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Booky posted:i really like a lot of ellis' work and stuff, so this isn't something coming from a Hashtag Hater, but  e. sorry for the poo poo snipe lol
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Jun 28, 2021 20:41
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at going on a bbc podcast to talk about twitter
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Oh god, this is funny. Like...internet celebs do know that saying nothing is a valid response, right?
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Jun 28, 2021 20:42
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Saying nothing doesn't get you clicks.
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Jun 28, 2021 20:43
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Jun 28, 2021 20:44
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sexpig by night posted:I'm gonna level with you Kunster, I'm not going to watch a two hour video to decide if I can think it's insufferable to hear someone use literally international news to complain about being 'the villain' months ago with some people saying she sucked and nothing else happening to her. Oh yeah i definitely get that. I ain't saying that people should do that before judging her, was just pointing out that she did address that on her previous work.
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Jun 28, 2021 20:47
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Kunster posted:Oh yeah i definitely get that. I ain't saying that people should do that before judging her, was just pointing out that she did address that on her previous work. Which...you made a 2 hour long video on how cancle culture is bad. How did you think you were gonna look? This is the quality content I come to this thread for. BigRed0427 fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Jun 28, 2021 |
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Jun 28, 2021 20:56
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Pachylad posted:This is extremely awkward to have to dip my toes into, given that a huge chunk of my distaste with Lindsay the last time was because of Jourdain's concurrent tweet thread about how she and Kyle were mistreated by Lindsay/Todd/Lina and co. ... and it turned out Jourdain at the very lest embellished a LOT of the narrative surrounding it. thats kinda my issue. i think lindsy does stupid poo poo and if you gently caress up online, just appologize and keep your head down for a while. but reading that various twitter threads about her. it was weird randos who basicaly dug through every video and tweet no matter how old to find evidence that they are an evil super reactionary. then this lady basicaly lies about everything because issues and is fine tossing her ex friend to the wolves because of weird spite poo poo that She herself created. like hot take, i think lindsay is probably tough to be around because of personality quirks and being too online, i think going on podcast about it is dumb, but i assume she was invited, so whatever. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N5rqF25y9I
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Jun 28, 2021 21:00
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BigRed0427 posted:Oh god, this is funny. BigRed0427 posted:Which...you made a 2 hour long video on how cancle culture is bad. How did you think you were gonna look?
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Jun 28, 2021 21:05
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One detail in the Ellis is Cancelled, Long Live Ellis saga is that she clearly thinks the outrage is in bad faith, in her video she correctly identifies that if you just blow off the haters their power is completely gone and then just... doesn't do that. Some people just wake up and choose If I ever become internet famous I'm going to built a giant trebuchet and throw myself into the sun. Acute Grill fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Jun 28, 2021 |
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Jun 28, 2021 21:07
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This is the kind of brain poisoning that keeps me coming back to these dead gay comedy forums.
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Jun 28, 2021 21:13
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The people who used the whole situation to dig up their ancient beef with Lindsay are idiots and that whole aspect to the debacle was not great. I don't think there's anybody really denying that. However... all of this started because Lindsay just could not take the L when one of her takes was called out as ignorant. She just had to respond with a smarmy clapback in a situation where all she had to do was say "yeah you're right, sorry" or even better: say nothing and just let the person vent. And then even after the whole thing blew up... it was all over in like a week. Lindsay "quit" Twitter for a bit and by the time she was back the entire thing had subsided because it was the lowest level internet outrage that's not able to sustain itself for very long. Which sorry, kinda makes the whole two hour video + a podcast about my horrible online ordeal ring hollow.
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Jun 28, 2021 21:15
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And someone else already mentioned it but I wanna try and go further in. BBC, hell the British Media in general, has been doing the whole "Cancle Culture is bad" song and dance for years now. And a lot of it is cover for British celebrities who have been liberal or left leaning for decades now comming out swinging against trans people. And you, a internet celebrity who has a decent following and consideres themselves a leftist, decided that feeding into that is a GOOD idea? 
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Jun 28, 2021 21:21
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Okay, okay, I'll add those to my cosplay list. Just for you.
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Jun 28, 2021 21:22
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BigRed0427 posted:And someone else already mentioned it but I wanna try and go further in. this is v. unfair they also do it for pedos
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Jun 28, 2021 21:24
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sexpig by night posted:this is v. unfair Isn't that what all media around the world do?
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Jun 28, 2021 21:27
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There is no part the planet not aping the cancel culture discussions as the culture war is global. If something manifests in the US, it will inevitably manifest as a copy-paste on the other side of the Atlantic 1-5 years later. Keep up Americans.
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Jun 28, 2021 21:37
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Pachylad posted:This is extremely awkward to have to dip my toes into, given that a huge chunk of my distaste with Lindsay the last time was because of Jourdain's concurrent tweet thread about how she and Kyle were mistreated by Lindsay/Todd/Lina and co. ... and it turned out Jourdain at the very lest embellished a LOT of the narrative surrounding it. I agree with most of the points in your post and quote, but I think at least some of the video was "necessary". The initial junk about "Woaah was it bad how that woman who made a racist joke was fired while she was on an airplane?" played a bit to close to "bloo bloo cancel culture" crap to me. And I think it's dumb to put random tweets on blast, even if you censor out the names and avatars. But addressing all those tweets compiling every miscommunication, stupid life choice, raw personal drama, and years-old stalker hate kind of needed "answering", I guess? Anyone who wants to hear her side will watch it, and anyone who isn't interested will just post their assumptions based on third-hand information anyway. But also lol at how melodramatic the language on that podcast description is. In short
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Jun 28, 2021 21:50
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So ya'll suddenly cool with the r-word orrrr?
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Jun 28, 2021 21:55
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John Murdoch posted:So ya'll suddenly cool with the r-word orrrr? I don't like or endorse the r-word
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Jun 28, 2021 22:00
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John Murdoch posted:So ya'll suddenly cool with the r-word orrrr? I beg your pardon?
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Jun 28, 2021 22:17
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cum posted:I beg your pardon?
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Jun 28, 2021 22:22
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John Murdoch posted:So ya'll suddenly cool with the r-word orrrr? 
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Jun 28, 2021 22:54
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Sydin posted:The people who used the whole situation to dig up their ancient beef with Lindsay are idiots and that whole aspect to the debacle was not great. I don't think there's anybody really denying that. However... all of this started because Lindsay just could not take the L when one of her takes was called out as ignorant. She just had to respond with a smarmy clapback in a situation where all she had to do was say "yeah you're right, sorry" or even better: say nothing and just let the person vent. And then even after the whole thing blew up... it was all over in like a week. Lindsay "quit" Twitter for a bit and by the time she was back the entire thing had subsided because it was the lowest level internet outrage that's not able to sustain itself for very long. BigRed0427 posted:And someone else already mentioned it but I wanna try and go further in. Yeah these 2 posts sum up my thoughts on the situation. Also worth mentioning, Contra points is also still doing her "bloo bloo cancel culture" bit and doubleing down on defending Buck Angel while Angel is going full terf on twitter 
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Jun 28, 2021 22:55
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BigRed0427 posted:Which...you made a 2 hour long video on how cancle culture is bad. How did you think you were gonna look? I figured I had to watch it in case people wanted feedback and since I've watched nearly everything she did, I might as well check it out so I could have a decent view of it. Specially since most of my surrounding group was hooting and hollering on how close it was to their experiences on art circles! And while I regret watching it, I now can at least go "well here's what she did and didn't do" with a few white hairs from doing so. At least I was replaying a Tony Hawk title during it, which was a plus.
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Jun 28, 2021 23:04
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its very easy to not center yourself as a victim of an endless and bitter culture war by repeatedly reminding everyone you were actually
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Jun 28, 2021 23:07
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If Lindsay simply hadn't decided to criticize MY disney cinema, then she wouldn't have had to get cancelled.
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Jun 28, 2021 23:15
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John Murdoch posted:So ya'll suddenly cool with the r-word orrrr? i believe cum is French, and so clearly is confused about the connotations of the word in English; thus "un mod retard--" a [habitually] late mod who sleeps past noon. an innocent mistake
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Jun 28, 2021 23:20
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this bit loving stinks.
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Jun 28, 2021 23:24
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There is no need to get mad at each other in this thread over slurs, please don't make this an argument.
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Jun 28, 2021 23:30
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ButterSkeleton posted:Talking about cancel culture is interesting stuff though! And i think Lindsay tends to be very through and fair in her assessments about these things. It was fun three years ago but now I'm bored of this fantasy world.
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Jun 28, 2021 23:39
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BigRed0427 posted:Oh god, this is funny. Not really when you'd have the same people complaining now saying "OOooh she won't even apologize or acknowledge it!" there is no real winning move with a subset of the extremely online people that make it their bag to stalk someone as long as people have her. YOu say nothing you're labelled uncaring and clearly not learning from your mistakes. You make a short simple acknowledgement or apology and clearly you're not doing enough to really learn from it or mean it. You make a long video baring your soul about the years of harassment that people then use to prove you were always actually bad and this wasn't just a single mistake? "Hmmm I don't think this was the right move. It just gives those people even more ammo. You should have just nodded and accepted all it and move on." Don't be online kids, it's really bad for you. ZenMasterBullshit fucked around with this message at 23:59 on Jun 28, 2021 |
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Jun 28, 2021 23:56
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its not possible to make everyone love you so maybe the solution is to choose an appropriate response based on the faux pas and ignore people whose posts at you you dont want to see.
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Jun 29, 2021 00:11
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Junpei Hyde posted:There is no need to get mad at each other in this thread over slurs, please don't make this an argument. I'm sorry but I'm not sure I understand what this post means. Is this language punishable or not in the current (sub)forum culture? If it is at moderator discretion I understand - there's a long history of not punishing sufficiently clever or nuanced employment of slurs.
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Jun 29, 2021 00:19
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fun hater posted:its not possible to make everyone love you so maybe the solution is to choose an appropriate response based on the faux pas and ignore people whose posts at you you dont want to see. listen she said the words "cancel culture" so clearly she has already been absolved of any responsibility
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Jun 29, 2021 00:25
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DoctorWhat posted:I'm sorry but I'm not sure I understand what this post means. Is this language punishable or not in the current (sub)forum culture? If it is at moderator discretion I understand - there's a long history of not punishing sufficiently clever or nuanced employment of slurs. I think it is somewhat hyperbolic to get mad at people for laughing at a high effort post because of a word it contains, and that this thread is not the place to litigate what kind of posting is acceptable.
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Jun 29, 2021 00:27
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I don't think the "she should've just said nothing" is entirely valid because she probably didn't expect it to cascade as far as it did. She probably thought that replying to her critique will be just another humdrum.
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Jun 29, 2021 00:53
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You two look very cute together. Hope you have a long and happy relationship.
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Jun 29, 2021 00:58
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Junpei Hyde posted:I think it is somewhat hyperbolic to get mad at people for laughing at a high effort post because of a word it contains, and that this thread is not the place to litigate what kind of posting is acceptable. That's certainly one interpretation of my post.
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Jun 29, 2021 01:00
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Acute Grill posted:One detail in the Ellis is Cancelled, Long Live Ellis saga is that she clearly thinks the outrage is in bad faith, in her video she correctly identifies that if you just blow off the haters their power is completely gone and then just... doesn't do that. She didnt say that she thought it was ALL in bad faith. Her video was more for people like me I guess, who couldnt help but see all the stuff dug up and wonder about it. (Like the Mara Wilson story) Even though I know it feels wrong to be interested in that The new negative outcomes of the video probably mostly came from throwing a lot of tweets on screen (even if some were covered up with fake names or came from already banned users).
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Jun 29, 2021 01:01
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Twitter just hits all kinds of weird dopamine and bad-emotion angles our primate brains have no idea how to process. If my economic future depended on internet engagement, I bet my brain would get super hosed-up if thousands of strangers stared posting that I was wrong or bad or disgusting or subhuman filth that should die, or if they started naming my every posting sin in a loop, for eternity. Shame and guilt are usually stabilized by being embedded in a community that serves people and that we serve, but being atomized on internet machinery designed to make money doesn’t do us any favors.
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