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nobody turned out for a big wet president because of his strong and consistent conservative values, they did it because he's a messy bitch who loves drama. desantis might get the nomination but he's no unbeatable powerhouse
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KaptainKrunk posted:I don't think we'll see a "Trump but Smart and Full Fash" candidate in 2024. It's too early in The Collapse for that. The best case scenario for a full fash president is DeSantis/Cotton and DeSantis falls in a manhole at some point in his presidency.
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DesertIslandHermit posted:Desantis and Abbot running in 2024 will only be worth it to see what they say to each other in the primary and when they eventually suck up to the winner. I really hope Desantis makes a cripple joke, and I honestly wouldn't put it past him
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Jun 30, 2021 05:39
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TrixRabbi posted:He is and he isn't. When it comes to any understanding of technical details about the operations of government or just general knowledge he is one of the dumbest people alive. When it comes to media manipulation, self-preservation, embezzlement, branding, maintaining power he's very very smart. trump kind of understands how to run a business the way howard stern does. howard picked dumbasses who called into the show and were willing to give up their current careers for a shot in radio. normally not a good career change, but worth it for the stern show. and in a lot of cases stern picked people who had no other career prospects. but by doing so he got a lot of incompetent people who eventually learned to work in a way that made the show run in exchange youre completely dependent on him and willing to take a lot of abuse to make the boss happy. like how trump made his former caddy scavino his media guy. there was no way scavino was going to get hired away to do anything else and thus trump had his complete loyalty ironically, the difference between stern and trump is that a lot of hollywood people love or loved the howard stern show and have a lot of affection for the people on it. when stern decides to end the show everyone on it is going to have job offers just because other hollywood people will want to hear stories in addition to them having worked on a successful show. im sure people will want to hear trump stories, but they dont want the stink of failure that former trump employees will have
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:I really hope Desantis makes a cripple joke, and I honestly wouldn't put it past him Governor Abbot just won’t stand up for conservative values the way i will
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Jun 30, 2021 09:03
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There's a huge lack of consideration for tv personality and millionaire right-wing demagogue Tucker Carlson in this thread
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I have a feeling that a candidate’s personality or charisma or appearance won’t matter if they get the Trump endorsement — his base already sees a prissy, flabby elderly gossip as a muscular humanitarian genius no matter how much he babbles about being disrespected at the Russian Tea Room, so anyone else under his aegis would get the same kind of uncritical adulation for a wholly-fictional persona
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Jun 30, 2021 13:22
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Doomtalker posted:There's a huge lack of consideration for tv personality and millionaire right-wing demagogue Tucker Carlson in this thread That's because the presidency would be a downgrade for him. More work, less overall influence even if he gets direct control over certain poo poo. He's not running.
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Jun 30, 2021 13:29
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The Nastier Nate posted:DeSantis is the best trump clone without going to far into the uncanny valley he sucks on the mic though, no one has trump's charisma
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Jun 30, 2021 13:32
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Sir Tonk posted:what about Tim Scott? For the Republican nomination for President??? ? I guess stranger things have happened but I kind of doubt that would work out for obvious reasons.
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Jun 30, 2021 13:50
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Doomtalker posted:There's a huge lack of consideration for tv personality and millionaire right-wing demagogue Tucker Carlson in this thread Tucker comes off as a dumb goober outside his carefully controlled show and gets easily flustered. He doesn't have the Trump ability to just vamp on nothing regardless of context.
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euphronius posted:trunp isn’t dumb. well he’s gets getting senile idk I think he’s kinda dumb
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Jun 30, 2021 14:03
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Sir Tonk posted:he sucks on the mic though, no one has trump's charisma He's like the generic store brand cola to Trump's diet coke. Sure he's not as good, but the chud's will keep drinking that garbage anyway
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Jun 30, 2021 14:45
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The Nastier Nate posted:He's like the generic store brand cola to Trump's diet coke. This is what worries me. Republican voters have proven time and time again that they'll vote for anyone with (R) next to their name. It doesn't matter if DeSantis or Cotton or whoever else doesn't have that Trumpy charm, but if one of them comes out of the primary on top those GOP voters will still show up. Unless the RNC somehow ratfucks Trump and he makes a big enough stink about it, I guess.
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Jun 30, 2021 15:04
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Sir Tonk posted:he sucks on the mic though, no one has trump's charisma This was my response to my turboTrump family but they say DeSantis is awesome. Many sides.
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Jun 30, 2021 15:08
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Feldegast42 posted:Trump got a lot of people to vote for him that don't normally vote though and haven't been showing up as much when he isn't on the ballot yeah not enough attention gets paid to this there's been a steady shift of rich suburban voters over to the dems but the gop hasn't paid a real price for it yet, outside of losing the house. the dereg poo poo is basically primed to keep this group loyal and it really doesn't seem to be working it's not hard to see that if the gop nominates someone other than trump in 2024 that even desantis doesn't bring back enough to avoid a loss on par with mccain in 2008
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Feldegast42 posted:Trump got a lot of people to vote for him that don't normally vote though and haven't been showing up as much when he isn't on the ballot Since 2008, at least, it's been a game of turnout. Trump somehow got these roaming masses of jackasses out to vote for him. A good indicator of how that'll affect the game going forward will be 2022. He won't be on the ballot then so that could lower their turnout (offset by voter fuckery of course).
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The Nastier Nate posted:DeSantis is the best trump clone without going to far into the uncanny valley if trump dies before 2024 he's gonna be the next potus 
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desantis is the actual fascist people wanted to believe trump was
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Azathoth posted:yeah not enough attention gets paid to this yea the suburbs are very reliably turning blue as the old guard GOP die off, and younger voters move out of cities. If republicans wanted to win back the suburbs they'd need to 1) support gun control and 2) turn the racism and bigotry dial back down to being more subtle but they aren't willing to do that so they're relying on rural voters and peeling off just enough city and suburban chuds to let them win states with large population centers, and energizing fresh new chuds who maybe didn't vote except when trump was on the ballot whether it will be enough for them in 22 and 24, who knows?
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You think Cotton isn't manly enough? Well, we can fix that. https://twitter.com/kaufmannGOP/status/1410038464192602115?s=19
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Jun 30, 2021 16:57
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Thoguh posted:You think Cotton isn't manly enough? Well, we can fix that. chuck at least has the excuse of being a senile old fossil
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Mustached Demon posted:chuck at least has the excuse of being a senile old fossil Chuck is doing better push ups here and I don't think that's a crazy take. Azathoth posted:yeah not enough attention gets paid to this Yeah that's a good point I suppose. The presence or absence of Trump just feels like a big wildcard over the whole thing, though if Trump handing out endorsements was more effective the 2018 midterms might have looked a little different.
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most of trumps voting base probably doesnt even know what a midterm even is. a lot of them are only learning about it fairly recently when the GOP started unifying around the message of "biden is literally destroying america and the only way to stop america from ending and becoming socialist is to go to this little known but very very important election called a mid term"
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trump endorsements matter for primaries but unless he's actually campaigning for them, doing rallies, that sort of thing, it doesn't move the needle much in a general election that said, even in primaries, trump usually only endorses candidates who aren't facing serious challengers. he was definitely a kingmaker in some contests, but he usually avoids weighing in, even when there's one or more candidates that are literally running on supporting him
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Jun 30, 2021 17:33
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Marzzle posted:desantis is the actual fascist people wanted to believe trump was
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Jun 30, 2021 17:41
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Zero_Grade posted:He can just sit out 2024 and see how things shake out if he wants. DeSantis is only 42, so we're gonna be stuck with his smug idiot face in politics for the next 20-30 years drat really? If he was born a year later he could be our first millennial prez.
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Jun 30, 2021 17:46
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Marzzle posted:desantis is the actual fascist people wanted to believe trump was yep, way more than geeks like Hawley and Cotton
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cottons birthday cake diet seems to be paying off
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Zero_Grade posted:He can just sit out 2024 and see how things shake out if he wants. DeSantis is only 42, so we're gonna be stuck with his smug idiot face in politics for the next 20-30 years eh he's hosed as soon as large portions of beach-front property turn into artificial reefs
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Mustached Demon posted:eh he's hosed as soon as large portions of beach-front property turn into artificial reefs he'll blame the people whose homes go underwater and say they should have known better and the republicans will eat that up
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Shear Modulus posted:he'll blame the people whose homes go underwater and say they should have known better and the republicans will eat that up Money owns that property Don't piss off the money
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Jun 30, 2021 21:34
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cripple jokes from Donny are going to be icing on the 2024 cake
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Admiral Ray posted:This was my response to my turboTrump family but they say DeSantis is awesome. Many sides. alot of people are thinking that, but desantis has never been outside of his element at all. and maybe he never will be, but im not convinced he can hold it together.
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UFOTacoMan posted:For the Republican nomination for President??? i could see it, although allen west seems like an easier path
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Thoguh posted:You think Cotton isn't manly enough? Well, we can fix that. i know we've come along way with language and whatnot in the past twenty years but that video is gay af
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Thoguh posted:You think Cotton isn't manly enough? Well, we can fix that. That's impressive for Grassley given he's old as poo poo.
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