MarcusSA posted:

Maybe I’m an an actor.

BrigadierSensible posted:

This is a Chinese cartoon character. His name is Hui Tai Lang.

This is his wife. She is also a Chinese cartoon character, and her name is Hong Tai Lang.


She often hits him with frying pans when he fails. It is very funny. It is very Chinese. I haven't lived in China for some 3 years now, so I don't know if the show they are on is still airing.

Oh, also the CCP are engaged in genocide in Xinjiang. Have been for quite a while now. Anyone who says otherwise is a fool to themselves and a burden to others.

I hope this post has been of use and/or interest to all concerned.

Redgrendel2001 posted:

Lol. China gonna China.
https://twitter.com/niccijsmith/status/1406241035819253765?s=19

GlassEye-Boy posted:

Lol, US playing vacinne diplomacy, why send it to Taiwan that had few cases when India needs it so much more.

radicaldreamer posted:

So did Dong Jingwei defect to the US or is he still chairing meetings in China?

Epinephrine posted:

Umm, do you know who runs and administers that website? Do you think they might have a vested interest in presenting false or misleading data?

Mans posted:

It's hilarious that you have the guts to dare to ask about the "backing" of a website that clearly shows your cold war V2 propaganda is wrong but then quote Adrian Zen, the German fundamentalist that never step foot in China but totally knows all about the genocide.

Fojar38 posted:

As you've pointed out, there is a very large amount of evidence corroborating the Chinese governments ongoing genocide of the Uigher peoples that has nothing to do with Adrian Zenz. The only reason he ever comes up nowadays is when tankies want to deny the genocide as his other (and irrelevant) beliefs are what they've chosen to latch onto to undermine the evidence. At this point seeing anyone go "but Adrian Zenz" should be a red flag in the same sense that bringing up George Soros out of the blue is.

Fritz the Horse posted:

Yeah, Zenz may be a wacky evangelical Christian but that doesn't really have any bearing on the fact that almost all of his work is drawing from official Chinese government documents. And is corroborated by other sources including lots of eyewitness testimony.

Mans posted:

Hell, they're STILL SHARING BDSM PORN as documented evidence of the genocide:

https://mobile.twitter.com/auighur/status/1272360467479085056

Epinephrine posted:

Did you mean to quote someone else in this thread or to post some other thread?

Mans posted:

Why would I mean to quote this on any other thread? Your main sources of arguments in favor of the alleged genocide is a German nutjob and the United States foreign secretary, so it's incredibly brave to, and I quote, try to raise suspicious on "who runs and administers that website" simply for contradicting your narrative or if "they might have a vested interest in presenting false or misleading data" when, I repeat, the main sources of propaganda dissemination about the supposed genocide are literally posting BDSM porn as proof of the genocide.

There's a clear and intentional misinformation campaign going on while the United States tries to desperately conjure a new cold war due to seeing their relevancy quickly fading from the international world. You can believe it and the comically untrustworthy sources all you want, but I'd rather not applaud and drag myself into yet another war justification zeitgueist.

Where's the Iraqi weapons of mass destruction? Where's the bodies of the babies that were ripped out of incubators in Kuwait? Where in Afghanistan did we find Bin Laden? How can 60% of the Uighur population be detained (or KILLED!) and yet there's no internal resistance, the cities in the region are thriving and open to literally any western to visit at any time and not a single Muslim country has actually condemned it?


Will the number rise to eight million today? Nine million tomorrow? Tune in to the $300 million trust fund built explicitly to finance propaganda against China to find out!

https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinio...Di1XiSpKv8nUiuc

Mans posted:

the cities in the region are thriving and open to literally any western to visit at any time and not a single Muslim country has actually condemned it?

Mans posted:

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Your main sources of arguments in favor of the alleged genocide is a German nutjob and the United States foreign secretary

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There's a clear and intentional misinformation campaign going on while the United States tries to desperately conjure a new cold war due to seeing their relevancy quickly fading from the international world.

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Where's the Iraqi weapons of mass destruction? Where's the bodies of the babies that were ripped out of incubators in Kuwait? Where in Afghanistan did we find Bin Laden?

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How can 60% of the Uighur population be detained (or KILLED!) and yet there's no internal resistance, the cities in the region are thriving and open to literally any western to visit at any time and not a single Muslim country has actually condemned it?

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Will the number rise to eight million today? Nine million tomorrow? Tune in to the $300 million trust fund built explicitly to finance propaganda against China to find out!

Epinephrine posted:

Also, what is cold war V2 propaganda, is poster trying to say that the German rocket program was a lie made up by the allies or something?

tigersklaw posted:

Why is it incredibly difficult for certain people in this thread to hold two ideas in their head at the same time? “The US is lovely and has done/is doing/will almost certainly continue to do awful things” and “China is lovely and has done/is doing/will almost certainly continue to do awful things” are not two contrarian opinions. You can believe both! One does not negate the other!

Mans posted:

Where's the Iraqi weapons of mass destruction? Where's the bodies of the babies that were ripped out of incubators in Kuwait? Where in Afghanistan did we find Bin Laden?

Raenir Salazar posted:

but people have already spoken to the fact that much of the region is off limits to visitors and that obviously China is going to provide well polished Potemkin villages for the benefit of outsiders.

fart simpson posted:

do you have any more info on this? before covid i was planning to visit xinjiang and would still like to go at some point, but i can’t really find any info on this other than the karakorum highway sometimes needing a permit

Raenir Salazar posted:

I actually kinda think it may be interesting to get into the weeds as to just how flawed Mans genocide denial argument is.

1. Repeatedly ignoring the evidence and selectively overemphasizing evidence they can most easily attack.

There have been plenty of collaborated sources in this thread among others collaborating whats happening in Xianjiang, I'm not sure why you think the US Foreign Secretary (or did you mean Secretary of State?) is a bad source but they're usually picked because they are a credible face to present to the international community and possess much expertese on the diplomatic and geopolitical happenings around the world.

Regardless even with the most surface level internet search I can find plenty of sources, such as the BBC and Al Jazeera that collaborate these reports. Yes they refer to Blinken but the main new body of evidence is the report.

Leftist Youtube Vaush actually did a good deal of research to confirm the fact that there's a lot of collaborating evidence. Research stream

You keep repeating and attacking Adrien Zens or the US but the fact is there's loads more evidence then that and most people that I can see in this thread aren't remotely relying on it even if they mention it at all. But you keep repeating it as if it was all people had which isn't true and is deeply disingenuous.

2.

Appeal to Conspiracy & Appeal to motive:

You're adopting a siege mentality almost word for word from Umberto Eco; the US is behind the evidence for what China is doing, and they're doing it to "conjure a new cold war" which of course has to ignore that China is invading its neighbours thus causing many nations in Asia to ally with the United States for mutual defence.

And even if we pretend for a moment that I think the US containing Chinese aggression in the SCS is morally quantifiable as "wrong" It's not the fact remains the US is doing something in response to China doing something bad; that China is a bad international actor is irrefutable, and if the US is "setting up a new cold war" it's doing so at China's invitation.

However most importantly the evidence is coming from the US, the US didn't fabricate the evidence, it didn't set people up to misconstrue any information, there are plenty of international orgs, plus Chinese government documentation, and imagery taken from literally space that all collaborates this information and it isn't the United States that's the origin of this information.

3. The "Media/Science was wrong before" fallacy.

So first, one of these is not like the others. Osama was in Afghanistan during the US invasion, but he escaped. So disregarding that example; you seem to be suggesting that just because the media (I point out, the media reporting on these issues, not necessarily the US) was wrong before or gave credence to exaggerated reports of atrocities; it means all such reports forever more are just automatically wrong should be obviously fallacious to any reasonable observer.

Especially when we consider the wider body of evidence that collaborates what the US is saying. At most one should be healthily skeptical until enough evidence is provided and collaborated to come to a conclusion based on the preponderance of the evidence. And right now that preponderance points to that a genocide by any definition is occurring.

4. "If the holocaust was happening why didn't the Jews resist?"

A totalitarian government like China is easily able to control all facets of a sparsely populated region; but people have already spoken to the fact that much of the region is off limits to visitors and that obviously China is going to provide well polished Potemkin villages for the benefit of outsiders.

5. Revisionism.

The timestamps on those tweets suggest that there is a gap of months if not years between reports on the numbers; maybe the numbers aren't accurate but its a bad argument to appeal to this kind of, I wanna say slippery slope? Because obviously the number of people arrested or put into the camps/gulags is going to rise as the program enters into full swing. Just like the number of people killed in every previous past atrocity spiked after the initial period. It takes time to build the camps and arrest and relocate people so of course the numbers will steadily increase and perhaps accelerate as a bunch of camps come online and more security forces are deployed to the region.

The other thing that makes this argument bad is that you seem to be pointing at one specific account citing numbers as a proxy to doubt all numbers being relayed to the wider public; the BBC suggests its 1 million people. But I don't think it matters if its 1 million or 10 million or 10,000 wrong is wrong. In short you're making a sort of guilt by association fallacy argument to suggest that because this one account might be inflating the numbers, all accounts are in doubt? Please.

Megillah Gorilla posted:

So this is why all the pro-genocide crypto-fascists have been turning up in the GBS thread.

They've been getting their loving asses handed to them in this one.

Terminal autist posted:

I sure hope you don't think a dude linking a loving Vaush video, the pewdiepie of "socialists" on youtube, is owning anyone. I believe it was the QCS drama that signal boosted thats we have a bunch of psycho racists really concerned about the Chinese question and "yellow hitler"

Terminal autist posted:

I sure hope you don't think a dude linking a loving Vaush video, the pewdiepie of "socialists" on youtube, is owning anyone. I believe it was the QCS drama that signal boosted thats we have a bunch of psycho racists really concerned about the Chinese question and "yellow hitler"

Raenir Salazar posted:

Leftist Youtube Vaush actually did a good deal of research to confirm the fact that there's a lot of collaborating evidence. Research stream

Terminal autist posted:

I sure hope you don't think a dude linking a loving Vaush video, the pewdiepie of "socialists" on youtube, is owning anyone. I believe it was the QCS drama that signal boosted thats we have a bunch of psycho racists really concerned about the Chinese question and "yellow hitler"

Terminal autist posted:

Android Blues posted:

What do you actually mean by "the pewdiepie of socialists"? Like, I have no clue who Vaush is, so it would be helpful if you had a specific criticism rather than a vague assertion that just sort of implies he's generically bad. Is there something about him that makes him less credible?

Terminal autist posted:

I sure hope you don't think a dude linking a loving Vaush video, the pewdiepie of "socialists" on youtube, is owning anyone. I believe it was the QCS drama that signal boosted thats we have a bunch of psycho racists really concerned about the Chinese question and "yellow hitler"

Terminal autist posted:

I believe it was the QCS drama that signal boosted thats we have a bunch of psycho racists really concerned about the Chinese question and "yellow hitler"

Terminal autist posted:

I sure hope you don't think a dude linking a loving Vaush video, the pewdiepie of "socialists" on youtube, is owning anyone. I believe it was the QCS drama that signal boosted thats we have a bunch of psycho racists really concerned about the Chinese question and "yellow hitler"

Terminal autist posted:

I sure hope you don't think a dude linking a loving Vaush video, the pewdiepie of "socialists" on youtube, is owning anyone. I believe it was the QCS drama that signal boosted thats we have a bunch of psycho racists really concerned about the Chinese question and "yellow hitler"