move further to the right, which is really idiotic. It's this.
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The Conservative housing platform is the exact same as the Liberal platform in that both agree that the most important thing is protecting the wealth of the "Middle Class" (read: established homeowner equity) and the status quo of land use dominated by low rise detached housing for said Middle Class. The only differentiation is that the Conservatives have been talking a lot more about the need for "more supply" but if you think that means a yimby urbanist utopia of more apartment buildings for renters and a compact urban form, you're goddamn out of your mind because it actually means getting rid of environmental protections and paving over farmland to create more detached houses.
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Jun 27, 2021 23:44
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Noblesse Obliged posted:That’s a lie told to useful idiots Mandibular Fiasco posted:Seriously, I campaigned for Trudeau, knocked doors, donated money, attended rallies. I was so optimistic yet have been colossally disappointed in his absence of anything representing adherence to values.
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Liberals gonna ....lib?
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Mandibular Fiasco posted:That’s helpful. pee pee doo doo
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Noblesse Obliged posted:That’s a lie told to useful idiots On a riding-by-riding basis, it's demonstrably true about 98% of the time. Femtosecond posted:The Conservative housing platform is the exact same as the Liberal platform in that both agree that the most important thing is protecting the wealth of the "Middle Class" (read: established homeowner equity) and the status quo of land use dominated by low rise detached housing for said Middle Class. The hilarious part is that the NDP platform would be identical if they suddenly found themselves able to form government, because it would be the same established homeowners who put them there.
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Any more hot takes mr Peabody?
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tagesschau posted:On a riding-by-riding basis, it's demonstrably true about 98% of the time. Because we keep falling for it every time. Ya granted were not going to have some real left wing party take power next election but even 2 or 3 seats gained each election means something
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Noblesse Obliged posted:Because we keep falling for it every time. No, that's actually how it works. The third-place finisher in any riding often has a better chance of winning the lottery than winning the seat. Very few ridings are three-way races.
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Jun 28, 2021 01:12
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Sorry dude I’m not voting for red poo poo or blue poo poo no matter what the idiot goons say Had this same argument last election with a bunch of idiots who voted Trudeau because they were scared of the milk sucker on team blue. Like we’d even notice the difference if he had won
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Jun 28, 2021 01:22
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Noblesse Obliged posted:Sorry dude I’m not voting for red poo poo or blue poo poo no matter what the idiot goons say There's a chance that, depending on your riding, you're voting for someone who might be able to win. But if your preferred candidate is that distant third or lower, you're lying to yourself if you insist that voting for them is equivalent to anything other than not voting. Noblesse Obliged posted:Like we’d even notice the difference if he had won Well, at least you're making it clear that you're just here to shitpost instead of paying attention to reality.
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First past the post is a terrible system, we all get this. If you’re not in a swing riding well you’re hosed, but that is still no excuse to vote for a party that will actually be much worse for you than the current party. Popular vote statistics are published every election which help shine a spotlight on how unbalanced the system is.
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Like honestly you don’t go around wishing things could be better while actually voting for policies that do the exact opposite. By voting NDP your might end up splitting the vote and putting a conservative in power anyway, but people will notice a swing from libs to NDP and it might, might, precipitate a shift left in policies for the liberals.
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tagesschau posted:No, that's actually how it works. The third-place finisher in any riding often has a better chance of winning the lottery than winning the seat. Very few ridings are three-way races. Someone should have told Annamie Paul about this revelation.
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Can someone tell these goons that their stupid little vote is not deciding the goddamn election you loving ego maniacs?
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Please. Let me tell you all about how you're all idiots. I am of superior intellect here. Go suck some dicks. You have all loving stupid opinions. This is my loving opinion. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Ok ok I get it. I was up my own arse with the post.
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If you really want to stick it to Trudeau, you should vote Christian Heritage. Check out their housing policies: a. Reduce foreign purchases of homes, businesses and farmland b. Strengthen the family unit, reduce divorce and the necessity of one couple maintaining two homes c. Make stay-at-home parenting more affordable Well, there you go! I have no idea what C) meana or how it would address housing affordability, but B) is a winner. How's "Shack up to stop housing prices going up" as a slogan?
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eXXon posted:, but B) is a winner. How's "Shack up to stop housing prices going up" as a slogan? Polygamy would reduce housing costs even further.
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tagesschau posted:The hilarious part is that the NDP platform would be identical if they suddenly found themselves able to form government, because it would be the same established homeowners who put them there. YEP. We've seen this with the BC NDP immediate rejection of the idea from the recent housing affordability report of limiting the homeowner tax credit. At the end of the day it's still a political party and adding a big ~$600 tax increase to 60%+ of the population is hilariously bad politics. Similarly other explicit measures against homeowners, 60% of the electorate, are not likely to happen. What we could expect from the NDP that we probably won't get from the Liberals though is some pro-renter measures that could have second order effects of reducing demand for existing homes. This is an indirect way to put a lid on the insane price appreciation we've been seeing without making it look like the government is explicitly doing this.
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Philman posted:Polygamy would reduce housing costs even further. Canadian society turning into a bunch of polycules as the only affordable way to raise a family and own property.
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Mandibular Fiasco posted:Why bother. mila kunis posted:I just assume canadian swing voters are like dogs and sort of do things arbitrarily
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"bubu the foreign buyers tax is racist  "nope quote:Foreign buyers’ tax upheld; not discriminatory: B.C. Court of Appeal
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