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i mean a solid like half the reason I'm a Marxist is overexposure to propaganda as a kid lol. there's only so much 'trust us we're right lol' you can take as a poor kid before you just automatically assume everything they say is the reverse
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Jun 28, 2021 08:43
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Jun 28, 2021 10:11
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gradenko_2000 posted:
lmao this guy slaps, he belongs here 
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Jun 28, 2021 10:15
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mila kunis posted:sussed i feel compelled to correct this bit of propaganda directed at kids and say that, people producing things having their things taken from them by other people is what capitalism is based on aaaaaa its an "Oh, word???" thing to say but its wigging me out too much
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Jun 28, 2021 10:20
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https://twitter.com/RodericDay/status/1369817444865486857 lmfao that punchline
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Jun 28, 2021 10:27
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Truga posted:https://twitter.com/RodericDay/status/1369817444865486857 lol
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Jun 28, 2021 11:20
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I just read this book https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/9571159-lenin It was really good to me since it was short, too the point and based on documents Does anyone have an idea on a follow up
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Jun 28, 2021 14:09
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Raskolnikov38 posted:i post regularly in at least 9 different cspam threads and the only name here i recongize/know is cumshitter I loved the post in the feedback thread that if you don't recognize chat thread posters then you don't post in cspam lol.
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Jun 28, 2021 14:31
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really queer Christmas posted:I loved the post in the feedback thread that if you don't recognize chat thread posters then you don't post in cspam lol. It filled with me a burning rage lol. I didn't even know cumshitter posted in cspam anymore because I haven't seen them post in 5 years but I'm Not A Real CSPAMer. I only recognize them because they used to post like 20 times in literally every New GBS thread.
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Jun 28, 2021 14:52
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 lol it's still going
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Jun 28, 2021 14:55
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gradenko_2000 posted:[Stalin-defenders turned Uighur-genocide-deniers]-SPAM What happened to A-SPAM and B-SPAM anyway?
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Jun 28, 2021 15:10
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Raskolnikov38 posted:i post regularly in at least 9 different cspam threads and the only name here i recongize/know is cumshitter lol same i suppose the chat thread must now be tolerated then. we must recorgnize that professional park bench warmers are a commune as well, with imporntant views to be respected. but perhaps moderated by someone other than any resident psyc- lets make cumshitter the ik of the chat thread
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Jun 28, 2021 15:32
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I found a Trot meme group   m        
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Jun 28, 2021 15:39
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yr new gurlfrand! posted:lmao this guy slaps, he belongs here this guy rules
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Jun 28, 2021 15:54
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gradenko_2000 posted:
https://twitter.com/ColdEmpanadas/status/1409302551309205515
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Jun 28, 2021 16:13
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lol
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Jun 28, 2021 16:14
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Jun 28, 2021 16:16
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i enjoyed this big brain take https://mobile.twitter.com/__KugelBlitz__/status/1409437261108858881
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Jun 28, 2021 16:17
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fart simpson posted:i enjoyed this big brain take Powerful I feel a little dizzy
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Jun 28, 2021 16:18
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he has blitz in his username
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Jun 28, 2021 16:18
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lol my man made it to the big leagues https://www.foxnews.com/us/professor-praises-stalin-great-leaders-20th-century
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Jun 28, 2021 16:20
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mawarannahr posted:I found a Trot meme group 
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Jun 28, 2021 16:22
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fart simpson posted:i enjoyed this big brain take this guy definitely knows it was a necessary evil to drop nukes on japan
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Jun 28, 2021 16:22
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:lol my man made it to the big leagues quote:In multiple Twitter posts, Bair seemed to suggest that discussions on Stalin, who led the U.S.S.R. between 1924 and 1953, have been lacking in nuance. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
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Jun 28, 2021 16:35
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if you think Stalin was worried about Germany in the late 20s the repressions in Russia throughout the late 20s and 30s have a different context than usually presented also problems the Bolsheviks had the peasants in Russia in general
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Jun 28, 2021 16:45
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we confront another paradoxical outcome. Lenin’s heroic scenario stressed proletarian leadership of a narod that was made up mainly of peasants. The peasants thus play a highly positive role in his scenario. Indeed, pre-war Old Bolshevism was defined by its wager on the revolutionary qualities of the peasantry. Yet less than a decade after his death the regime founded by Lenin ended up by waging war on the peasants and imposing a revolution from above during the collectivization campaign, contributing to a devastating famine. How did this happen? This is the question of questions, and I can only glance at it here. Perhaps the most important point to stress is that it is a question – that is, Stalin’s peasant strategy was not the foreordained outcome of a hostility to peasants innate to Marxism or to Bolshevism. In fact, we can say that Lenin took a dangerous step when he moved beyond Old Bolshevism’s strategy of democratic revolution alongside the whole peasantry. He first overestimated the extent of class differentiation in order to be able to take ‘steps toward socialism’ in Russia itself. He then had to recalibrate and he came up with a strategy of moving toward socialism alongside a majority of the peasantry. The cost of this adjustment was an abiding anxiety, even paranoia, about the subversive influence of the vast ‘petty bourgeois’ sea that surrounded the lonely socialist island. Nevertheless, there is an essential discontinuity between Lenin and Stalin on the peasant question that needs to be stressed, since it is often completely overlooked, even denied. Stalin obviously took over a vision of a socialist countryside from Lenin and indeed from Marxist socialism in general. We may agree or disagree with this vision. But from the point of view both of crimes against humanity and impact on Soviet history, the thing to be explained is not this vision, but the massive use of violence in 1930–34 to impose upon the peasantry a radical change of production methods, and thus of way of life, in a very short space of time. And on the issue of violence used to impose a fundamental change in production relations, the record could not be clearer: Lenin was against it. In word and deed he emphasized that any such use of violence was a bezobrazie, a ridiculous outrage. And he did this most insistently in 1919, at the height of the civil war. Disappointed as he was with the progress of socialist experiments in the countryside, the use of violence in pursuit of this goal was simply not considered. The radical discontinuity between Lenin and Stalin on this cardinal point was perfectly evident to anti-Stalin Bolsheviks in 1932. In an underground document circulated at this time, these Bolsheviks contrast Stalin’s assault on the peasantry to Lenin’s method of persuading the peasants by ‘genuine examples of the genuine advantages of collective farms organized in genuinely voluntary fashion’. They sardonically observe that the two methods resembled each other as much as Japan’s invasion of Manchuria resembled national self-determination. I wonder what Lenin would have thought if he had seen late 20s early 30s Germany arming itself with fascists in power
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Jun 28, 2021 16:51
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fart simpson posted:i enjoyed this big brain take Libertarian weeb degenerate. FMA:B is the best show ever, period. I upload to YouTube sometimes. Ich spreche Deutsch und Englisch. DM for PSN. #FreeHongKong lol
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Jun 28, 2021 16:58
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how do you religiously watch FMA and still not even remotely understand what a fascist war machine is lmao
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Jun 28, 2021 17:05
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so im trying to bite the bullet and sift through that Vaush research stream but so far he's just reading wikipedia, and had to be corrected that Xinjiang is not pronounced "Jin Jang"
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Jun 28, 2021 17:07
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:so im trying to bite the bullet and sift through that Vaush research stream ...why?
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Jun 28, 2021 17:11
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Cpt_Obvious posted:...why? cuz im a dumbass. i already gave up, he was just reading the wiki for the ETIM and going "hmm independence movement sounds good, china should just let them have independance if its so popular", probably due to him being a mental baby
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Jun 28, 2021 17:22
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I hope Vaush picks some neutral sources like Radio Free Asia or Epoch Times.
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Jun 28, 2021 17:24
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its fkn four hours long and he seems to just be learning everything as he's "researching" it in real time. even for dnd dumbasses this is some garbage. reading zenz's actual reports will leave you more informed.
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Jun 28, 2021 17:36
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all that money and he can't buy a JSTOR account?
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Jun 28, 2021 17:37
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it’s kind of shocking how literate the heroes of 100+ years ago were compared to today
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Jun 28, 2021 17:39
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:cuz im a dumbass. i already gave up, he was just reading the wiki for the ETIM and going "hmm independence movement sounds good, china should just let them have independance if its so popular", probably due to him being a mental baby he is truly an intellectual minnow but he has a Radio Voice so people think he's insightful lol
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Jun 28, 2021 17:40
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https://twitter.com/asatarbair/status/1409523449861603329
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Jun 28, 2021 17:41
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euphronius posted:it’s kind of shocking how literate the heroes of 100+ years ago were compared to today I'd blame TV but it's really the content that makes us stupid, not the medium. There could be great shows that espouse Marxist theory but obviously that's not the agenda. Just keep watching Modern Times
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Jun 28, 2021 17:43
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euphronius posted:I wonder what Lenin would have thought if he had seen late 20s early 30s Germany arming itself with fascists in power sure, it’s a speculative take, but Lenin wouldn’t loving suffer it at all imho
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Jun 28, 2021 18:01
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euphronius posted:we confront another paradoxical outcome. Lenin’s heroic scenario stressed proletarian leadership of a narod that was made up mainly of peasants. The peasants thus play a highly positive role in his scenario. Indeed, pre-war Old Bolshevism was defined by its wager on the revolutionary qualities of the peasantry. Yet less than a decade after his death the regime founded by Lenin ended up by waging war on the peasants and imposing a revolution from above during the collectivization campaign, contributing to a devastating famine. How did this happen? This is the question of questions, and I can only glance at it here. Perhaps the most important point to stress is that it is a question – that is, Stalin’s peasant strategy was not the foreordained outcome of a hostility to peasants innate to Marxism or to Bolshevism. In fact, we can say that Lenin took a dangerous step when he moved beyond Old Bolshevism’s strategy of democratic revolution alongside the whole peasantry. He first overestimated the extent of class differentiation in order to be able to take ‘steps toward socialism’ in Russia itself. He then had to recalibrate and he came up with a strategy of moving toward socialism alongside a majority of the peasantry. The cost of this adjustment was an abiding anxiety, even paranoia, about the subversive influence of the vast ‘petty bourgeois’ sea that surrounded the lonely socialist island. Nevertheless, there is an essential discontinuity between Lenin and Stalin on the peasant question that needs to be stressed, since it is often completely overlooked, even denied. Stalin obviously took over a vision of a socialist countryside from Lenin and indeed from Marxist socialism in general. We may agree or disagree with this vision. But from the point of view both of crimes against humanity and impact on Soviet history, the thing to be explained is not this vision, but the massive use of violence in 1930–34 to impose upon the peasantry a radical change of production methods, and thus of way of life, in a very short space of time. And on the issue of violence used to impose a fundamental change in production relations, the record could not be clearer: Lenin was against it. In word and deed he emphasized that any such use of violence was a bezobrazie, a ridiculous outrage. And he did this most insistently in 1919, at the height of the civil war. Disappointed as he was with the progress of socialist experiments in the countryside, the use of violence in pursuit of this goal was simply not considered. The radical discontinuity between Lenin and Stalin on this cardinal point was perfectly evident to anti-Stalin Bolsheviks in 1932. In an underground document circulated at this time, these Bolsheviks contrast Stalin’s assault on the peasantry to Lenin’s method of persuading the peasants by ‘genuine examples of the genuine advantages of collective farms organized in genuinely voluntary fashion’. They sardonically observe that the two methods resembled each other as much as Japan’s invasion of Manchuria resembled national self-determination. the thing is that stalin was dramatically pro peasant compared to people "to his left" (contra trotsky, he believed there were gradations within the peasant class such that many peasants actually were useful to the socialist project, whereas others thought the size and backwardness of the peasantry meant building socialism in russia was pointless and the ussr had to use the last of its strength to try to kickstart revolution elsewhere before it was too late), and he himself released a wide proclamation titled something like "dizzy with success" after the first and most drastic jump in collectivization that basically said things had gone too widely and too quickly and needed to be scaled back and allowed to settle in general i'm very suspicious of the phrasing "revolution from above". how do you impose a revolution from above, exactly, when a revolution only works at all because the masses participate in, support, or at least don't mind it? my understanding is that the initial steps taken went too fast/too far in the sense that they encouraged strata in the peasantry who'd been waiting for it all along to carry out violence that they'd previously thought the soviet government wouldn't approve of, not, like, went to war on the peasantry and won. you can't win a war with the people who feed you
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