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Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS

JordanKai posted:

All jokes aside, I wish the Youtubers making these iceberg explanation videos went into a little bit more depth or would provide more personal commentary. A lot of these videos boil down to the Youtuber rattling off the information they could find about the subject without adding much of their own work to it. Even Nyx's video is guilty of this to some extent.

It's not much of Iceberg Explained video if nothing gets Explained :sigh:

Isn't "explained" primarily SEO fodder at this point? I see loads of videos with "explained" just bolted to the end of the title these days regardless of the actual content.

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Baka-nin
Jan 25, 2015

Yeah basically a big factor for how these videos are formated relies on cliock bait optimisiation, which is why so many videos "explaining" the blindingly obvious, and just tell you the sequence of events as the events are playing out again exist.

Acute Grill
Dec 9, 2011

Chomp

Lotus Aura posted:

Yeah, a lot of the ones in this video just kinda made me go "...wait, is that it?" It didn't help that a lot of them definitely blurred together, even to May herself it seems, when the descriptions could basically just be "it's the same as the last one but with a different name" for like half of them. The actual interesting stuff worth a mention here was after the final tier when she briefly went over some things that didn't even make the list for whatever reason.

It also doesn't help that the bottom tiers are almost all just a bunch of got effect shot compilations, gross-out porn, or things that might not even actually exist and only get their ranking from playground rumours about being totally real snuff film.

I guess that's more on the tier list than the video itself, but it does make for a dull conclusion.

Supersonic Shine
Oct 13, 2012
I like Iceberg memes more than I should and mostly use them to discover new weird and obscure factoids about miscellaneous topics.

Jamie Faith
Jan 13, 2020

New Scott!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJenNSid1_Y&ab_channel=ScottTheWoz

thetoughestbean
Apr 27, 2013

Keep On Shroomin
https://youtu.be/LhVlDDcQd7Q

Man continues to talk about card games. I didn’t know that Fantasy Flight lcgs needed you to buy multiple copies of the core set to have a playset, that’s garbage

Old Swerdlow
Jul 24, 2008

thetoughestbean posted:

https://youtu.be/LhVlDDcQd7Q

Man continues to talk about card games. I didn’t know that Fantasy Flight lcgs needed you to buy multiple copies of the core set to have a playset, that’s garbage

They are finally starting to change and be more friendly about it. They just recently announced a revised core set of Arkham that has enough cards for four players and organization. They are also getting rid of the monthly pack release and moving to two boxes per set, one for player cards and a second for the scenarios. It really sucks to want to buy a new campaign and to be short a pack or two.

It’s also really easy to proxy the cards you are shorted but I totally understand that issue, it’s very consumer unfriendly.

I still think it is a much better system than relying on random chance and artificial scarcity to get the cards you want. But there is definitely room for improvement.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Old Swerdlow posted:

They are finally starting to change and be more friendly about it. They just recently announced a revised core set of Arkham that has enough cards for four players and organization. They are also getting rid of the monthly pack release and moving to two boxes per set, one for player cards and a second for the scenarios. It really sucks to want to buy a new campaign and to be short a pack or two.

It’s also really easy to proxy the cards you are shorted but I totally understand that issue, it’s very consumer unfriendly.

I still think it is a much better system than relying on random chance and artificial scarcity to get the cards you want. But there is definitely room for improvement.

Yeah, in theory I'm sold on LCGs because being able to just buy cards is nice. In reality trying to run down the two OOP packs from the Innsmouth Cycle is maddening so I'm glad they're shifting gears more.

macabresca
Jan 26, 2019

I WANNA HUG
Don't remember if this got posted but Eyepatch Wolf talks talks about his favourite things summer 2021 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvhrGQM4YlI

He mentions i.a. Hazel's video about Elfen Lied, Alex Moukala Music, Shaun's video about Hiroshima and Nagasaki and WoolieVs's Guilty Gear videos and some anime and games (including Disco Elysium!)

He also talks about Kentaro Miura passing away and that there are some people who say they'll never read Berserk now because it won't be finished so there's no point?? What is this insanity :confused:

Nuebot
Feb 18, 2013

The developer of Brigador is a secret chud, don't give him money

macabresca posted:

Don't remember if this got posted but Eyepatch Wolf talks talks about his favourite things summer 2021 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvhrGQM4YlI

He mentions i.a. Hazel's video about Elfen Lied, Alex Moukala Music, Shaun's video about Hiroshima and Nagasaki and WoolieVs's Guilty Gear videos and some anime and games (including Disco Elysium!)

He also talks about Kentaro Miura passing away and that there are some people who say they'll never read Berserk now because it won't be finished so there's no point?? What is this insanity :confused:

It can be argued that never getting a conclusive ending for berserk is potentially better. In the worst case scenario: it can't game of thrones people who've been invested in this for over 20 years. In best case scenarios, it's halted at a point where you could quite literally just have the character stories stop here and it's kind of fine. Or you can imagine whatever ending you, personally, wanted for it and it's just as valid as anyone else's unless they decide to release the notes on how it was supposed to go.

Kunster
Dec 24, 2006

The general consensus is that it's on a place where most leads are at ease with themselves and his editor, the one that kept telling him to stop burning himself, does have a draft of how the story would go, so it's a matter or not of seeing the equivalent of this float somewhere at some point.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FefojKww11U

Fallout is an Absolute Nightmare - This is Why

Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

Another spring commute

Nuebot posted:

It can be argued that never getting a conclusive ending for berserk is potentially better. In the worst case scenario: it can't game of thrones people who've been invested in this for over 20 years. In best case scenarios, it's halted at a point where you could quite literally just have the character stories stop here and it's kind of fine. Or you can imagine whatever ending you, personally, wanted for it and it's just as valid as anyone else's unless they decide to release the notes on how it was supposed to go.

I don't know about "better" than reaching the actual ending, but I agree that buried in the tragedy there was a stroke of good fortune in the series stopping where it did vs some other, more inconclusive point in the narrative. If it had ended with Guts and friends still on the boat I think people would have lost their minds.

Violet_Sky
Dec 5, 2011



Fun Shoe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnq1-UPsUZE

A day in the life of an enslaved cook

Kunster
Dec 24, 2006

Lindsey Ellis decided to relay her experiences to the BBC. I imagine her agent probably went to the local parish and lit every candle hoping that someone like Laura Knuenssburg or Priti Patel would burst into that doc and go "As a visible woman on the media that got the ire of the mob, I"

Jamie Faith
Jan 13, 2020

New Thew!

Cybertron Megatron

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMqB8osSCmA&ab_channel=ThewAdams

This review was fascinating to me because while I had Armada Megatron and Energon Megatron as a kid, I never did get Cybertron Megatron. It was neat to see what I missed. I wish I had one

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Kunster posted:

Lindsey Ellis decided to relay her experiences to the BBC. I imagine her agent probably went to the local parish and lit every candle hoping that someone like Laura Knuenssburg or Priti Patel would burst into that doc and go "As a visible woman on the media that got the ire of the mob, I"

there's no big enough jackoff motion for this poo poo.

"The villain of the day", Christ we've gone so far around the bend that just anyone ever being criticized is them being tarred and feathered by THE INTERNET MOB

bushisms.txt
May 26, 2004

Scroll, then. There are other posts than these.


Kunster posted:

Lindsey Ellis decided to relay her experiences to the BBC. I imagine her agent probably went to the local parish and lit every candle hoping that someone like Laura Knuenssburg or Priti Patel would burst into that doc and go "As a visible woman on the media that got the ire of the mob, I"

Says a lot she's going to the TERFs.

Grondoth
Feb 18, 2011

bushisms.txt posted:

Says a lot she's going to the TERFs.

... what

bushisms.txt
May 26, 2004

Scroll, then. There are other posts than these.



The BBC UK is TERF central right now.

And honestly I don't think cancel culture is a negative thing, especially since it hardly does anything, especially usually compared to what the person is being "targeted" for. Usually the only people truly cancelled are bipoc and victims of the accused.

bushisms.txt fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Jun 28, 2021

Kunster
Dec 24, 2006

While the BBC and like nearly every British press pot is doing that, i don't think I heard anyone on that episode or show doing that case, hence my previous post.

bushisms.txt
May 26, 2004

Scroll, then. There are other posts than these.


Kunster posted:

While the BBC and like nearly every British press pot is doing that, i don't think I heard anyone on that episode or show doing that case, hence my previous post.

Of course this one isn't about TERFs, but it takes a certain person to tackle cancel culture the way they are. Not gonna listen, but even the summary gets the side eye with it's use of "pile on." In Ellis' case it was people bringing up other times she was lovely in response to folks who couldn't believe she could be insensitive with her words. Complex reason is she has a platform and people will "go to bat for her."

BizarroAzrael
Apr 6, 2006

"That must weigh heavily on your soul. Let me purge it for you."
Chef Ian Brutalfoods reviews chips/crisps and is clearly not getting directions from his sponsor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9rhf4doA7k

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Kunster posted:

While the BBC and like nearly every British press pot is doing that, i don't think I heard anyone on that episode or show doing that case, hence my previous post.

I mean it's the exact same concept they use though. Anyone saying 'hey this post loving sucks' is making the person 'the villain of the day', instantly framing it as 'how could you ever even dare to do this to this innocent person' rather than just like...not making 'local internet person gets told her take sucked' into international news.

Yardbomb
Jul 11, 2011

What's with the eh... bretonnian dance, sir?

Breaking out "cancel culture" has almost always been a "NOOOO YOU CAN'T CRITICIZE ME FOR MY ACTIONS" smokescreen.

Man, imagine if Nixon could've pulled that one out for watergate.

Kunster
Dec 24, 2006

She made a two hour video about that where she then explains that people were digging up every issue they had with her, big and small, unwarranted and warranted, fair and unfair. I'm not saying you must watch it before you say anything about it, but that she did address that. Not to mention that she spent way too much bank and latin to go straight into that sort of nonsense.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
I'm gonna level with you Kunster, I'm not going to watch a two hour video to decide if I can think it's insufferable to hear someone use literally international news to complain about being 'the villain' months ago with some people saying she sucked and nothing else happening to her.

Catgirl Al Capone
Dec 15, 2007

I've been cancelled, which is why I am making an appearance on not only media but Britain's state media

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
'I will not be your villain, LeninSlut420 with fifty followers on twitter,' I declare on British state media.

ButterSkeleton
Jan 19, 2020

SIZE=XX-LARGE]PLEASE! PLEASE STOP SAYING THE R WORD. GOD, IF SOMEBODY SAID THE R WORD, I WILL HECKIN LOSE IT. JUST PEE PEE MY JORTS. CAN'T YOU JUST CALL THEM A SMOOTHE BRAINED DOTARD LIKE THE REST OF US NORMAL PEOPLE? DERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

P.S. FREE LARRY YOU FUCKIN COWARDS.
I think we do kinda go a bit far in treating people like Lindsay as inhuman as if she's the rich, though.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

ButterSkeleton posted:

I think we do kinda go a bit far in treating people like Lindsay as inhuman as if she's the rich, though.

who

CmdrKing
Oct 14, 2012

Maybe if I called it 'Interpretive Stabbing'...
Of all the bad looks for a minor celebrity to have, "I went on the BBC to talk about the Dangers of Cancel Culture" is among the baddest that isn't going full mask off.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
So we're at this stage of the thread cycle already, huh.

ButterSkeleton
Jan 19, 2020

SIZE=XX-LARGE]PLEASE! PLEASE STOP SAYING THE R WORD. GOD, IF SOMEBODY SAID THE R WORD, I WILL HECKIN LOSE IT. JUST PEE PEE MY JORTS. CAN'T YOU JUST CALL THEM A SMOOTHE BRAINED DOTARD LIKE THE REST OF US NORMAL PEOPLE? DERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

P.S. FREE LARRY YOU FUCKIN COWARDS.
Talking about cancel culture is interesting stuff though! And i think Lindsay tends to be very through and fair in her assessments about these things.

Booky
Feb 21, 2013

Chill Bug


i really like a lot of ellis' work and stuff, so this isn't something coming from a Hashtag Hater, but :lol: at going on a bbc podcast to talk about twitter

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
who's treating her like she's 'inhuman' and 'rich' though?

Grondoth
Feb 18, 2011
Jesus christ people, a BBC podcast that's literally about what it's like being super online is not "international news" like the reports you see about the political situation in Hong Kong

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer
I've watched Lindsey Ellis' video and fully agree with her, for what's that's worth when such illustrious folks like "sexpig by night" disagree with me

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


That...content creator is inhuman!

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Pachylad
Jul 12, 2017

This is extremely awkward to have to dip my toes into, given that a huge chunk of my distaste with Lindsay the last time was because of Jourdain's concurrent tweet thread about how she and Kyle were mistreated by Lindsay/Todd/Lina and co. ... and it turned out Jourdain at the very lest embellished a LOT of the narrative surrounding it.

I still think the best course of action for Lindsay was to just stop at the Patreon statement. Her die hard fans and haters have not been swayed by the video, and she heavily overestimated the number of fence sitters to the situation, least of all how online the whole drama was.

EDIT: one of my friends' response to that video, pretty much mirrors most of my thoughts on the situation (Feel free to disregard all this and think if the whole video was a waste of time if you want to, though?):

quote:

Feelings are mixed. I do sympathize with Ellis much more than I had before; just seeing the sheer amount of garbage she had to deal with, a lot of it obvious trolling or dogpiling, over the past few weeks put her nuking her account, etc. in context. And how hard it can be to sort legitimate critiques from trolling and bad faith insults when you're absolutely inundated by it. And yeah, it's hard to see the specific tweet in and of itself as overly offensive, but again, it's part of a larger conversation (or a couple of larger conversations) that it can't be dismissed so blithely.

I do think parts of the video were either flippant or overly defensive - the list of sins section in particular. Which is why I'd been leery about watching this video. Unless you were following the Ellis meltdown with a microscope, you likely wouldn't have been familiar with a lot of this stuff, and I don't know if dragging it up helps or hurts her. I did appreciate clarification on stuff like the Mara Wilson exchanges but others were critiques I didn't know about. I'm not overly offended by some of it (being an autistic person I can comment on at least those jokes) but hey, I'm not everyone. And it comes off as unwittingly giving ammunition to critics which negates any good that this video might have done. Doing the "I have Asian friends" bit twice and comparing this all to McCarthyism also left a bad taste in my mouth. I didn't catch the misgendering but that's probably because I'm only dimly aware of the people she's calling out.

Really, Ellis isn't going to be "cancelled." If she hadn't deleted her Twitter, this would have probably blown over in a few days. She has a huge subscriber base and from what I can tell this controversy hasn't made a significant (or indeed any) dent in it. So, as the Armchair PR Guy (TM), I still feel like the best thing to do would have been to say nothing and put out a new video like usual. But that doesn't account for the frustration and mental anguish she obviously went through over this.

Still, I feel like this video was a bad idea. I think a short response - either an apology or acknowledgment - would have been preferable to a feature-length bear your soul kind of response that unwittingly gives ammunition to people inclined to hate her. Because, yeah, this isn't going to win back anyone who "cancelled" her over the original tweets or otherwise view her negatively. It should help those like me who were disappointed with her comments and actions at least see her side of things. But I'm still gonna view her with side-eye for awhile.

Pachylad fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Jun 28, 2021

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