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Kurieg posted:It really sucks that the revised writers didn't seem comfortable enough to shuck all the real gross 1e stuff from the rest of the Fera. The Ajaba got most of their gross stuff excised but that's only because they were completely overhauled. It will shock none of us Rokea was written by You Know Who.
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How and why are the shark men rapey? Real world sharks don't rape.
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Jun 27, 2021 12:29
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Perhaps they confused them for dolphins
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Jun 27, 2021 12:38
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Kavak posted:How and why are the shark men rapey? Real world sharks don't rape. Ahem. Well. Driven by their version of the Triat in what Rokea scholars (as much as they have them) believe is an attempt to better integrate with the surface world that they have ignored for millennia (except the Hengeyokai bunch) whenever they're on land they are constantly horny. They want to be knee deep in it the moment their feet hit the beach. Then you add in... sigh... Animal Attraction. They even get an XP credit to help raise up their Appearance to 3 so they can qualify as attractive.
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Jun 27, 2021 16:22
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Dawgstar posted:Ahem. Well. Someone at WW was hornt up for Street Sharks.
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Jun 27, 2021 16:42
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joylessdivision posted:Someone at WW was hornt up for Street Sharks. If you look at who wrote Rokea, it makes a lot of sense.
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joylessdivision posted:Someone at WW was hornt up for Street Sharks. The only difference between WtA and WtF's treatment of the Fera is that one had FurAffinity as a way to crystallize the community and one did not. Arivia fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Jun 27, 2021 |
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Jun 27, 2021 16:56
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That explains why they went all in on the betweener war and killing all homid rokea in revised. But someone should really tell white wolf that making it a taboo just makes it kinkier for that subset of the community. they finally figured it out in W:TF 2nd edition, just took them 25 years...
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Jun 27, 2021 17:54
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Dawgstar posted:If you look at who wrote Rokea, it makes a lot of sense. Please enlighten me, because I'm unaware of this bit of table top history.
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Jun 27, 2021 18:09
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joylessdivision posted:Please enlighten me, because I'm unaware of this bit of table top history. It's Matt McFarland.
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Jun 27, 2021 18:21
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Kurieg posted:It's Matt McFarland. 
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Jun 27, 2021 19:32
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Oh wow not Brucato for once
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Jun 27, 2021 22:08
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Kurieg posted:It's Matt McFarland. 
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Jun 28, 2021 00:47
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"why rapey sharks" is a baffling question if you start from the premise of "sharks", but, well...
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Jun 28, 2021 00:48
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:"why rapey sharks" is a baffling question if you start from the premise of "sharks", but, well... It's a 90's WW book. The rape is assumed. Which, having now typed that out, loving YIKESARONI.
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Jun 28, 2021 05:04
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:"why rapey sharks" is a baffling question if you start from the premise of "sharks", but, well... Knowing what I know now it makes perfect sense why the Rokea would be magically compelled to gently caress and the game portrays that as a good thing.
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Jun 28, 2021 06:41
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Rokea are also super-weird in that their whole culture is based around making sure that no Rokea ever becomes a playable character or does anything interesting.
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Jun 28, 2021 07:13
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Rand Brittain posted:Rokea are also super-weird in that their whole culture is based around making sure that no Rokea ever becomes a playable character or does anything interesting. So it's a self solving problem of "Well we have rapey street sharks." "That's bad" "But their culture is based around them not being playable or useful at all" "That's good" "McFarland wrote them" *blank stare* "That's also bad"
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Jun 28, 2021 14:58
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In theory McFarland relied on the implication that the Rokea PCs would be the ones to bridge the gap of the Betweeners and bring Rokea in line with the rest of the Fera, sort of like how Vampire would talk about the Camarilla a lot and be surprised people didn't play Anarchs more.
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Jun 28, 2021 20:32
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Rokea, along with most of the Fera, are a holdover from the "stop wanting to play this thing you all keep asking us to make rules for" era of WoD design
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Jun 28, 2021 23:19
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Froghammer posted:Rokea, along with most of the Fera, are a holdover from the "stop wanting to play this thing you all keep asking us to make rules for" era of WoD design I know this will be crazy talk, but they could have just not made it into something playable then.
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Jun 28, 2021 23:33
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But then how will you teach them that they were wrong to have wanted it in the first place, you see
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Jun 28, 2021 23:46
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Kavak posted:How and why are the shark men rapey? Real world sharks don't rape. Basically the Rokea were too cool in previous editions so they had a flaw that was "You can't actually play this character we're going to write an entire book for." which was that Rokea killed all the hominid Rokea and hominid Rokea kinfolk because players do not deserve to play the Rokea. So if your Rokea spoke a language that wasn't BUBBLES you had to acquire it after character creation and there was a bunch of other stuff both mechanical and fluff to punish you for wanting to play an enormous shark man who lived in the Rockies or anywhere else that wasn't an ocean. Now Gaia has given them stunning good looks and told them she wants a bunch of hominid Rokea and hominid Rokea kinfolk grandbabies. So a lady who has skin like a belt sander (which makes you incredibly horny, no save) is going to walk naked out of the sea and immediately try to get some strange and it's all very White Wolf in the worst sense.
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Jun 29, 2021 00:42
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Wasn't it the other way around? They always had the fuckme aura and the betweener war came later?
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All I remember for sure is the actual rokea breed book said all the hominid rokea and kinfolk were dead as hell and playing a hominid rokea was completely out of bounds followed by rules for hominid rokea because that's just how white wolf do
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Jun 29, 2021 00:55
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Relevant Tangent posted:So a lady who has skin like a belt sander (which makes you incredibly horny, no save) is going to walk naked out of the sea and immediately try to get some strange
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Jun 29, 2021 02:20
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Yawgmoth posted:isn't this the plot of shadow over innsmouth yes but in a meta-textual kind of way, in the sense that someone at White Wolf was uncontrollably obsessed with the fear that somewhere, sometime, someone in their family tree was horny for a fish Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 02:24 on Jun 29, 2021 |
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Jun 29, 2021 02:21
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:you're thinking of the porn parody, Swallows What's Innsmouth This hurt like one of my father's puns.
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Jun 29, 2021 02:24
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Kavak posted:This hurt like one of my father's puns. i regretted it immediately and went for a different angle, guess i wasn't fast enough 
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Jun 29, 2021 02:25
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Relevant Tangent posted:Now Gaia has given them stunning good looks and told them she wants a bunch of hominid Rokea and hominid Rokea kinfolk grandbabies. So a lady who has skin like a belt sander (which makes you incredibly horny, no save) is going to walk naked out of the sea and immediately try to get some strange and it's all very White Wolf in the worst sense.
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Jun 29, 2021 02:54
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:i regretted it immediately and went for a different angle, guess i wasn't fast enough
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Jun 29, 2021 03:06
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Nessus posted:This is already wrong, sharks are perfectly smooth, no matter which way you pet them. That's probably where the horny got started. The smoothest, that does explain the charisma bump.
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Jun 29, 2021 04:50
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Except for the Asian were-sharks, the Same-Bito. They got homids.
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Jun 29, 2021 04:54
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With the tacit admission that the rest of Wereshark society does not approve and the only reason the Homid rokea can survive at all is that they are protected by the rest of the beast Courts and the Rokea aren't willing to ring that bell.
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Froghammer posted:Rokea, along with most of the Fera, are a holdover from the "stop wanting to play this thing you all keep asking us to make rules for" era of WoD design This was such a weird idea. Seems relatively prevalent at the time too, not just in WoD but in other pen and paper RPG design. Anyone happen to know where it comes from? I feel like it was institutionalized enough that it was almost part of a coherent ideology of game design and was more than a gently caress you to anyone who wanted to play a "super special totally the best" type character... not that PCs serving as blatant wish-fulfillment is even an actual problem of course, unless it disrupts the game. Did, idk, Gygax once print an essay yelling at someone who wanted him to write rules for playing a half-dragon, or something like that?
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Digital Osmosis posted:This was such a weird idea. Seems relatively prevalent at the time too, not just in WoD but in other pen and paper RPG design. Anyone happen to know where it comes from? I feel like it was institutionalized enough that it was almost part of a coherent ideology of game design and was more than a gently caress you to anyone who wanted to play a "super special totally the best" type character... not that PCs serving as blatant wish-fulfillment is even an actual problem of course, unless it disrupts the game. Did, idk, Gygax once print an essay yelling at someone who wanted him to write rules for playing a half-dragon, or something like that?
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Froghammer posted:Rokea, along with most of the Fera, are a holdover from the "stop wanting to play this thing you all keep asking us to make rules for" era of WoD design You can pry my Ratkin book out of my cold dead hands.
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Digital Osmosis posted:This was such a weird idea. Seems relatively prevalent at the time too, not just in WoD but in other pen and paper RPG design. Anyone happen to know where it comes from? I feel like it was institutionalized enough that it was almost part of a coherent ideology of game design and was more than a gently caress you to anyone who wanted to play a "super special totally the best" type character... not that PCs serving as blatant wish-fulfillment is even an actual problem of course, unless it disrupts the game. Did, idk, Gygax once print an essay yelling at someone who wanted him to write rules for playing a half-dragon, or something like that? There certainly was a very 'I will tell you how to play and you'll like it' strain to RPGs, likely connected to when grognards were actually still relevant. At least it seems to be one of those things that's quietly gone extinct in the last decade or so.
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citybeatnik posted:You can pry my Ratkin book out of my cold dead hands.
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I Am Just a Box posted:This goes straight back to "this is either Deviant or Demon," though, with only minor reskinning — defining the terrible conspiracy that made you, as a collaborative effort between players and Storyteller, is exactly how Deviant's conspiracies work, while Demon's God-Machine can easily be spun as the forward infrastructure of the posthuman luminous beings who will change everything forever. Which turns the question into "what do you want, hardscrabble zoomed-in struggle or weird cosmic spy action?" Terribly late to Alien chat, but if you're looking for inspiration for this, check out Conspiracy X. 1e if you can, for the fluff; 2e condenses and consolidates a lot of it really well, but I also think it loses some of the magic by doing so.
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