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Son of Thunderbeast posted:Thanks for doing this thread, I think it's been very useful, and despite my misgivings about how the staff have handled CSPAM issues in the past I think this thread is a great show of good faith and a necessary step in the right direction. 
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I like shitposting with leftist characteristics. CSPAM is one of the few places where you can do that in peace. This is why I come back to CSPAM.
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Jun 28, 2021 19:26
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Joementum posted:I don't think there should be a thread detailing drama involving modding/demodding, but there definitely should be a rules thread (with a single post in it, not dozens) that outline the forum rules, including any thread titles we're not allowed to use. There shouldn't be unwritten rules. ya good point. i didnt think of it as like a drama dump. just a way to know about the general on-goings of cspam. but yeah i see what u mean. anyway thanks to the mods for this thread and cspam.
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Jun 28, 2021 19:40
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Maybe not a drama thread, but we could use a sticky for announcements for whenever cspam gains/loses a mod, as well as a list of the IKs and which threads they are in charge of.
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Jun 28, 2021 19:47
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DemoneeHo posted:Maybe not a drama thread, but we could use a sticky for announcements for whenever cspam gains/loses a mod, as well as a list of the IKs and which threads they are in charge of. Anytime a mod is added to a place, they are suppose to make a thread and say as such. I think IKs in CSPAM are told to post in the rules thread? Mods are pretty much in charge of their IKs, so I'm less sure on that one. I do agree there should be a list of IKs and what they are in charge of. (This is coming on the Tech side at some point. You'll be able to hover a star and see what they are a mod of.)
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Jun 28, 2021 19:51
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the trump thread is highly white noise as Trump himself was, and thus chat tends to happen there. its very FYAD but who cares it's a FYAD-lite. just like....dont read it Anyone nominated as a mod should take as few actions as possible. CSPAM has a strong anti-authoritarian streak and whoever gets suckered into taking the job of mod is going to be hated eventually Make D&D a sub forum of CSPAM. free Benghazi, lastgirl and all political prisoners. justice in our time, thank you and good day
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Jun 28, 2021 19:52
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Unoriginal Name posted:the trump thread is highly white noise as Trump himself was, and thus chat tends to happen there. its very FYAD but who cares it's a FYAD-lite. just like....dont read it As I understand it failed CSPAM mod Flavius Aetass crawled from out of that morass than shat everything up in other threads when vested with authority That is the beginning and end of how much i care about the chat threads, which I generally prefer to ignore, as you recommend Just don't let another weirdo like that happen
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Jun 28, 2021 19:55
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Forgive me if this has already been a topic of discussion, as I will not be reading the full thread before posting. My suggestion for CSPAM is to have many fewer moderators, to remove all existing moderators, and to select maybe 1 or 2 new mods with close feedback from the actual posters in the forum. Then, discourage and even punish frivolous reporting and mod action for things like "off topic posting", "trolling", "flaming", and leave enforcement in the hands of the posters themselves. If some name misspeller from a chatting thread posts stupid stuff in a regular thread, then the thread's posters can simply inform him in an impolite way that his contributions are not wanted. And if someone wants to go correctly spell a politician's name in the chatting thread, then those posters can do the same. And nobody is given a probie from somebody yet to be outed as a sex pest. As an example, I submit the Glenn Greenwald thread which does not appear to have its own little mini-mod and yet is successfully able to run out the losers. Then, the 1-2 remaining mods can focus their attention about calls to violence, racists, liberals, etc. and use their buttons, with the approval of the whole forum, to keep such posts and posters away from CSPAM.
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Jun 28, 2021 19:55
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there are a few things I don't like about cspam 1. whatever the gently caress the trump thread became. it's been unreadable for years. your catchphrases suck hell. shut the gently caress up already 2. idiotic "mods are kkkops!" roleplaying and crying. it's an internet forum. shut the gently caress up already 3. terminally scowl-faced nerds desperately trying to force cspam into being lf 2.0 and getting really really angry about it. shut the gently caress up already I like everything else about cspam, don't change it too much, thanks.
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Jun 28, 2021 19:56
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Flavius was not a good mod but moderation standards around death threats and slurs are going to have to be addressed at some point
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Jun 28, 2021 20:00
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I enjoy CSPAM. A thing I think is bad is implying people need (mental) help or asking someone if they're okay. Just call someone an rear end in a top hat imo we're all adults here. Faux concern just makes you a lovely poster and not in a humorous way.
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Jun 28, 2021 20:01
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I'm not one of the people who just instantly despises anybody with any amount of authority but I'd just like it said that I support us still having a full cohort of mods even if most actual day to day stuff is to be thread IKs if for no other reason than CSPAM's viewpoint is not excluded from any discussions that happen in mod spaces
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Jun 28, 2021 20:07
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CSPAM is generally fine, and I'm appreciative that some of the shittiest posters have just run themselves off by virtue of being lovely, butsome plague rats posted:The wretched poofing beefs thing is the same as misspelling trump, or getting your taint ran, or whatever other dumbassed thing is the flavour of the month- it might have been funny once, but losers glom onto it and start posting it all over the place because they don't have any actual ideas, and as soon as you say this poo poo sucks a different bunch of creeps arrive to start posting about lol it's funny you're so mad at this, he's a prophet from dune, you should poof some beefs and other immensely gay poo poo like that and suddenly a good thread has turned into a referendum on the correct amount to revere a guy who lives in a damp garage. Get rid of it, make catchphrases probatable or something, the forum would be a million times better to read and the only people who will get him by this rule should post better or less anyway. that's my feedback I wouldn't call it wretched - it's just the simple idea that forced memes and catchphrases are brutally unfunny, and it's loving bizarre to see some posters circling the wagons around posts that are just absolutely tiresome to read there dont need to be epic clapback posts against those posts or anything, it's just not funny and forcing it in such a lame way should as verboten here as it is in other corners of SA, IMO that being said: quote:- There's a line between "shitposting" and "posting casually, but still being interesting." Personally, I much prefer the latter; spamming catchphrases and played-out jokes (drnald thrunjp lol) isn't very interesting to me. I sympathize with the folks who prefer that even casual posting still go by the ancient SA standard of being "funny, informative, or interesting on any level," but I also think it's tricky for mods to enforce that in a relaxed rules forum, at least in a way that the community at large will agree is fair and consistent. So that strikes me as more a standard that a community needs to coalesce around or agree to disagree on, and some threads will lean more toward more serious tones, and others toward silly poo poo, and the thread IKs can deal with that as they see appropriate. But again, I'm not laying down the law on this, and it may be worth a mod posting a thread to discuss this specifically with the community and go from there. this is the issue I've spent (admittedly not a whole lot, so i might come back later) time mulling about in my head. a chat thread here will, by virtue, be just shitposting and stream of consciousness and pointing/laughing at the GOP and all that poo poo, so I don't think there needs to be heavy modding - quite the opposite as other people have said in this thread. if people want to at least want to try to be funny and fail, should they necessarily be punished? (Guess that depends on how funny the punishment is though, lol) however, I dont think having just a tiny, super small minimum standard of "don't be That Guy trying to force a thing to become A Thing" is a bad thing. gnashing your teeth over it is dumb, yeah, but the absolutely bizarre overreaction to being told that poo poo just isnt funny is incredibly dumb and weird in an off-putting way. I think the other thing that gets old is the loving forum nemesis poo poo and the need some posters have here to go poo poo themselves in another sub, get rightfully chased out, and then show up here to talk about how they in fact brutally OWNED the other posters, but I've seen that happen in other subs so  no idea what you do other than mock the gently caress out of them
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Jun 28, 2021 20:08
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SKULL.GIF posted:there are a few things I don't like about cspam The mods are cops thing is strange. I hated flaveus and am glad he's gone but I always thought that was a strange line. I even saw someone refer to one of his dumb bans as "a bad shoot" which was weird too. I think some folks take this too seriously and maybe are addicted to outrage and this shows up in their posts. The world is a nightmare for a lot of folks so I get it. Everyone needs to vent. Other than that I like cspam and I've learned a lot from these threads.
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Jun 28, 2021 20:08
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Athanatos posted:While a lot of Politics Forums reports are Misc (no action), we have had issues in the past where people refuse to report anything for whatever reason. It lead to things horrible things just sitting in threads for weeks and people going "Why wasn't anything done about this?" Shine posted:I think it would benefit us to do a more crowdsourced approach to picking mods and IKs here, having mods nominated and hased out who overlap several major threads. Thoughts?
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Jun 28, 2021 20:09
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Death Panel Czar posted:If people refuse to report things on a website it's because they don't trust the people responsible for handling the reports. Like I lurk all the time and would never report anything for any reason because mods shoving their dickbeaters into the soup and making everything worse seems to be a monthly occurance. Whereas y'all have this fantastic "ignore" button that ends all bad posting forever and doesn't potentially light QCS on fire or risk getting the posters I like probed because a bored Best Buy floor manager doesn't like their tone. this post is invaluable and incredibly correct
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Jun 28, 2021 20:12
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c-spam is, at best, completely unrecognizable from what it used to be. part of this is because the world is obviously changing and such but huge groups of posters have left or been banned at several different points. the trump thread has mostly become unrecognizable from what it used to be, idk if its for the better or not. honestly my energy levels for posting have gone way, way down (maybe that's for the best) and i mostly can lay it at the feet at how poorly this group has been stewarded and the complete mismanagement from lowtax and the administration. e: this came off a bit more "get off my lawn" and whiny-as-hell than i meant it to be. i guess mostly what i'm saying is that I don't even know what the point of the forum is anymore. there were several different times I thought I "got it" and then a whole bunch of the people got banned or left for good.
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Jun 28, 2021 20:20
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Tiler Kiwi posted:do want to clarify i genuinely don't want to see the chat thread hosed with by mods/admins without the people in it being on board with whatever happens, because its not that big of a deal for me to just not click it, and a bigger deal to the people who post in it, a lot. even if i say mean things about it.
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Jun 28, 2021 20:20
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the beefers thing is really really dumb but for some reason it makes the most pedantic ‘i wanna talk to the forums managers’ poster extra hella mad so it just about evens out
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Jun 28, 2021 20:21
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I like cspam. It's a nice place to post in. 😊
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Jun 28, 2021 20:23
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Schnorkles posted:c-spam is, at best, completely unrecognizable from what it used to be. The Lowtax bans should be reversed and ameliorated to the extent they can be. euphronius has issued a correction as of 20:29 on Jun 28, 2021 |
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Jun 28, 2021 20:23
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if you want more reports u should make it so reporting isn't gated behind platinum or what ever, never had the ability so by this point instead of thinking "I should report this dude for ruining the thread" I just ignore the thread for a bit, neat way to disincentivise people from reporting unless they have plat from the start
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Jun 28, 2021 20:25
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Schnorkles posted:
Whatever comes I think preventing that poo poo from happening again and again would be a good goal to set and the start would be figuring out among the administration how to make sure it doesn't happen again. Everytime something seems to stabilize someone seems to feel the need to put their special sauce into the mixture and fucks it all up again
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Jun 28, 2021 20:26
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ex post facho posted:I like cspam. It's a nice place to post in. 😊
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Jun 28, 2021 20:28
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c-spam at one point was incredibly politically welcoming as long as you were funny or at least a good source of amusement for the group. ffs we nearly made boosted a mod
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Jun 28, 2021 20:28
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euphronius posted:The Lowtax bans should be reversed and ameliorated to the extent they cant be. btw this is legal advice and must be done, cowards
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Jun 28, 2021 20:29
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ex post facho posted:I like cspam. It's a nice place to post in. 😊
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euphronius posted:The Lowtax bans should be reversed and ameliorated to the extent they can be. agreed. but it's been years now and even if bans are undone, trust has been destroyed. many will not come back because they've been treated poorly or their friends were treated poorly. undoing a ban is the least you can do, but it's unlikely to bring anyone back.
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Jun 28, 2021 20:31
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SKULL.GIF posted:there are a few things I don't like about cspam you sound angry. maybe take a break from reading cspam for a while.
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Jun 28, 2021 20:33
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Good Citizen posted:the beefers thing is really really dumb but for some reason it makes the most pedantic ‘i wanna talk to the forums managers’ poster extra hella mad so it just about evens out yea it’s really funny watching people get mad about something so stupid.
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Jun 28, 2021 20:35
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Agean90 posted:if you want more reports u should make it so reporting isn't gated behind platinum or what ever, never had the ability so by this point instead of thinking "I should report this dude for ruining the thread" I just ignore the thread for a bit, neat way to disincentivise people from reporting unless they have plat from the start Is it still gated behind plat? I lost my pms when I got myself banned during the Lowtax thing, but I can still click the report button.
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BgRdMchne posted:Is it still gated behind plat? I lost my pms when I got myself banned during the Lowtax thing, but I can still click the report button. I think they unlinked reports from plat some time ago, yeah. (Plat people might have a higher reports/day limit.)
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Jun 28, 2021 20:40
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euphronius posted:The Lowtax bans should be reversed and ameliorated to the extent they can be.
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BgRdMchne posted:Is it still gated behind plat? I lost my pms when I got myself banned during the Lowtax thing, but I can still click the report button. Might be an issue with the mobile app then, I dont see any report buttons on it
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docbeard posted:I think they unlinked reports from plat some time ago, yeah. (Plat people might have a higher reports/day limit.)
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Good Citizen posted:the beefers thing is really really dumb but for some reason it makes the most pedantic ‘i wanna talk to the forums managers’ poster extra hella mad so it just about evens out it's unironically amazing, that 20+ years after the first post was ever posted on these forums, people still don't understand that the meltdowns over "THAT THING ISN'T FUNNY, STOP KRAMERING INTO EVERY THREAD AND SAYING THAT THING A BLOO BLOO" is 100% the reason that [unfunny thing] is propagating. It's functionally the same as posting 'the democrat party' in d&d
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Jun 28, 2021 20:46
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:If there are more of these outstanding, I'm listening. "People unfairly banned by lowtax" is a group of people spanning twenty years and I certainly have not reviewed all of them. I was referring to a specific incident during the twilight of lowtax. I am sorry I was not more specific. (honestly, I was thinking when I hit post I should have been more specific).
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Schnorkles posted:c-spam at one point was incredibly politically welcoming as long as you were funny or at least a good source of amusement for the group. A considerable amount of the bans were self immolations. Maybe decrease the appeal of melodrama.
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Schnorkles posted:c-spam is, at best, completely unrecognizable from what it used to be. To be fair, this is because your usual haunts are limited. Trump & Bernie being blown away are ofc gonna change the crews. Podcast thread, for example, same as its ever been.
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Homeless Friend posted:To be fair, this is because your usual haunts are limited. Trump & Bernie being blown away are ofc gonna change the crews. Podcast thread, for example, same as its ever been. Yeah, the Climate Change thread is about the same as it was 6 years ago, too. I can understand why most people don't want to hang out in that thread, though.
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