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I get the bar being E4 in some combat jobs. Infantry needs team leaders, tanks need tank commanders, and there's no real point in paying a rifleman an E7 salary when you have thousands of new recruits every year. But there's no reason someone in the S1 or the Finance office needs to ever be a leader all the way up to E-9.
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SPC5 and SPC6 make sense in every other MOS besides combat arms. A good mechanic doesn't need to be a leader, they need to be a good mechanic.
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Carteret posted:SPC5 and SPC6 make sense in every other MOS besides combat arms. A good mechanic doesn't need to be a leader, they need to be a good mechanic. And in most MOSs once you get to SNCO there seems to be a steep decline in both.
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I disagree with combat arms exceptions. I knew plenty of dudes who were incredible troopers, but weren't cut out for leadership. Their institutional knowledge and experience can be utilized and is valuable. I knew at least one trooper who was an incredible heavy weapons/anti-armor dude. Great trooper, but dumb as a box of rocks beyond his job. Could be trusted with a task, but would never take real initiative- a smarter version on Lenny from Of Mice and Men. He had no ability to lead, but was an incredible soldier to have- I don't think he should be stuck with becoming a lovely leader who will make everyone miserable, or get the gently caress out.
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Hey so… going AGR and apparently I get 10 days of Permissive tdy to find a house? Does anyone know about this?
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Jun 24, 2021 02:13
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That is accurate.
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bulletsponge13 posted:I disagree with combat arms exceptions. I knew plenty of dudes who were incredible troopers, but weren't cut out for leadership. Their institutional knowledge and experience can be utilized and is valuable. I guess I don't necessarily have a problem with a 16 year SPC rifleman, but it does seem weird.
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Nimmy posted:I guess I don't necessarily have a problem with a 16 year SPC rifleman, but it does seem weird. No way they last that long. Command will ensure that their bones and joints are ground into a fine dust (which they can then snort) long before.
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I was a SP5 for exactly one month. Pinned it on 1 September, then on 1 October, they got rid of all specialist ranks except for E4. Like everything else in the Army, they took a good idea and ruined it. The worst thing about the specialist rank was that it was so random. There was no clear divide between combat arms = NCO, support = specialist. For example, there were SP5s that were tank crewmen while at the same time, at my first duty station assigned to an HHC, my Platoon Sergeant was a SP6 (he was in charge of the BN Aid Station). I think it came down to whatever the position on the Unit Manning Roster was, although I also saw "lateral appointments" - SP5s made into SGTs if they were in a leadership position, etc. I guess if they were going to do it half-assed like that, they were better off scrapping it altogether.
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People realized they could get a higher paygrade without taking a NCO role so of course when there was a totally predictable shortage of NCOs all the senior specialists got totally hosed. This tradition was adopted as permanent and is constantly being improved.
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Cage Kicker posted:People realized they could get a higher paygrade without taking a NCO role so of course when there was a totally predictable shortage of NCOs all the senior specialists got totally hosed. This tradition was adopted as permanent and is constantly being improved. Yes, the army is getting better at screwing people over all the time.
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Had a commander that left his gift from the unit and won't come get it. It's a massive framed thing that contains all the flags of the subordinate units and a brass plate with his name and stuff on it. Cost an arm and a leg too. He was presented with it and when the cleaning crew was preparing the office for the new commander it was just leaned up against the desk. They called him and he said he'd be right back to pick it up. That was months ago and now it's just sitting in a closet. lol.
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Jun 25, 2021 16:39
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lmao amazing power move
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It's like that duffel blog letter from the outgoing commander: "I hate each and every one of you." Pretty sure he just wants to forget that he was ever there.
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He definitely doesn't want to display/store/move that big fuckoff thing It's going to end up in the dumpster behind the motorpool. hilarious.
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spacetoaster posted:Pretty sure he just wants to forget that he was ever there. My army experience summed up in a single sentence, excellent.
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Welp, it's taken months and months. But I have a date for retirement. 25 years. I'd love some goon suggestions for my speech. Something along the lines of: "So long suckers. File your VA disability claims immediately." *flips middle finger out of car window while doing donuts in the parking lot* Also trying to think of a prank that'll get them a long time after I'm gone. Maybe putting random pages that say "gently caress YOU" into the reams of printer paper?
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Jun 27, 2021 01:04
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Reference a made up FM for a bunch of stuff. Then make a fake FM and try to distribute it.
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just make sure whatever you say is short and sweet if there's a microphone. If you're just out loud yelling to a crowd, oh man....
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Jun 27, 2021 01:27
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I remember seeing a CW4's final drill. We had a fire drill before we released for the day and he came out wearing leather biker chaps over his uniform and shrugged at the SGM. It made a better impression than any speech.
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spacetoaster posted:Welp, it's taken months and months. But I have a date for retirement. 25 years. Enjoy your four day! ZONK
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Jun 27, 2021 02:00
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Smoke a doob in front of them and throw deuces
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Jun 27, 2021 04:02
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Say you'll be right back and step out and never come back
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spacetoaster posted:Also trying to think of a prank that'll get them a long time after I'm gone. Maybe putting random pages that say "gently caress YOU" into the reams of printer paper? I assume the environment is an office workspace kind of area? Is there a communal fridge? Bathroom?
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Jun 27, 2021 05:13
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spacetoaster posted:
The good old "dip a herring in furniture varnish and leave it in a ventilation duct"?
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bird food bathtub posted:I assume the environment is an office workspace kind of area? Is there a communal fridge? Bathroom? Yes. Think of an extremely large office building with a central courtyard.
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spacetoaster posted:Yes. Think of an extremely large office building with a central courtyard. oh my.
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maffew buildings posted:Say you'll be right back and step out and never come back One time we were in formation and our PSG put us at attention and then walked off and next thing we knew his car was pulling out of the parking lot. We hated him so much but had to respect the power move.
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maffew buildings posted:Say you'll be right back and step out and never come back This would be hilarious. So I've got to write myself a retirement award. AAM? It's so loving weird. I've been in the Army for my entire adult life. Military school before that. I'm not entirely sure how it's going to feel. Good news, I've gotten my master's in early childhood development and been hired by a school system. So right now it looks like I'll be teaching 2nd grade next year.
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I'd guess the biggest adjustment is going to be in the intelligence level you'll be engaged with day in and out. Second graders are a lot smarter, articulate and motivated than service members.
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Jun 27, 2021 19:17
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Getting Major Payne vibes.
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spacetoaster posted:This would be hilarious. Dude, go big or go home. Legion of Merit and then argue it down to a MSM
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McNally posted:Dude, go big or go home. Legion of Merit and then argue it down to a MSM Make it a DMSM and I concur.
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COA with valor
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Jun 27, 2021 20:40
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$5 gift card to Chili's.
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maffew buildings posted:I'd guess the biggest adjustment is going to be in the intelligence level you'll be engaged with day in and out. Second graders are a lot smarter, articulate and motivated than service members. You know, it'll be nice to go into work and have an intelligent conversation for once. A Bad Poster posted:$5 gift card to Chili's. Agreed. Much more useful than a medal.
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seconding, thirding or whatever for a Distinguished service medal
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Nice and hot piss posted:seconding, thirding or whatever for a Distinguished service medal DMSM is the Defense version of the MSM. You only get those for joint service operations, so they're like the shiny Pokeymans of chest salad. Working in a particularly large office building with a central courtyard gives you an opportunity to score some rare drops.
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I always thought the Antarctic Service Medal with the wintering over device was the rarest medal to get.
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I once saw a dude in the airport with an Army Excellence In Competition Badge on his dress greens.
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