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ChesterJT
Dec 28, 2003

Mounty Pumper's Flying Circus

Umbreon posted:

Game was just fine for years

Were you playing something else?

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Incoming Chinchilla
Apr 2, 2010
I'm pretty new to the game, but i think the late flea is a good idea. Today's raids have been much more interesting than the late-wipe, one tap situation, so hopefully this change will extend that.

sum
Nov 15, 2010

The solution to making late-wipe raids fun is to severely nerf high tier equipment, not making toilet paper artificially valuable. There's not a single helmet IRL that will stop a full-power rifle round and it should be the same in Tarkov. Also, all those fancy attachments on real guns aren't installed from the factory for a reason. If you could be airholed running around in a million rubles of equipment by a dipshit running a 20000 ruble shotgun with hunting slugs then late game remains interesting for everyone.

Stux
Nov 17, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 13 hours!

sum posted:

The solution to making late-wipe raids fun is to severely nerf high tier equipment, not making toilet paper artificially valuable. There's not a single helmet IRL that will stop a full-power rifle round and it should be the same in Tarkov. Also, all those fancy attachments on real guns aren't installed from the factory for a reason. If you could be airholed running around in a million rubles of equipment by a dipshit running a 20000 ruble shotgun with hunting slugs then late game remains interesting for everyone.

:qq:

Mesadoram
Nov 4, 2009

Serious Business
Another tip, open up the guns on the vendors and examine the parts. When you examine the gun it doesn't do all of the individual parts as well.

"I know this is an AK-74u, but... what is this thing hanging out of it?"

:colbert:

Edit: You can middle click to examine to make it go quicker.

Double Edit: AquaFPS being super excited about his item being put in the game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56t_mOBJW1I&t=573s

Mesadoram fucked around with this message at 02:55 on Jul 1, 2021

sum
Nov 15, 2010

That's a good point it's good that the player count smashes into a brick wall once everyone collectively reaches the part of the game that Nikita ideally thinks Tarkov should be like all the time. You're right. I take it back. The problem is that the meta-game isn't tedious enough.

abigserve
Sep 13, 2009

this is a better avatar than what I had before
These changes feel like BSG wants the game to be about scavenging and struggling instead of a proto-milsim and to be honest - that sucks. if I wanted to be miserable and grind out collectibles I'd play an MMO.

Dr_0ctag0n
Apr 25, 2015


The whole human race
sentenced
to
burn
Matching in hell forever

Stux
Nov 17, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 13 hours!

sum posted:

That's a good point it's good that the player count smashes into a brick wall once everyone collectively reaches the part of the game that Nikita ideally thinks Tarkov should be like all the time. You're right. I take it back. The problem is that the meta-game isn't tedious enough.

i run pp-19s even when ppl are full sweat sounds lik youre just not very good.

abigserve posted:

These changes feel like BSG wants the game to be about scavenging and struggling instead of a proto-milsim

wow??????? really?????????? lol

1001 Arabian dicks
Sep 16, 2013

EVE ONLINE IS MY ENTIRE PERSONALITY BECAUSE IM A FRIENDLESS SEMILITERATE LOSER WHO WILL PEDANTICALLY DEMAND PROOF FOR BASIC THINGS LIKE GRAVITY OR THE EXISTENCE OF SELF. ASK ME ABOUT CHEATING AT TARKOV BECAUSE, WELL, SEE ABOVE
just fyi some maps/times have much better queues than other maps

ie night factory has put me into games consistently in under 3 minutes

sum
Nov 15, 2010

Stux posted:

i run pp-19s even when ppl are full sweat sounds lik youre just not very good.

I run whatever I want to run because I'm one of the players with more money than I know what to do with. It sounds like you think I have the opposite problem with Tarkov that I do

abigserve
Sep 13, 2009

this is a better avatar than what I had before

Stux posted:

wow??????? really?????????? lol

yeah sick game design there, load it up with cool guns, attachments and a realistic bullet and damage system then make the game about running around looking for hoses for a hundred hours to unlock any of it. Sweet!!!

1001 Arabian dicks
Sep 16, 2013

EVE ONLINE IS MY ENTIRE PERSONALITY BECAUSE IM A FRIENDLESS SEMILITERATE LOSER WHO WILL PEDANTICALLY DEMAND PROOF FOR BASIC THINGS LIKE GRAVITY OR THE EXISTENCE OF SELF. ASK ME ABOUT CHEATING AT TARKOV BECAUSE, WELL, SEE ABOVE
goons love to bitch so much all the time just shut up and play the game ok?

enter raid so i can kill u with my hacks

Stux
Nov 17, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 13 hours!

sum posted:

I run whatever I want to run because I'm one of the players with more money than I know what to do with. It sounds like you think I have the opposite problem with Tarkov that I do

stay mad. one day u will learn the power of aim.

abigserve posted:

yeah sick game design there, load it up with cool guns, attachments and a realistic bullet and damage system then make the game about running around looking for hoses for a hundred hours to unlock any of it. Sweet!!!

have u ever even looked at the description of the game on the website? hwo did you even get to the point of buying it lol just go play something else absolutely no one cares.

Orv
May 4, 2011

abigserve posted:

yeah sick game design there, load it up with cool guns, attachments and a realistic bullet and damage system then make the game about running around looking for hoses for a hundred hours to unlock any of it. Sweet!!!

Guess what the intent of the game has literally always been

ShowTime
Mar 28, 2005
That's one of problems with a game that's in beta for 4-5 years before releasing. It starts out one way but as they gradually build out the game, it changes. People are used to it being one way but as new features are implemented or fixed/changed, the game people thought they were playing turns into a game they didn't want to play. I feel kind of bad for people that paid $140 for a game they thought was something but it turns out to be something else.

Oh well, can't make everyone happy and don't think this is isolated to only a few of you. I imagine if you go on Reddit there are thousands of people that are upset with how the game is progressing.

abigserve
Sep 13, 2009

this is a better avatar than what I had before

ShowTime posted:

That's one of problems with a game that's in beta for 4-5 years before releasing. It starts out one way but as they gradually build out the game, it changes. People are used to it being one way but as new features are implemented or fixed/changed, the game people thought they were playing turns into a game they didn't want to play. I feel kind of bad for people that paid $140 for a game they thought was something but it turns out to be something else.

Oh well, can't make everyone happy and don't think this is isolated to only a few of you. I imagine if you go on Reddit there are thousands of people that are upset with how the game is progressing.

Bingo. These recent changes are literally the opposite of the way I want the game - the game that I paid for, that I own - to change. The last wipe was perfect for me, except the bitcoin stuff and even that was fine assuming regular, seasonal wipes.

Stux
Nov 17, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 13 hours!
theyve been extremely open and upfront about the direction for the game the entire time, and its only going to get more like it as time goes on

sum
Nov 15, 2010

Stux posted:

stay mad. one day u will learn the power of aim.

I'm talking about the metagame. That's the part of the game where there's menus and stuff. I'm not talking about the part of the game where you're walking around with the angry gun man looking for empty tin cans. I really hope you're just an extremely grating drunk and you're not this loving stupid all the time.

abigserve
Sep 13, 2009

this is a better avatar than what I had before
I guess more than ever this patch has reminded me that there's apparently a number of players that play tarkov to loot, which, to me, is a bigtime lol

edit; loot to play, not play to loot, namaste

Stux
Nov 17, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 13 hours!

sum posted:

I'm talking about the metagame. That's the part of the game where there's menus and stuff. I'm not talking about the part of the game where you're walking around with the angry gun man looking for empty tin cans. I really hope you're just an extremely grating drunk and you're not this loving stupid all the time.

cry more.

abigserve posted:

I guess more than ever this patch has reminded me that there's apparently a number of players that play tarkov to loot, which, to me, is a bigtime lol

edit; loot to play, not play to loot, namaste

one wouldl think before you click the button that says "preorder for Beta Access" you would perhahps read what it is a beta of and find out the aims of the game and its development. or you could just buy it without looking andn then complain in here about something that is a surprise to no one else.

Ice Fist
Jun 20, 2012

^^ Please send feedback to beefstache911@hotmail.com, this is not a joke that 'stache is the real deal. Serious assessments only. ^^

sum posted:

The solution to making late-wipe raids fun is to severely nerf high tier equipment, not making toilet paper artificially valuable. There's not a single helmet IRL that will stop a full-power rifle round and it should be the same in Tarkov.

Upper tier helmets are sort of a trap and are only really useful with high ricochet chances. They’ll only rarely save you from headshots.

I pretty much only wear a helmet to avoid reduce bullshit scav one taps. They’re only really immune to lovely ammo and pistol calibers which is what their irl purpose is anyways. Either way I don’t think I wore anything higher tier than a ULAACH all last wipe.

Also, the imbalance inherent in the game design is actually cool and good. Killing gearlords with poo poo equipment owns. Be like me and take budget poo poo in every raid but have a mag full of AP rounds and walk out with someone else’s poo poo.

ShowTime
Mar 28, 2005
There are definitely a lot of people who gain satisfaction from seeing a high rouble count and I have no idea why. I like to treat this game as like a persistent battle royale. Instead of going from lovely gear to amazing gear in one map, it takes place over several games. Instead of it all going away when the match ends, it rolls over.

Inspector_666
Oct 7, 2003

benny with the good hair
I like to play pretty gun dressup but I'm also very bad so I need all the mechanical assistance I can get.

EDIT: Last wipe did teach me that I am happier with "worse" stuff than I thought I was, though.

Inspector_666 fucked around with this message at 04:09 on Jul 1, 2021

hello internet
Sep 13, 2004

I think weapon durability is an interesting way to try to balance higher end ammo but I’m not sure how effective it will be when the people running top tier ammo have 40 million rubles and could effortlessly replace any gun every raid

Orv
May 4, 2011

abigserve posted:

Bingo. These recent changes are literally the opposite of the way I want the game - the game that I paid for, that I own - to change. The last wipe was perfect for me, except the bitcoin stuff and even that was fine assuming regular, seasonal wipes.

Honest question, when did you buy the game wanting that?

I'm curious how many people bought Tarkov wanting the run and gun, heavy gun porn arcade experience which has been sold by streamers for a while now (not saying that's where your interest in the game came from, it's just the most egregious source) and how many people have actually bought it for what it'll eventually become and has been pitched as, as well as was for the first few patches.

sum
Nov 15, 2010

Stux posted:

cry more.

If you post a photo of a doctor's note saying you have a functional liver I'll let you have my Tarkov account. loving weird angry loser. Pathetic.

Umbreon
May 21, 2011

ChesterJT posted:

Were you playing something else?


I've been playing since .6. Game was fine, you'll survive.

Captain Gordon
Jul 22, 2004

:10bux::10bux::10bux::10bux::10bux:

Dr_0ctag0n posted:

Matching in hell forever

In the client, turn off automatic server selection and manually tick every server under 100-120ms.

I was able to cut down 10+minute matching times to 2-3 or so.

abigserve
Sep 13, 2009

this is a better avatar than what I had before
BSG is fixing the scav karma system, thank god. I am glad that the community complained about a poo poo feature, so it's now being changed, instead of just accepting the bad features as intentional design

Orv
May 4, 2011

abigserve posted:

BSG is fixing the scav karma system, thank god. I am glad that the community complained about a poo poo feature, so it's now being changed, instead of just accepting the bad features as intentional design

Where was this said?

Hazamuth
May 9, 2007

the original bugsy

Snipped few hours off my sleep and leveled up to seven, got some quests done, some hideout upgrades, loads of kills and even some players. I really like this patch at the moment.

abigserve
Sep 13, 2009

this is a better avatar than what I had before

Orv posted:

Where was this said?

https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/ob9ur1/this_new_scav_system_is_a_joke/

BSG in the comments

Stux
Nov 17, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 13 hours!

abigserve posted:

BSG is fixing the scav karma system, thank god. I am glad that the community complained about a poo poo feature, so it's now being changed, instead of just accepting the bad features as intentional design

lol bet u wont like it once its "fixed" either

sum posted:

If you post a photo of a doctor's note saying you have a functional liver I'll let you have my Tarkov account. loving weird angry loser. Pathetic.

dont drink friend, maybe calm down a little :cheers:

ShowTime
Mar 28, 2005
I don't think fix means what people think it means. The scav system isn't going away, it's just being fixed to be working as intended.

Stux
Nov 17, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 13 hours!
yeah i took it to mean that you wont get a karma hit for killing a player scav who shoots you first, same thing they did for ai scav aggro

DrPop
Aug 22, 2004


The game is fun 👍

ChesterJT
Dec 28, 2003

Mounty Pumper's Flying Circus

Umbreon posted:

I've been playing since .6. Game was fine, you'll survive.

The game didn't even have relatively stable servers until a year ago. The bugs they've squashed in the last 6 months are the kinds of bugs a competent dev team would have handled three years ago. You're delusional. The game is in a much better place now. I'm not saying you couldn't get any fun out of the game or that it was a complete dumpster fire but there's no reason to put blinders on and act like it's been 5 years of bliss.

sum posted:

I really hope you're just an extremely grating drunk and you're not this loving stupid all the time.

I dont know about drunk but he's definitely a moron. I know he's pretty much every other post which is pathetic but I'd suggest just scrolling on by.

ChesterJT fucked around with this message at 13:16 on Jul 1, 2021

Stux
Nov 17, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 13 hours!
yeah better to read youre misery posting instead

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Phobeste
Apr 9, 2006

never, like, count out Touchdown Tom, man
These dumb asses have totally hosed their server design and it is very annoying, to me. How do you have load issues the first day of a wipe the same way it has been happening for like five years

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