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C'mon. It's not like it was a printer or anything.
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Cocaine Bear posted:They're just carrying the 1...backwards They're "borrowing from their neighbor." That's how kids are taught to subtract. Although it doesn't work when the number is 10-19.
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Jun 28, 2021 18:15
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No joke they never told us when they were teaching in gradeschool, about an exclusion for the teens, so I, a dummy, have done that before. Replaced a 19 with 
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Jun 28, 2021 18:41
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By popular demand posted:Bad choice for a wingman bro, who's gonna pay any attention to you when the big JC is around? you'd be lucky to get home with anyone, and they are likely to be abstaining until marriage. "When you saw only one set of footprints, that is when I was slamming both girls."
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Jun 28, 2021 19:51
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It does work for the teen numbers... It just doesn't help. The idea is that kids should have add/sub facts to 20 memorised. Now I'm interested how other countries taught subtraction though? I thought that kind of algorithm was basically standard in public education systems the world over. Until about 20 years ago at least, when people started realising that drilling algorithms into kids doesn't really help to develop their mathematical reasoning.
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Jun 28, 2021 19:56
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bike tory posted:It does work for the teen numbers... It just doesn't help. Kids need both. Doing simple math in your head quickly is a really useful skill, and hammering algorithms to help kids do it is valuable. Math reasoning is important, too, to develop good problem solving skills. It's not a one or the other situation.
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Jun 28, 2021 19:58
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Deteriorata posted:It's not a one or the other situation. Absolutely, but until relatively recently only one was taught.
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Jun 28, 2021 20:08
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bike tory posted:Absolutely, but until relatively recently only one was taught. I suspect this is going to be highly school system dependent, and likely dependent on the individual school. There is a ton of variability in American education, which means that it's hard to generalize about "this subject was taught this way at this time." Anecdotally I can say that I got both in a decent (but not great) suburban public high school. You have the rote algorithmic stuff to get you through specific tasks, but then you also had problem solving stuff like word problems etc to try and get you to implement those tools in a less bounded scenario.
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Jun 28, 2021 20:52
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Cyrano4747 posted:... And then you had people complaining about word problems and saying they hate them and are hard, with no insight into how this suggested they'd memorized processes but hadn't actually learned math.
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Jun 28, 2021 20:54
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Blue Footed Booby posted:And then you had people complaining about word problems and saying they hate them and are hard, with no insight into how this suggested they'd memorized processes but hadn't actually learned math. I hated word problems because I was taught that the answer to the word problem "Billy and Joe walk to the market. Billy buys three apples and Joe buys two. How many apples do they have together?" was not "5" but to write out "Q. Billy and Joe walk to the market. Billy buys three apples and Joe buys two. How many apples do they have together? A. They have five apples together." I just wanted to get to the math, dammit.
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Jun 28, 2021 21:06
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Cyrano4747 posted:I suspect this is going to be highly school system dependent, and likely dependent on the individual school. There is a ton of variability in American education, which means that it's hard to generalize about "this subject was taught this way at this time." I'd imagine "word problems" for you was still about trying to identify correctly whether to use the one addition, subtraction, multiplication or division algorithm that you'd been taught though. That's more what has changed.
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Jun 28, 2021 21:16
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Blue Footed Booby posted:And then you had people complaining about word problems and saying they hate them and are hard, with no insight into how this suggested they'd memorized processes but hadn't actually learned math.
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Jun 28, 2021 21:19
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If there are fifteen crows on a fence and the farmer shoots a third of them, how many crows are left?
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Jun 28, 2021 21:31
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So we're posing word problems? That seems really loving lame.  
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Jun 28, 2021 21:35
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Fried Watermelon posted:If there are fifteen crows on a fence and the farmer shoots a third of them, how many crows are left? Fifteen, because more will take the places of the fallen in defiance of the bourgeoisie rentseeking farmer no matter what force he brings to bear.
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Jun 28, 2021 21:35
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Someone is gonna eat ET.
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Jun 28, 2021 21:39
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Lmao @ the dolly parton license plate
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Jun 28, 2021 21:59
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It finally happened! It's just a Mii-outfit and people are reacting as expected.
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Jun 28, 2021 22:39
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Tekkenman and dante are cool and all but unless the last DLC character is rollback netcode what's the point?
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Jun 28, 2021 22:54
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Dale-Taco posted:Someone is gonna eat ET. Yes, that's the joke.
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Jun 28, 2021 23:03
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Dixville posted:Lmao @ the dolly parton license plate As someone from Tennessee, I can inform the thread that yes, the Dolly license plates are real, and proceeds from ordering these plates help fund her Imagination Library, a worldwide nonprofit that gives a book every month *for free* to children from the time they're born until they turn five, doing absolutely bonkers work at helping to curb childhood illiteracy. I have a Dolly vanity plate.
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Jun 28, 2021 23:53
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Screaming Idiot posted:Fifteen, because more will take the places of the fallen in defiance of the bourgeoisie rentseeking farmer no matter what force he brings to bear. It's actually 5 on the left. The others are on the right.
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Jun 29, 2021 00:12
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Dolly is a loving treasure.
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Jun 29, 2021 02:17
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Cryte Lynn posted:As someone from Tennessee, I can inform the thread that yes, the Dolly license plates are real, and proceeds from ordering these plates help fund her Imagination Library, a worldwide nonprofit that gives a book every month *for free* to children from the time they're born until they turn five, doing absolutely bonkers work at helping to curb childhood illiteracy. I'll fight any idiot who hates on Dolly.
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Jun 29, 2021 02:37
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Dolly owns. Unrelated: Dudes rock. 
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Jun 29, 2021 02:42
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Making a urinal out of a keg is kind of neat.
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Jun 29, 2021 02:46
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Android Apocalypse posted:Making a urinal out of a keg is kind of neat. They do that thousands of times a day at the Budweiser factory. Folks,
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Jun 29, 2021 02:48
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VanSandman posted:I'll fight any idiot who hates on Dolly. I'm with you and I've never even been to Tennessee.
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Jun 29, 2021 04:09
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A HORNY SWEARENGEN posted:Dolly owns. I go to a bar that has one of these and yes it’s as fun as it looks.
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Jun 29, 2021 04:13
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zedprime posted:I don't know that the takeaway here is that clear cut. Word problems are slightly infamous for tripping up people who can't read well, which yes, get better at reading too, win win. Except reading skill progress is very correlated to how good your Pre-K was which correlates to being well off and also if you get better at reading later you might already be excluded from advanced math classes for not being good enough at reading when you were 10. To say nothing about cultural contexts built into the word problems which means even if you can read well maybe you just don't understand what's going on in the question because it's something you've never heard about. I wasn't intending to engage with this point, but you're absolutely right. I went to school in an area with a lot of immigrants, and the teachers expected the, eg, kids from Bolivia or Korea to mess up word problems a bit, but I'm sure some, also eg, dyslexic native speakers had a bad time. It's just that my area was also rich as fuuuuuuck. I took an astronomy class in high school at my school's planetarium. I can't imagine what it was like in districts without that level of resources.
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Jun 29, 2021 04:26
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DarkSoulsTantrum posted:I go to a bar that has one of these and yes it’s as fun as it looks. can you pee at the side wall and it sort of flows around the inner wall on its way down? is it as amazing as it sounds consistently every time?
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Jun 29, 2021 05:09
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I hate the maths questions designed to trick you. Like throwing in a random negative question in some poorly written and incredibly clunky way. "Billy has a box of ten apples. Jenny takes three. Timmy takes one and gives it to Jenny. How many apples doesn't Billy have?" Or "Choose the least incorrect answer" after 20 questions asking to choose the correct answer. Then you get to university and not once, ever, do they pull bullshit like that.
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Jun 29, 2021 05:15
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Megillah Gorilla posted:I hate the maths questions designed to trick you. Like throwing in a random negative question in some poorly written and incredibly clunky way. Thats because poo poo like that has nothing to do with learning or teaching, its just forms of abuse to keep kids on their toes.
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Jun 29, 2021 05:31
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A HORNY SWEARENGEN posted:They do that thousands of times a day at the Budweiser factory. The sleeper hit of the page, people, despite slandering the good people of České Budějovice
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Jun 29, 2021 05:35
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Biplane posted:Thats because poo poo like that has nothing to do with learning or teaching, its just forms of abuse to keep kids on their toes. Not just kids, my yearly training courses I have to do for work also have trick questions, to the point I spend more time trying to figure them out than the training and I still get it wrong after doing the same course for years.
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Jun 29, 2021 05:39
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There's a reason using trick questions in any other context gets you deservedly punched in the nose.
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Jun 29, 2021 06:06
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I was just laughing because of the combo of dolly parton and "cruising for pussy," the fact that the license plate exists is awesome actually
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Jun 29, 2021 07:04
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DarkSoulsTantrum posted:I go to a bar that has one of these and yes it’s as fun as it looks. If you can't make the urinal doily (shut up that's official name now) spin with your blast, I'm pissing on the floor instead!
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Re: Accessible Math Chat — It’s not a funny picture in the least, but several teachers have been found unironically using a set of word problems that were written by some Boomer as a  “joke” to point out how terrible it would be for math classes to acknowledge Black people, because then all they’d teach is about drugs and hoes and that (c)rap music and those kids need to pull their drat pants up did you know flashing your headlights is a gang sign. Having learned that, here’s some of Daddies Sauce to cleanse all 1 whole KB of memory of your mental RAM: 
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Kinda looks like Samus Aran.
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