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Kruller posted:I had that same thing with The Monster Squad. I had to turn it off after 5 minutes because people had been called fags or homos multiple times. I just watched (possibly rewatched) this a few days ago. Lots of casual homophobia thrown around. Also, the group of kids took photographs of one of their sisters undressing and they use those photos to blackmail her into helping them.
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I remember having all those same thoughts when I first saw the movie in 2008 and the guy introducing it to us was so self-impressed about the old German Guy being a Holocaust victim as proof of the film's latent depth.
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Jun 27, 2021 18:18
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Cleretic posted:A bit of a struggle point with Fleming's Bond books from what I know is that the 'suave admirable ladies' man' Bond was actually a creation of the movies more than the books; Fleming knew that Bond was supposed to be a terrible person, just in a 'hero the world needs'/'but isn't he still kinda cool and admirable' way. the situation reminds me a bit of robocop, in so far as the main take away younger audiences took from the franchise was 'whoa, look, a cool action hero' and then either let 99% of the commentary go over their heads or they simply looked the other way re: any surrounding negativity in the characterization... and some later iterations simply canonized & commercialized the sanitized version there certainly is a core of heroism in fleming's bond, more in a patriotic, self-sacrificing way tho, where his alcohol and sex addictions are ways of self-medicating so he can continue fighting for queen and country because this life really, truly grinds him down and it's been turning him into a soulless rear end in a top hat for a while now... the difference between him and a band of strung-out ww2 soldiers is that bond drinks martinis instead of contraband hooch, he romances traumatized heiresses in questionable at-best situations instead of traumatized civilians, and he spits on arch criminals' graves with snarky gibes instead of slurring enemy combatants so it seems more dignified and sophisticated when it isn't (this is where opinions differ on fleming, iirc, does bond doing these things in a more debonair manner actually elevate him? or is it just the same poo poo repackaged with a different patina)
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Jun 27, 2021 18:20
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The Let's Read of the Bond books is one of the forum's greatest treasures, https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3861448&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1
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Jun 27, 2021 19:01
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mind the walrus posted:Legally? The Trade Paperbacks are still in print and available through normal online shops like Amazon, running an average of around $15 a piece if you're in the US. I've only read the first one or two volumes of LOEG, but doesn't Mr Hyde rape The Invisible Man to death? This version of The Invisible Man being the one from HG Wells' novel, only he survives and moves to an all-girls school where he's raping the girls when they aren't being caned by the headmistress.
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Jun 27, 2021 21:43
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Sunswipe posted:I've only read the first one or two volumes of LOEG, but doesn't Mr Hyde rape The Invisible Man to death? This version of The Invisible Man being the one from HG Wells' novel, only he survives and moves to an all-girls school where he's raping the girls when they aren't being caned by the headmistress. If I remember rightly the school itself is from some victoriana bondage smut hence the caning headmistress*. Moore loves him some vintage porno. Also the final book features a nameless and legally unidentifiable boy wizard who used to go to an invisible school and fights by graphically pissing lightning from his scabby 'magic wand' onto his enemies. Not wrong about it going hard when it goes. *Edit: Rosa Coote from 'The Convent School' darkwasthenight has a new favorite as of 22:18 on Jun 27, 2021 |
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Jun 27, 2021 22:14
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It’s too bad (“bad”) that we never got any comics about the version of the league with Gulliver and Fanny Hill. I quit reading Moore after Lost Girls, which is basically League of Extraordinary Gentlemen but explicitly pornography and nothing else.
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Jun 27, 2021 22:24
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mllaneza posted:The Let's Read of the Bond books is one of the forum's greatest treasures, Thank you! The short version to the question of Fleming's Bond: James Bond was not just an author insert for Ian Fleming. He's an amalgam of various people and beliefs from people he knew, which does include some of himself. Reading Fleming's personal letters, accounts of him from others, and his travel book Thrilling Cities shows a man very different from James Bond. Among other things, he enjoyed going to Berlin drag clubs and considered it imperative to learn about non-white cultures to better your understanding of the world. The way I see it, Bond was never meant to be a character for others to emulate. He's a lot more complex than any incarnation of the character on film, in some ways even moreso than Daniel Craig's portrayal. He smiles a lot more and has actual friends, but that's because he severely compartmentalizes to shut away any of the trauma of his job as a professional killer. He drinks and smokes as much as he can because he figures he probably won't live to retirement anyway. He becomes a lot less dismissive of women after getting betrayed so hard by Vesper, and Fleming wrote all of his female characters as far stronger than almost any contemporary writer. Remember how Tiffany Case in the Diamonds are Forever movie is a shrieking idiot? In the book, she's a wisecracking gangster who outsmarts both Bond and the villains and at one point carries Bond through the Mojave desert to get help. Vivienne Michel, the protagonist of The Spy Who Loved Me, nearly kills the gangsters trying to rape her and thinks little of Bond later tossing her a gun for her to shoot back during a gunfight. The movies did a lot to gently caress up the perception of Bond with much more stereotypical and expected action hero behavior. All of the questionable consent moments, or Bond randomly charming a girl he just met into bed within minutes of meeting her, are from them (especially Roger Moore). The one time Bond actually tries to make a move on a woman who's not into it in the books (Gala Brand in Moonraker), he gets slapped and she reveals at the end that she was engaged the entire time and never attracted to him, and he was just fooling himself into thinking they had a romantic connection. Dr. No even ends with Honey Ryder domming Bond as the last line.
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Jun 27, 2021 22:40
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The gender politics are better in the books, but the racial politics are much, much worse.
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Jun 27, 2021 22:50
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Sunswipe posted:I've only read the first one or two volumes of LOEG, but doesn't Mr Hyde rape The Invisible Man to death? This version of The Invisible Man being the one from HG Wells' novel, only he survives and moves to an all-girls school where he's raping the girls when they aren't being caned by the headmistress. Other way around. The girls school stuff is when he is introduced, and Hyde does rape him to death (because of what he did to another woman) It's a bit excessive, to be frank.
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Jun 27, 2021 22:58
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Inspector Gesicht posted:The gender politics are better in the books, but the racial politics are much, much worse. drat that is saying something considering how bad the movies can be.
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Jun 27, 2021 23:14
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chitoryu12 posted:Thank you! You're right, when Bond rapes Pussy Galore straight in the books it isn't questionable, it's just straight up monstrous.
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Jun 27, 2021 23:15
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:I quit reading Moore after Lost Girls, which is basically League of Extraordinary Gentlemen but explicitly pornography and nothing else.
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Jun 27, 2021 23:49
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sweet geek swag posted:You're right, when Bond rapes Pussy Galore straight in the books it isn't questionable, it's just straight up monstrous. Good thing that doesn't happen, but I understand reading things is hard.
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Jun 28, 2021 00:45
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mind the walrus posted:I never bothered with Lost Girls because old man porn is well, that. But I did giggle every time I saw this giant and ornate hardcover sitting at a bookstore right next to all the Batman and Spider-Man comics knowing that inside was bland, yet disgustingly well-rendered, smut. It was like an echo of all those years when VHS rental store employees would put hentai next to the latest Disney releases because "it's all cartoons." Visions of my cousin discovering Legend of the Overfiend in the kids section at Blockbuster, taking it to the front counter and making them watch it so they would put it in the correct section. As I recall, the guy humored her and went to the backroom and came back with a thousand yard stare after a few minutes. He then took it to a different section. She later tricked me into watching it too, and I paid it forward by making a friend of mine watch it. I ended up traumatizing him for life--his words-- because unbeknownst to me he had consumed some quantity of drugs before the viewing.
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Jun 28, 2021 01:07
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chitoryu12 posted:Good thing that doesn't happen, but I understand reading things is hard.
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marshmallow creep posted:Visions of my cousin discovering Legend of the Overfiend in the kids section at Blockbuster, taking it to the front counter and making them watch it so they would put it in the correct section. As I recall, the guy humored her and went to the backroom and came back with a thousand yard stare after a few minutes. He then took it to a different section. This poo poo used to hit so much harder before the proliferation of streaming video on the internet. At least I assume so. Do kids still blindlink each other to traumatic porn like goons did in the 00s?
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Jun 28, 2021 01:37
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mind the walrus posted:This poo poo used to hit so much harder before the proliferation of streaming video on the internet. At least I assume so. Do kids still blindlink each other to traumatic porn like goons did in the 00s? Yep, it's been a known issue on TikTok a couple times. Well, not porn - more livestreamed suicides and that kind of thing.
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Jun 28, 2021 01:43
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marshmallow creep posted:Visions of my cousin discovering Legend of the Overfiend in the kids section at Blockbuster, taking it to the front counter and making them watch it so they would put it in the correct section. As I recall, the guy humored her and went to the backroom and came back with a thousand yard stare after a few minutes. He then took it to a different section. The comic book shop in my hometown (RIP) had an anime rental section, with a "top shelf" where the porn lived. One weekend in 2000, we paid for a full week's worth of rental time (a dollar a day) so we could take Legend of the Overfiend back to our college town an hour away, because we had a lengthy project we wanted to work on in the dorm's multipurpose room. The room had big windows so people walking by could see what was going on and decide whether to join. We played hentai on the big TV in the corner and ignored it the whole time. No one bothered us.
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Ellie Trashcakes posted:Weird hill to die on there, friend It's one of my favourite things where people are having some big discussion lasting multiple pages, with well thought out posts outlining their positions and some goon just Kramers into the discussion to go, "No you're all wrong and stupid and dumb" as if suddenly everyone is going to take that incredibly low effort bullshit post as gospel and ignore all the people who put effort into their posts. Goons 
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Jun 28, 2021 04:59
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I mean, say it without enough cutting and wit and a lot of people will believe it, so
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I watched Goldfinger with my sister who never watches Bond movies. Her first reaction when seeing that scene was :"but that's rape".
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Jun 28, 2021 05:54
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It's actually pretty heartening that younger generations will straight up call out a rape like that.
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Jun 28, 2021 07:08
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The book Bond is a shithead and he's meant to be a shithead. It's just that he's a shithead who drives the coolest cars, eats the best food, drinks the best drinks and has the craziest of adventures. So you might confuse the shitheadness to being cool and confident.
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Jun 28, 2021 07:11
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Unfortunately wouldn't be surprised if Fleming played up the racism because that's what the audience at the time loved, similar to more recent Clancy stuff, or the Fu Manchu books he'd likely be familiar with. ed: vvv Good point. I mean more recent as in compared to Fleming's Bond and Fu Manchu. Either works, though. Ghost Leviathan has a new favorite as of 08:09 on Jun 28, 2021 |
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Jun 28, 2021 07:23
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Recent clancy stuff meaning stuff he wrote before he died, or the clancy:tm: brand that's still on videogames and whatnot?
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chitoryu12 posted:Good thing that doesn't happen, but I understand reading things is hard. Yes, I read your excellent high-effort thread that garnered almost universal acclaim from everyone who bothered to read it and don’t remember you mentioning this part either. She has nothing to do with men because she was raped by her uncle at 12, but decides at the very end of the book she’d like to try the D of the guy who saved her life. Is this all objectionable as hell? Sure. I’m not sure a literate person would conclude she’d been ’raped straight’ by any means though.
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RandolphCarter posted:drat that is saying something considering how bad the movies can be. Diamonds Are Forever posted:Bond had a natural affection for coloured people, but he reflected how lucky England was compared with America where you had to live with the colour problem from your schooldays up. He smiled as he remembered something Felix Leiter had said to him on their last assignment together in America. Bond had referred to Mr Big, the famous Harlem criminal, as ‘that damned n****r’. Leiter had picked him up. “Careful now, James,” he had said. “People are so dam’ sensitive about colour around here that you can’t even ask a barman for a jigger of rum. You have to ask for a jegro.” AceOfFlames has a new favorite as of 11:59 on Jun 28, 2021 |
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Jun 28, 2021 11:35
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Groke posted:Are there not in the Tarzan stories at least some black African characters who are depicted as good guys? Maybe in the later ones, and that would actually be really interesting if that was the case, 'cause in the first novel, the African tribe that Tarzan encounters are described in an extremely unpleasantly racist way, but before that their situation is detailed in that they were forced out of their native home in the Congo due to the atrocities of Belgium. That whiplash caught me off guard in the book, and if the later books were better re. Black people maybe it is evidence of better development on his part.
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Samovar posted:Maybe in the later ones, and that would actually be really interesting if that was the case, 'cause in the first novel, the African tribe that Tarzan encounters are described in an extremely unpleasantly racist way, but before that their situation is detailed in that they were forced out of their native home in the Congo due to the atrocities of Belgium. There's plenty of room in the anti-colonialist mindset to nevertheless consider colonised people as lesser/savage/etc. A "don't let's be beastly to the beastly people" sort of thing. Heart of Darkness is a classic example - an explicitly anti-colonialist work that is also deeply racist
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A lot of older works are really all over the place in that they indulge in typical racist tropes of the era while also giving humanising elements to them, and this can be found even in stuff that's actively trying to be anti-racist. Not sure if it's the movie or book of Live And Let Die that has Mr Big be pointed out as an example of a great black criminal, alongside the scientists, doctors and scholars that 'the black race' is apparently now producing.
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Fish of hemp posted:The book Bond is a shithead and he's meant to be a shithead.  See also: Rick Sanchez.
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That Italian Guy posted:At a certain point, when your character that acts as an rear end in a top hat is always right and, especially, is always cool, there may be a problem with the message Pretty sure that "Toxic rear end in a top hat with little to no redeeming qualities but gets idolized by other toxic assholes because they drive a cool car" is it's own genre at this point. Bond, Rick, Tyler Durden, Dr. House, and countless others I'm sure.
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the_steve posted:Pretty sure that "Toxic rear end in a top hat with little to no redeeming qualities but gets idolized by other toxic assholes because they drive a cool car" is it's own genre at this point. ~in crooning harmony~ Men....
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Ironic that they cast Jeffery Wright as Felix in the Craig Bond movies.
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That Italian Guy posted:At a certain point, when your character that acts as an rear end in a top hat is always right and, especially, is always cool, there may be a problem with the message Latest episode(s) might be kicking back on that given the ending with Rick defeated and humiliated. Though that's been at least once a season thing with Rick.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Latest episode(s) might be kicking back on that given the ending with Rick defeated and humiliated. Though that's been at least once a season thing with Rick. Yeah, don't forget the season 2 ending where you're led to believe he turned himself in because he finally realized how badly he was ruining his family's lives only for the season 3 premiere to reveal that No, it was so he could wreck 2 major multiversal governments in order to get back at Jerry for complaining about how he ruins his family's lives. And convince a bunch of stupid nerds to raise hell over some basic rear end teriyaki sauce.
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Circling back to the Simpsons, a couple of weeks ago I remembered there was a big hoopla about the Simpsons going head to head against the Cosby show. Cosby eventually won that one and the Simpsons went back to Sunday nights, but still, that's how loving old the Simpsons are. I'm not sure any media has aged worse than the Cosby Show.
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Krispy Wafer posted:Circling back to the Simpsons, a couple of weeks ago I remembered there was a big hoopla about the Simpsons going head to head against the Cosby show. Cosby eventually won that one and the Simpsons went back to Sunday nights, but still, that's how loving old the Simpsons are. I don't know what you mean. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBDRwiSZSBg
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:It's actually pretty heartening that younger generations will straight up call out a rape like that. She's infinitely more woke than I can hope to be and, yes, it is pretty heartening.
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