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Malcolm Excellent posted:Has the PC produced and game changing talent? I mean this question seriously. I cannot think of one Bianca
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the closest to someone thats almost PC only training thats "someone" is Charlotte even though she started on the end of the FCW days PC trained people that didnt have exposure in big indies or other big promotions on the "Main Roster": Elias MACE Mansoor Omos Reginald Riddick Moss Shanky Veer Alexa Bliss Charlotte Flair Dana Brooke Eva Marie Lacy Evans Mandy Rose Nia Jax Chad Gable Commander Azeez Dominik Mysterio(?) Montez Ford Otis Rick Boogs Bianca Belair Carmella Liv Morgan Sonya Deville KungFu Grip fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Jul 2, 2021 |
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Bianca and Alexa Bliss are probably the most notable 100% PC success stories, after that it's, like, Baron Corbin.
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CarlCX posted:Bianca and Alexa Bliss are probably the most notable 100% PC success stories, after that it's, like, Baron Corbin. corbin started in fcw
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Isn't Miro PC trained, not that it matters much given he's on another company
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SatoshiMiwa posted:Isn't Miro PC trained, not that it matters much given he's on another company again, fcw
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Miro trained with Rikishi, I believe, before FCW
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Even if the performance center was good at training the WWE machine values the brand over the talent so ultimately it would never matter
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Cael posted:Darius Rucker His name is either Darius Martin or Darius Rucker, and I really should know that. He's like this giant black guy, and he and the people who are part of his crew, I know that they call — or at least as of last year, they called themselves The Hoot Business. The Hoot Business. They sing songs, and they're like, 'We're cool.'
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Miro literally moved to America because he wanted to be a pro wrestler and yes, trained with Gangrel/Rikishi for a couple of years before signing his developmental deal with WWE/FCW. He wasn't a terribly high profile indie wrestler, but he should definitely count as "indie wrestler" compared to "recruiting outside athletes". Big E (recruited by Jim Ross) getting recruited with no real pro wrestling experience prior to developmental has to be pretty high on the "coming into WWE fresh" success list for the 21st century, though like Miro he spent most of his pre-main-roster time in FCW, not NXT, though some of that is academic. The "Performance Center" proper opened in 2013, a little under a year before FCW became NXT. So technically Big E was NXT champion, but had been called up to the main roster before they were fully based in The Performance Center.
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sportsgenius86 posted:Miro trained with Rikishi, I believe, before FCW Rikishi and Gangrel for what seems like only 3 years on the indies if Cagematch is anything to go by also I guess you can count Rhea Ripley as a PC product since she's so young in her career. current semi home grown wwe talent still in the company Lashley OVW Bray Wyatt FCW Drew McIntyre UK indies -> FCW Jeff Hardy Self Trained -> Funkin Dojo Kofi Kingston OVW The Miz OVW MVP Florida Indies -> DSW Randy Orton OVW R-Truth NWA Wildside -> MCW Sheamus UK indies - FCW Shelton Benjamin OVW Titus O'Neil FCW Naomi FCW Baron Corbin FCW Big E FCW Dolph Ziggler OVW Jey Uso FCW Jimmy Uso FCW Roman Reigns FCW Tamina FCW
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I wouldn't count OVW as homegrown myself considering that's its own training school and development that existed before and after its association with WWE.
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Edge & Christian posted:Miro literally moved to America because he wanted to be a pro wrestler and yes, trained with Gangrel/Rikishi for a couple of years before signing his developmental deal with WWE/FCW. He wasn't a terribly high profile indie wrestler, but he should definitely count as "indie wrestler" compared to "recruiting outside athletes". JR is probably the best recruiter or one of the best ever if you look at how successful his guys were, I mean we're talking at least 3 of the biggest draws ever Jim scouted. He was right about Big E too. I hope he can recruit for AEW too.
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You have to think annual overhead for running the PC is in the 7 figures when you count trainers, medical/physio staff, building staff, plus maintenance, utilities, etc. That's before you add in the contracts for all the PC trainees who aren't regularly working NXT. WWE owns the building so that's an asset but the overhead costs are probably going to be slashed.
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ovw and fcw should count as the performance center. wwe hired and taught all the trainers how to do their job
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funnier list is PC Trained wrestlers currently on NXT TV Ashante Thee Adonis Boa Desomond Troy (job guy) Top Dolla Aliyah B-Fab (hasnt wrestled yet i think) Jessi Kamea Kacy Catanzaro Raquel González Xia Li i thought Zoey Starks was one but she's been wrestling since 2013
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In theory a performance center is a great idea but they use it to break people's spirit and make wrestlers bland. If it was a place with all the same resources but coaching staff that was allowed to teach different things in different ways and encourage talent to make what they already do great better it'd be awesome. I think after Dusty died it went full on mass production soullessness.
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That seems true because even people with indie experience like Sami, Cesaro, Rollins, Ambrose, Bayley, Sasha, Becky etc all said Dusty helped them focus on stuff that WWE wanted and some character that wasn't just who they were on the indies. but also again, FCW and early PC trainees
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The problem (though not really a problem as far as WWE sees it) is that the PC spits out people who all wrestle the same no matter who they're really coached by. In AEW, you can see a difference in the Nightmare Factory trainees and the Create a Pro trainees. And even within that group, Create a Pro trainees don't all wrestle like eachother.
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Yeah it's a factory cranking out bland template wrestlers who wrestle bland template matches with create-a-wrestler names
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I was someone that believed AEW would push WWE to try, boy was I wrong as hell. But also why the gently caress won’t they try? Like even if I had everything I ever wanted i’d still want to do poo poo and be creative, how do you just lose the will to create like that.
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Eat My Fuc posted:I was someone that believed AEW would push WWE to try, boy was I wrong as hell. But also why the gently caress won’t they try? Like even if I had everything I ever wanted i’d still want to do poo poo and be creative, how do you just lose the will to create like that. I mean you know the answer - if you're making record profits year after year putting out the blandest most creatively bankrupt hours of content you can come up with that is only being seen on like a D tier streaming service and like one fifth of the viewers on cable compared to five years ago why bother trying? He's as old of the crypt keeper and he's got mush brain - the trying days are long over Vince lost the motivation to be even a decent human being in his younger days - why would he be motivated to be creative as an even more bitter old man Edit: Also when you surround yourself with boot licking yes men that call you a genius for everything you do you're never going to think otherwise Orange Carlisle fucked around with this message at 03:04 on Jul 2, 2021 |
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KungFu Grip posted:current semi home grown wwe talent still in the company Put it another way, if Cody (or Tay Conti) re-signs with WWE in five years and this time they push them like a star/main eventer, do they still count as "home grown WWE talent"?
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Cael posted:Darius Rucker
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Eat My Fuc posted:I was someone that believed AEW would push WWE to try, boy was I wrong as hell. But also why the gently caress won’t they try? Like even if I had everything I ever wanted i’d still want to do poo poo and be creative, how do you just lose the will to create like that. There are people in WWE who want to try and be creative but they’re not the ones in charge. The ones in charge are making money hand over fist so why would they want to change what’s working for them?
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Just wait till someone tells Khan they have another separate training center in the UK
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Cael posted:Darius Rucker
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Pinche Rudo posted:Just wait till someone tells Khan they have another separate training center in the UK To be fair the UK Performance Center has been working on advanced name generation technology that is key to WWE’s strategy
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CarlCX posted:Bianca and Alexa Bliss are probably the most notable 100% PC success stories, after that it's, like, Baron Corbin. Corbin is better than Alexa Bliss.
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Braun was 100% a PErformance centre guy right?
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Eat My Fuc posted:In theory a performance center is a great idea but they use it to break people's spirit and make wrestlers bland. If it was a place with all the same resources but coaching staff that was allowed to teach different things in different ways and encourage talent to make what they already do great better it'd be awesome. I think after Dusty died it went full on mass production soullessness. Thinking back to one of those documentaries where Sasha or Bayley said that Sara Del Ray was the only person who was interested in teaching the women to actually wrestle a match and she'd get talked down to by every other trainer who told them to just concentrate on slaps and hair-pulls.
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Cavauro posted:hairius sucker provocative
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Penguin Patrol posted:His name is either Darius Martin or Darius Rucker, and I really should know that. He's like this giant black guy, and he and the people who are part of his crew, I know that they call — or at least as of last year, they called themselves The Hoot Business. The Hoot Business. They sing songs, and they're like, 'We're cool.' - President Donald J. Trump
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Seams posted:Braun was 100% a PErformance centre guy right? 100% performance center, 0% knees. In this case, correlation is causality.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_premature_professional_wrestling_deaths
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sorry that link isn't really relevant. im just kind of unhappy you know, life didn't turn out how i wanted it to and its too late to do anything about it. and what I'm gonna take it out on yall? thats no reason to yuck your yum. i know things didnt turn out well for you if youre here e: people you personally killed(WIP) 
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What
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really had a good time reading, "yuck your yum" again. been a hwhile and it's just as offputting as i remembered. give me a call
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Shard posted:What
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