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Not So Fast posted:It's originally AAVE, I don't think anyone here had appropriated it yet before the Daily Mail started using it as an insult goddamnedtwisto posted:Forgive the pseudishness but Baddiel really did have a remarkable bit of luck in managing to hit the rising tide of all three major cultural shifts of the 90s. He was part of the third-wave alternative comedy boom and (thanks to being paired up with the much funnier Rob Newman) was propelled to the very top of the "comedy is the new rock and roll" part of that boom. Borrovan fucked around with this message at 09:43 on Jun 29, 2021 |
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Love that this thread did a collective impromptu deep dive on the Bad-Eel and his role in a specific 90s cultural microclimate and his bad politics. I also love that on another day someone would have just posted the blackface pic and we'd have moved on
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Tsietisin posted:Also Punt and Dennis are a national treasure. I mean yes, but only because this nation is a turd that won't flush.
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DesperateDan posted:Words Yeah, I was sat round my parent's house watching the BBC for the 1st time in forever and BBC1 & 2 seem pretty much entirely set up to provide cosy, reassuring tv for viewers in their 60's and upwards. Cosy househunting programmes: "We're looking for a nice little cottage and we have a budget of £900k etc", cosy countryside programmes with lots of arial shots and fluffy sheep, cosy cookery programmes, cosy comedy-dramas conveniently set in times and places where you don't have to worry about seeing brown people and so on and so forth. If I was an oldie, I could absolutely see the attractions of pulling the curtains more tightly shut and letting it all just gently wash over me.
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Looking forward to a few decades time when the only "this person used to be culturally relevant remember them?" people that they can dig up to fill panel shows are former contestants on Ru Paul's Drag Race Unironically, that would be hilarious
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Jun 29, 2021 09:47
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As long as its not Avid Merrion
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Jun 29, 2021 09:50
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Borrovan posted:Looking forward to a few decades time when the only "this person used to be culturally relevant remember them?" people that they can dig up to fill panel shows are former contestants on Ru Paul's Drag Race You know that middle aged hasbeen comic who only succeeded because he attached himself to immeasurably more talented creative partners? That's Baddiel, that is.
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Jun 29, 2021 09:51
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Pistol_Pete posted:Yeah, I was sat round my parent's house watching the BBC for the 1st time in forever and BBC1 & 2 seem pretty much entirely set up to provide cosy, reassuring tv for viewers in their 60's and upwards. Cosy househunting programmes: "We're looking for a nice little cottage and we have a budget of £900k etc", cosy countryside programmes with lots of arial shots and fluffy sheep, cosy cookery programmes, cosy comedy-dramas conveniently set in times and places where you don't have to worry about seeing brown people and so on and so forth. Speaking as a 'viewer in their 60s' I can safely say that I very very rarely watch BBC (other than reruns of older shows on Drama channel - Dalziel & Pascoe, Miss Marple with Joan Hickson etc) precisely because their 'news' is propaganda straight from Tory Central, the majority of their programming is seriously boring 'reality' shows as I've joked before Strictly Come Bakeoff and sport. I don't even look to see what's on and wait for someone somewhere to say 'that was worth watching' and go on iplayer. This is another reason why noone will ever vote for me to be Prime Minister - I have zero interest in who wins a dancing or cooking competition, don't give a toss who wins a football match and don't pretend to buy cornish pasties from non-existent train-station-based pasty stands. That and the sniper watchtowers taking out owners of pooping dogs.
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Borrovan posted:According to this Honestly I think the timing's more important - Newman and Baddiel as a double-act either in the early 80s or late 90s would have just been swamped by other acts, that weird little breathing space in the late 80s where all of the second-wave acts had been hoovered up into Hat Trick shows is ultimately the only reason you've heard anything of them because - whisper it - the Mary Whitehouse Experience was actually pretty loving ordinary and, History Today excepted, Newman and Baddiel In Pieces was actually weak as poo poo). Equally "alternative comedy football show" was a niche that just didn't exist 5 years before or after - he'd have never made a viable double-act with Skinner outside of that one particular niche, IMO, and of course that coinciding with both Euro 96 being in England and the England team being actually pretty good is just a one-in-a-million alignment. Change the timeline slightly so this all happens in the doldrums of the 94 World Cup (which England didn't even qualify for and so everyone had to pretend to have an Irish granny) and none of it happens. Yes, I do think way, way too much about the minutae of the 90s comedy scene and there's not even the slightest hint of jealousy about it.
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I'm reminded of the time I saw Baddiel do standup around 1997 at (I think) Leicester Square where he did have some quite good material about how ridiculous the "new rock and roll" stuff was but alas I can't remember any actual lines, other than him being proud about a reviewer describing his singing on 3 Lions as being "something that will be erased by folk memory as surely as the memory of grave robbing in the Blitz" (and fair play, that's a loving savage burn). Compare that to how thin-skinned about even the slightest criticism he is nowadays, and it's actually a pretty good study in the sad prognosis of Centrist Brain Spiders.
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Jun 29, 2021 09:59
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That's a real good burn. I noticed, since we're on comedy, the latest Stewart Lee tour poster has the customary negative media quote from Tony Parsons, Julie Burchill's equally tedious old edgelord contrarian ex. The NME has a lot to answer for.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Yes, I do think way, way too much about the minutae of the 90s comedy scene and there's not even the slightest hint of jealousy about it. Is Chris Morris still good? I heard him being interviewed on Adam Buxton's podcast and was relieved that he doesn't seem to have become a prick.
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Yeah Chris Morris understands the political positioning of comedy in society and takes his role in that seriously.
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Jun 29, 2021 10:16
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Pistol_Pete posted:Yeah, I was sat round my parent's house watching the BBC for the 1st time in forever and BBC1 & 2 seem pretty much entirely set up to provide cosy, reassuring tv for viewers in their 60's and upwards. While this is true, it is undermined by being in a conversation about Baddiel. I'm not yet 60 and from my pov Baddiel, Punt, Dennis, Mary Whitehouse Experience etc were all unfunny replacements for 80s comedians. In short, the BBC also caters to Gen X.
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Anyone who has ever interacted with David Baddiel on Twitter knows that his definition of anti-semitism is disagreeing with David Baddiel. It’s evidence of systematic anti-Semitism within the Labour Party if you get caught disagreeing with David Baddiel if you have Labour anything on your TL. He’s that rear end in a top hat.
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Necrothatcher posted:Is Chris Morris still good? I heard him being interviewed on Adam Buxton's podcast and was relieved that he doesn't seem to have become a prick. We'll always have Jam
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Creating a purity list of 90's/00's comedians, here's what I have so far. Still OK Stewart Lee Chris Morris Reece Shearsmith Armando Ianucci Richard Ayoade Sean Hughes (peace be upon him) Jury's Out Richard Herring Steve Coogan Julian Barrat Kevin Eldon Probably quite sus Mark Gatiss Jack Dee Noel Fielding Proven oval office David Baddiel keep punching joe fucked around with this message at 10:29 on Jun 29, 2021 |
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Jun 29, 2021 10:27
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2 questions. 1. What did Mark Gattis do wrong and 2. Why is noel fielding included in a list of comedians
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Jun 29, 2021 10:29
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JollyBoyJohn posted:1. What did Mark Gattis do wrong Nothing as far as I know, I just get bad vibes.
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Jun 29, 2021 10:30
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What's the thread opinion on Alexei Sayle? His podcast has started an a-z of leftism with really interesting discussion of anarchism and the Spanish civil war which was really good to listen to
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Jun 29, 2021 10:32
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Say what you will about the BBC but they did commission and show Small Axe, which is astounding TV, and have some decent drama. Mrs America, for instance (which they didn't commission but nonetheless bought and broadcast).
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Jun 29, 2021 10:33
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JollyBoyJohn posted:What did Mark Gatiss do wrong Sherlock, for a start.
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Alexei Sayle is still good, and still very angry. He shouts less now though.
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Xemloth posted:What's the thread opinion on Alexei Sayle? His podcast has started an a-z of leftism with really interesting discussion of anarchism and the Spanish civil war which was really good to listen to He's a nutter but "Alright John gotta new motor" is class
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Jedit posted:Sherlock, for a start. Lmao
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keep punching joe posted:Creating a purity list of 90's/00's comedians, here's what I have so far. Stuart Lee is a FBPE lib dem these days and Armando Ianucci is a blairite. E: Alexi Sayle is still cool and good.
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keep punching joe posted:Creating a purity list of 90's/00's comedians, here's what I have so far. can add Robert Webb into the oval office column, and David Mitchell into Jury’s out imo
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Domonik Diamond = probably a oval office
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keep punching joe posted:Creating a purity list of 90's/00's comedians, here's what I have so far. Probably need to switch Iannucci and Coogan. Iirc Iannucci is a bit of a lib centrist these days and swallowed the Corbyn and Labour antisemitism smears. Coogan backed Corbyn and Labour publicly in 2019, don't think he's said much since
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I've probably told this anecdote before but Stewart Lee hit on my girlfriend once (long before I knew her). He politely asked if she wanted to get a drink after a show, she politely declined, & he politely changed the subject & left. Like this sounds like a really unremarkable story but honestly I'd expect a celebrity getting turned down for a date to act like a oval office, so fair play to him. Alexei Sayle is amazing & has done lots of talking about Jewish socialism lately. Ianucci is a confirmed melt.
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Xemloth posted:What's the thread opinion on Alexei Sayle? His podcast has started an a-z of leftism with really interesting discussion of anarchism and the Spanish civil war which was really good to listen to I have a great fondness for Alexei Sayle's Stuff even though I wasn't watching it at the time https://youtu.be/4vPUeB2ZqQU He did a good Mussolini on The Young Ones
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keep punching joe posted:Creating a purity list of 90's/00's comedians, here's what I have so far. As much as it pains me to say it, Armando Iannucci is an arch-centrist on Twitter, and laid into Corbyn practically every day he was leader. Meanwhile Steve Coogan enthusiastically campaigned for Labour at the time and appeared in videos for Momentum. Also, and I wouldn’t necessarily throw him out for this, I suspect he’s contrite though since he wisely avoids Twitter I don’t know for sure, Chris Morris also did blackface in the 90s.
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forkboy84 posted:I have a great fondness for Alexei Sayle's Stuff even though I wasn't watching it at the time The Marquis of Granby is one of my favourite absurdist sketches.
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Ferrosol posted:Stuart Lee is a FBPE lib dem these days and Armando Ianucci is a blairite. I dunno if that’s true about Stuart Lee, I thought it was another one of the utterly deadpan sarcastic lines from his column.
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Sorry to jump in randomly with a question. Are the good law project decent people? They seem to be exposing a lot of government wrong doing (to 0 consequences but still)
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Jun 29, 2021 10:53
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Noxville posted:I dunno if that’s true about Stuart Lee, I thought it was another one of the utterly deadpan sarcastic lines from his column. He said his political heroes of 2019 were Jess Phillips , Ken Clarke and Gina Miller and blamed Corbyn for losing the EU referendum.
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Jun 29, 2021 10:54
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If you listened to a Stewart Lee show and came away with a conclusion that he was owt but a Liberal you did that to yourself.
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Jun 29, 2021 10:56
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I tried looking for a source on Lee being a melt & found my way to this list of some people he liked in 2019-2020:quote:Greta Thunberg willie_dee posted:Are the good law project decent people? They seem to be exposing a lot of government wrong doing (to 0 consequences but still) "Well meaning centrists who actually do good work quite a lot of the time" is probably as far as it goes.
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Jun 29, 2021 10:59
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Lee and Herring practically did orange face in the 90s
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Ferrosol posted:He said his political heroes of 2019 were Jess Phillips , Ken Clarke and Gina Miller and blamed Corbyn for losing the EU referendum. Was that Stewart Lee the Guardian columnist or Stewart Lee the stand up comedian? Borrovan posted:They do very good work, but it's Jolyon Maugham's thing so I wouldn't exactly say "decent people". He did beat a fox to death with a baseball bat while wearing a silk ladies kimono, which even as a vegetarian I have to respect for the pure chaotic energy. keep punching joe fucked around with this message at 11:01 on Jun 29, 2021 |
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