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karmicknight
Aug 21, 2011

Wiz posted:

We're not going to add them if we don't feel they add to the game.

Is this what faith in someone's vision feels like.

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ANOTHER SCORCHER
Aug 12, 2018

king

DrSunshine
Mar 23, 2009

Did I just say that out loud~~?!!!

Takanago posted:

ok but imagine this:

:haibrower:

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

Takanago posted:

ok but imagine this:

c-spam: the game

DrSunshine
Mar 23, 2009

Did I just say that out loud~~?!!!

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

c-spam: the game

I refer you to this thread, and now I am hoping someone makes a mod for Victoria 3 eventually that is set in the 20th-21st centuries. :allears:

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
cyberpunk is the real gsg gap imo

taiwan and palestine make modern gsg impracticable and the mods themselves will be a shitshow because of this

but a pre stellar travel post planetary travel w megacorps dealio is ripe for a gsg

Kaza42
Oct 3, 2013

Blood and Souls and all that

bob dobbs is dead posted:

cyberpunk is the real gsg gap imo

taiwan and palestine make modern gsg impracticable and the mods themselves will be a shitshow because of this

but a pre stellar travel post planetary travel w megacorps dealio is ripe for a gsg

Well, any modern GSG is going to have to find a way to model NGOs and sub-state actors anyway, so Palestine can share a physical space with Israel and use that system unless a 2 state system is enacted in game. And I don't see any difficulties with Taiwan other than not being able to sell in China. But aren't most paradox games banned in china anyway?

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
hoi but not any others

anyhow 0 way to satisfy irredentists revanchists and nutjobs everywhere. better to set a dealio 2070-2170

Archduke Frantz Fanon
Sep 7, 2004

im really excited about the leaders of interest groups. peeps (as opposed to pops) were always a missing part of victoria

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

c-spam: the game

A comet was sighted!

-It is just an omen
-Study it, for science
-Tromp??

Hellioning
Jun 27, 2008

I imagine the leaders of interest groups will be a preview of 'this is who the president/prime minister will be in a democracy if this interest group wins' or 'this is who the head of state will be if this interest group leads a successful revolt', primarily, and since leaders are modeled, it makes some sense to model potential leaders.

But yes I do enjoy the little people.

Cheatum the Evil Midget
Sep 11, 2000
I COULDN'T BACK UP ANY OF MY ARGUEMENTS, IGNORE ME PLEASE.
Paradox only tacks on unnecessary whimsical systems for DLC, not idiot goons

Red Bones
Aug 9, 2012

"I think he's a bad enough person to stay ghost through his sheer love of child-killing."

A possible solution would just be to make Political parties purely a cosmetic detail. The game could just check which interest groups are in power in the government, check against a list of potential party names that fits the coalition of groups in power, then spit out an appropriate political party that appears on a menu and doesn't do anything.

Ghost of Mussolini
Jun 26, 2011

no that was the other guy this is wiz

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
the other big gap in gsg land which peeps were conjecturing would happen in the paradoxcon before we knew it was vicky3 was fantasy gsg.

one possible extremely elegant solution is just to have both cyberpunk and fantasy, and have shadowrun gsg. there's history written up to 2072 for it too

e-dt
Sep 16, 2019

Capfalcon
Apr 6, 2012

No Boots on the Ground,
Puny Mortals!

But can you grandfather people into suffrage?

Zeron
Oct 23, 2010
Awaiting the inevitable "only illiterate" suffrage mod. The ballot is write-in only.

Capfalcon
Apr 6, 2012

No Boots on the Ground,
Puny Mortals!

Zeron posted:

Awaiting the inevitable "only illiterate" suffrage mod. The ballot is write-in only.

Mr. X wins in a landslide.

hot cocoa on the couch
Dec 8, 2009

to properly vote, the voter must draw an obvious picture of the candidate. all future candidates begin wearing more and more outlandish hats and moustaches to be recognizable, and by the end of the era, drawings of candidates are just of moustache wearing an enormous hat

Takanago
Jun 2, 2007

You'll see...
I'm interested in how the nuances of the interest groups are going to play out like this. The Intelligentsia are probably going to be the most capital-L Liberal folks out there, right? Free* speech, free* elections, all that. I wonder how their interests might coincide or diverge from say, the Industrialists or the Petty Bourgeoisie.

(*Unless you're poor or socialist or whatever)

karmicknight
Aug 21, 2011
I need to be able to make corporately own klepostates and military juntas. I just need it.

wisconsingreg
Jan 13, 2019

Takanago posted:

I'm interested in how the nuances of the interest groups are going to play out like this. The Intelligentsia are probably going to be the most capital-L Liberal folks out there, right? Free* speech, free* elections, all that. I wonder how their interests might coincide or diverge from say, the Industrialists or the Petty Bourgeoisie.

(*Unless you're poor or socialist or whatever)

If the history of Europe is any indication, the intelligentsia will become socialist suicide bombers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narodnaya_Volya#The_Populist_background

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

I just hope political parties don't end up like the ethos factions in Stellaris. Very inflexible and try to boil down incredibly broad ideologies into a few unchanging hyper-specific demands that are the same every game regardless of the context. If Wiz and crew can figure out a dynamic political party system that always feels it makes sense given the mix of interests and current situation then I'm very excited. If they can't pull it off though, I'd rather they not.

karmicknight
Aug 21, 2011
Have you, uh, played Victoria 2?

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

karmicknight posted:

Have you, uh, played Victoria 2?

Never, VIP on Ricky for life. Smdh at the V2 fans

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

Maybe at least do some randomly generated ruler names. Larger than life head of states were kinda a big thing in the 19th century. It would add some flavor to the game to the game.

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

GABA ghoul posted:

Maybe at least do some randomly generated ruler names. Larger than life head of states were kinda a big thing in the 19th century. It would add some flavor to the game to the game.

Randomly generated from a list of WWE wrestlers.

karmicknight
Aug 21, 2011

PerniciousKnid posted:

Randomly generated from a list of WWE wrestlers.

Their names are very loving trash.

Cannot wait for hetman of the ukranian state Wes Lee.

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

karmicknight posted:

Their names are very loving trash.

Cannot wait for hetman of the ukranian state Wes Lee.

That's probably a better name than Skoropadskyi, even if it was hilariously accurate.
(A modern, likely inaccurate, reading would be something like "quick to fall").

wisconsingreg
Jan 13, 2019
Replaying around in Vicky II.

You know what I want? Better stats. I wish the end of the game offered more than "score in 1936."

I really liked how the early Total War games had that line graph where you could track the history of all the states. I think a more detailed end screen would be cool, especially as Vicky was one of the few Paradox games I regularly got to the "end" of

Communist Zombie
Nov 1, 2011
Yea! A change in demographics screen would be totally in theme!

Reveilled
Apr 19, 2007

Take up your rifles

Red Bones posted:

A possible solution would just be to make Political parties purely a cosmetic detail. The game could just check which interest groups are in power in the government, check against a list of potential party names that fits the coalition of groups in power, then spit out an appropriate political party that appears on a menu and doesn't do anything.

My half-baked idea would be that political parties might start off kind of like this, but become kind of "sticky" over time, where interest groups who want similar or compatible things that end up in government or out of government together gain a kind of affinity to one another, to make lasting allegiances where the industrialists and the intelligentsia are both in the Liberal Party and will be reluctant to make coalitions with groups from other factions. Maybe with mechanics to model the ebb and flow of partisanship, including pops potentially seeing themselves as Socialist Party members first and Trade Unionists second if partisanship is high.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

Vasukhani posted:

Replaying around in Vicky II.

You know what I want? Better stats. I wish the end of the game offered more than "score in 1936."

I really liked how the early Total War games had that line graph where you could track the history of all the states. I think a more detailed end screen would be cool, especially as Vicky was one of the few Paradox games I regularly got to the "end" of

Bring back the V1 end screen with the cartoons of various leaders.

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

Bring back the V1 end screen with the cartoons of various leaders.

:emptyquote:

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

Bring back the V1 end screen with the cartoons of various leaders.

Not sure what this means but I'm imagining a post game highlight reel with the counties personified as anime high school students.

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


PerniciousKnid posted:

Not sure what this means but I'm imagining a post game highlight reel with the counties personified as anime high school students.



I think there was something similar if you played to the end of the game, which was 1921 before you added the Revolutions expansion.

ThaumPenguin
Oct 9, 2013

https://twitter.com/Martin_Anward/status/1412773399240318979?s=19

fuck off Batman
Oct 14, 2013

Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah!



Nice, turning old clippers into beef and milk. Finally capitalist's love of clippers will pay off.

EDIT: Or into whale meat and whale oil, hmm...

fuck off Batman fucked around with this message at 15:13 on Jul 7, 2021

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

Vivian Darkbloom posted:



I think there was something similar if you played to the end of the game, which was 1921 before you added the Revolutions expansion.

I'd forgotten how out-of-scale Tsar Nicky and Louis Napoléon were

Also Big Kaiser

PerniciousKnid posted:

Not sure what this means but I'm imagining a post game highlight reel with the counties personified as anime high school students.

There will be a day one mod for this.

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MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.

gently caress off Batman posted:

Nice, turning old clippers into beef and milk. Finally capitalist's love of clippers will pay off.

EDIT: Or into whale meat and whale oil, hmm...

Finally, the animal horrors of MacQuarrie island in game form.

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