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Son of Rodney posted:a white, blonde, middle aged woman who works there and said at the first meeting "this is my first time in a position like this so let's see what we can do!" German MILF porn, I'm in!
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Son of Rodney posted:On the topic of diversity, a friend works at an IT company that is relatively diverse. She's from Russia, there's people working from more than 10 different nationalities, we're in Germany. They recently decided to take diversity more serious and appointed a diversity manager to, you know, improve how it's handled in the company. I didn't really care for my last job but one thing that I really loved about it was the fact that I worked in an office with people from all over Europe. It was like working at the UN. I was the only American in the office and that was really humbling. I try to be low key and open minded but my colleagues really forced me to understand a lot of things about the world that Americans are sort of aware of or not aware of at all. Honestly it changed my whole perspective of how the world views the US and gave me a lot of insight into things that I previously knew nothing about.
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Jul 2, 2021 08:56
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AHH F/UGH posted:#2 - They said it's required to move to New Jersey. I told him sorry, not happening. We made some obligatory small talk and then awkwardly hung up, knowing that we'll probably never talk to each other ever again. Single serving boss.
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Local Weather posted:I didn't really care for my last job but one thing that I really loved about it was the fact that I worked in an office with people from all over Europe. It was like working at the UN. I was the only American in the office and that was really humbling. I try to be low key and open minded but my colleagues really forced me to understand a lot of things about the world that Americans are sort of aware of or not aware of at all. Honestly it changed my whole perspective of how the world views the US and gave me a lot of insight into things that I previously knew nothing about. Like what
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Jul 2, 2021 11:40
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Poil posted:Write on your application that you're willing to move and when they ask about it you can say you're transitioning to not moving.
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Jul 2, 2021 11:56
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Zzulu posted:Like what A lot of what we're brought up with (America is the greatest country in the world on repeat every loving day) is actually harmful and weird. American gun laws are completely insane. America is not seen as the good guy and hasn't been for quite some time. That being said, Americans aren't as hated overseas as people think, but we're kind of arrogant (it's beaten into us, see the first point) and sometimes we say things that sound really bad without realizing it. Like, when someone tells you what country their from, don't bust out the map app to see where it is, that can be seen as insulting. They all know where you're from, look up the obscure former SSRs later. American diplomacy includes things that most of us are completely in the dark about. When the previous administration gutted the State Department they had no idea, like most Americans, of the lasting harm they're doing. Our embassies in a lot of countries have a lot of influence, more than it's ever admitted in the media. My old boss got a full scholarship to an Oxford MBA from the US government through some aid program. America is rich. You might not think it's rich because of your own personal situation but just watch TV for a while and see what is advertised then watch TV in a foreign country and see what is advertised. Big difference. I was talking to my old tech lead about how tough it was living on minimum wage while I was in my early 20's, she tells me about her early 20's where her country's government completely collapsed and they didn't even have a currency for a few years. It's just an adjustment of attitude. Being the outsider/foreigner isn't something most white Americans get to experience, you have to learn how to navigate it.
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Jul 2, 2021 13:19
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Spatule posted:German MILF porn, I'm in! I would say that the distinct lack of German MILF porn is something dumb that my work is currently doing. Something else dumb that my work is doing is bringing back a lovely retired guy to work, because we're so short staffed. Even years before retirement, this guy was phoning poo poo in, and he has steadfastly refused to learn any kind of computer literacy. When he retired, I thought I wouldn't have to suffer through working with him anymore, but here we are, because they can't hire new people fast enough. Here's an anecdote on how bad this guy is. I work in security, and we do nighttime alarm response for lots of big buildings. Standard procedure when responding to an alarm call is: - Do a walk around the outside of the building, make sure poo poo is locked up, and see if there's any signs of forced entry. - Go inside, turn off the alarm system, and see if you can figure out what set off the alarm. (50% of the time, it's something stupid like somebody left a fan on at their desk, and the leaves of their plant were waving just enough to trigger the motion sensor. 49% of the time, it's a glitch in the alarm system. The other 1% is a real break in.) - Turn the alarm back on, lock up, and report your findings. So rear end in a top hat gets sent out to check a building where the motion sensor at the front door went off. He gets there, pulling in to the loading dock at the back, and radios that he's on site, starting his check. About fifteen minutes later, he calls in saying everything looks tight, he's going in. Okay, so far so good. Twenty minutes go by, and he reports that the alarm must be a glitch, because it won't clear, so he has to bypass that part of the building on the alarm panel in order to arm up. Weird, but okay. Cut to the next morning, when the building owner calls up, foaming at the mouth with rage. It turns out that it hadn't been a glitch. The REAL cause of the motion alarm, was that somebody had driven a goddamn car into the front of the building. So rear end in a top hat had just sat in the car instead of walking around. Then instead of doing his inside check, he just hosed around on his phone until he figured it had been long enough. I don't know how he kept his job, unless he had some serious dirt on someone. But it wasn't the first or last gently caress up. So, yeah I had been looking forward to not seeing him again, but here he is again.
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Jul 2, 2021 14:13
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Spatule posted:German MILF porn, I'm in! That's a hostile work environment!
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Jul 2, 2021 14:22
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The Zombie Guy posted:So rear end in a top hat gets sent out to check a building where the motion sensor at the front door went off. He gets there, pulling in to the loading dock at the back, and radios that he's on site, starting his check. About fifteen minutes later, he calls in saying everything looks tight, he's going in. Okay, so far so good. Twenty minutes go by, and he reports that the alarm must be a glitch, because it won't clear, so he has to bypass that part of the building on the alarm panel in order to arm up. Weird, but okay. Wow that's pretty bad. Was the crashed car an accident or someone trying to ram the door? When I worked retail in a big box store after closing you had to be buzzed out a door and in case someone was lurking outside they posted a guy in his car with a view of the door and would radio him to make sure it was clear before opening the door. One time when he failed to respond multiple manager ran outside in case he was in danger and found him sound asleep.
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Jul 2, 2021 15:48
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Your mistake here is assuming they'll want to come back at all. Making a return to the office inevitable is going to cost you talent as quickly as making it immediate. I should have also added "too frequently". Our current plan for software people is to be in the office for a couple days once per quarter, and yes I know that people will leave even because of that. One of the things I want to try to coach them on is to get out in front of this. Instead of putting a RTO plan in place and waiting to see what happens, get a pulse for how people will react to this in advance.
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Jul 2, 2021 16:28
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Elephant Ambush posted:I should have also added "too frequently". Our current plan for software people is to be in the office for a couple days once per quarter, and yes I know that people will leave even because of that. Oh yeah it's surprising my MegaCorp is allowing any permanent WFH at all after years of dismissive statements like "well our retail workers can't WFH so it wouldn't be fair!" Our retail workers can afford to live half a mile from their jobs while we can't as you plopped the HQ in a nimby suburb where a million bucks buys a condo.
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Jul 2, 2021 16:45
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mobby_6kl posted:That's a hostile work environment! that's the point
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Jul 2, 2021 17:34
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Hyrax Attack! posted:it wouldn't be fair Jesus I hate this argument. We all have different jobs. I need peace and quiet, and a giant monitor. I don't care that Karen from HR will be jealous. I also have conf. calls at 5AM and 10PM so nooo, I won't badge in and out and be at the office every day, suck my dick. My division wiped the floor last year, IDGAF the others sucked balls, I want my full bonus. Anyway, it's back to the office next month, so I'm quitting. I have two offers out of three applications I sent, both better paid and fully remote. Did I mention suck my diiiiiick? It's only fair.
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Jul 2, 2021 17:41
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Elephant Ambush posted:I should have also added "too frequently". Our current plan for software people is to be in the office for a couple days once per quarter, and yes I know that people will leave even because of that. I think having a couple in-person events per year isn't going to break anyone's back so long as COVID is over. If someone told me to show up for a team meeting next quarter, even though I'm fully vaccinated, I would find a reason not to go but I wouldn't be looking for a new job. The really fun thing about the pandemic and work from home requirements is that two year's worth of new employees are now used to not coming to an office. That's everyone from veterans making a mid career change to fresh-out-of-college new hires who maybe worked internships before, but otherwise only know WFH. I get the feeling there's a concern in a few companies that they'll gently caress up the return to office process for these people and lose the "future" of the company.
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Jul 2, 2021 17:56
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Oh yeah it's surprising my MegaCorp is allowing any permanent WFH at all after years of dismissive statements like "well our retail workers can't WFH so it wouldn't be fair!" Our retail workers can afford to live half a mile from their jobs while we can't as you plopped the HQ in a nimby suburb where a million bucks buys a condo. I wonder if the executives who get to expense thousands of dollars on home office equipment considered fairness for other workers..... hhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I wonder.....
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Jul 2, 2021 18:03
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Armauk posted:Even if one were to work from home, aren't there draconian monitoring services these big, tough boys would have no problem spending money on to make their remote workforce isn't "wasting time?" We've been using BlueOptima, which measures productivity over time by analyzing code in repository commits. It has proven that our workforce has been more productive during WFH, yet we're just ITCHIN to get people back in the office because ???
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Jul 3, 2021 01:18
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SubnormalityStairs posted:We've been using BlueOptima, which measures productivity over time by analyzing code in repository commits. What....? How does that even work? Measurements must be flawed.
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Jul 3, 2021 02:00
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Everyone is working from home here, profitability and sales are way the hell up, everything is going incredibly well and bonuses are high. We've got to go back to the way things were before! We've got to get back into the office, like how it was when the company was hemorrhaging money! It all makes so much sense!
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Jul 3, 2021 04:34
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People are scared *shitless* that someone could get their work done and have enough downtime to just enjoy life or get ahead on some other projects, so instead they want to waste everyone's time by having everyone come in at 8 and faff around all day while looking busy. "BUT HOW CAN WE PAY THEM IF WE DON'T KNOW THEY'RE ACTUALLY WORKING THE WHOLE TIME!!!!!"
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Jul 3, 2021 05:09
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My job literally can’t be done from home but I could do all my work in 32 hours instead of 40. Like for two hours at the end of last week I’ve sat in an empty warehouse.
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Jul 3, 2021 06:00
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Ugly In The Morning posted:My job literally can’t be done from home but I could do all my work in 32 hours instead of 40. Like for two hours at the end of last week I’ve sat in an empty warehouse. Sounds like someone needs to be given more work. Same pay.
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Jul 3, 2021 06:26
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Duck and Cover posted:Sounds like someone needs to be given more work. Same pay. Honestly, I really enjoy my work, I just hate my job. I work EHS, where I solve fun and interesting problems wherever they pop up and take over emergency situations. The 2 hours a day with nothing to do are the worst parts of my work week. Not because I feel guilty that I’m not making value for an overvalued hell company, but because I’m bored. I don’t even have to be here,I own a small business that does very well for me and lets me pay the hell out of my employees, I just have long term goals to get to solve even more fun and interesting problems. loving A I miss construction safety. E: hell, I used to have nothing to do working nights for a giant construction company but they knew that and let me bring my Switch in or take a nap while paying me ~18 an hour more. This is just “look busy or else” misery. Ugly In The Morning fucked around with this message at 08:26 on Jul 3, 2021 |
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SubnormalityStairs posted:We've been using BlueOptima, which measures productivity over time by analyzing code in repository commits. It has proven that our workforce has been more productive during WFH, yet we're just ITCHIN to get people back in the office because ??? COLLABORATION
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Jul 3, 2021 12:38
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Having any kind of productivity measurement is such a capitalist hellworld garbage, I'm very glad that this has gone by me so far.
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Armauk posted:What....? How does that even work? Measurements must be flawed. It appears to have some fairly sophisticated algorithms for gauging code complexity and contribution. Having carefully examined the results for my team, I found that it's accurate under typical situations but, as you suggest, fails miserably at outliers (do a significant portion of your work in an IDE that writes to proprietary files and not code files? Well congrats, you're hosed!). I liken it to BMI: not terribly useful for individuals, but insightful for larger sample sizes over time. Across the organization, we saw dips where we expected (Christmas vacations, immediately after a 2-month furlough). edit: in the end, my recommendation was "don't buy"... if I really really need to know how productive somebody has been, I can look at their dang commits. edit again: I misunderstood Enfys' post, like super badly Tinestram fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Jul 3, 2021 |
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Enfys posted:COLLABORATION For some types of work this is actually true, the problem is that it's not worth the trade-off of unhappy workers, the best of whom will leave. The other problem is that "collaboration" is a lie used to justify the real underlying reasons for wanting people back in an office. Some of them are at least a little understandable like "we have to continue to pay the lease on this empty building we're not using for two more years" but again it's not going to be worth all that money to try to get people back there. Just suck up the cost so your best workers don't leave for other, less lovely places.
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Spatial posted:Everyone is working from home here, profitability and sales are way the hell up, everything is going incredibly well and bonuses are high. It's so managers can manage. They want people at the office full time so they can exercise the limited authority they have. When workers are remote, there's no control.
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Jul 3, 2021 17:57
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Armauk posted:It's so managers can manage. They want people at the office full time so they can exercise the limited authority they have. When workers are remote, there's no control. How else are these managers going to live out their lovely authoritarian fantasy?
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Armauk posted:It's so managers can manage. They want people at the office full time so they can exercise the limited authority they have. When workers are remote, there's no control. I can only go from my own experience, but I don't think it's the jr managers who want this, by and large. My job is easier remote, actually. Unless you're getting physically confrontational with people or literally looking over their shoulders, there's no substantial difference between managing remotely and managing in person. I suppose you may have an easier time reading body language, but I don't presume blind people can't manage.
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Shen Long posted:How else are these managers going to live out their lovely authoritarian fantasy? But I don’t understand why managers give a gently caress? Don’t they realise that they are also a cog in an uncaring machine, and that as long as the tasks are accomplished, it doesn’t matter how long it takes or where it is done?
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Scientastic posted:But I don’t understand why managers give a gently caress? Don’t they realise that they are also a cog in an uncaring machine, and that as long as the tasks are accomplished, it doesn’t matter how long it takes or where it is done? Yeah, this, I don't get it either. But just like power-hungry assholes become cops, there are probably lots of power-hungry assholes who become managers specifically so they can lord their power over their minions.
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Scientastic posted:But I don’t understand why managers give a gently caress? Don’t they realise that they are also a cog in an uncaring machine, and that as long as the tasks are accomplished, it doesn’t matter how long it takes or where it is done? Probably because they mostly don't do anything but bother people all day and realize that if someone looks at their PC and how long they actually spend working they'll be out of a job. Can't blow a week picking clip art for the pizza party if there are no pizza parties.
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SubnormalityStairs posted:It appears to have some fairly sophisticated algorithms for gauging code complexity and contribution. I wonder how it’d like all the blood-red delete commits I’m gearing up to do.  I’m picturing a manager getting a report and gasping “Blue Moonlight has negative productivity! He’s deleting all the productivity we’ve invested in over the years!” Elephant Ambush posted:The other problem is that "collaboration" is a lie used to justify the real underlying reasons for wanting people back in an office. The thing about the collaboration lie is that it gets more insulting the more you think about it. Anything worth “collaborating” on is worth documenting and communicating broadly, which enables remote contribution as well as contribution from such distinct and varied groups as “people who weren’t walking by the whiteboard at 1:37 PM”, “coworkers on vacation,” “those who were double-booked for a meeting,” and “people busy collaborating with someone else at the time.” Scientastic posted:But I don’t understand why managers give a gently caress? Don’t they realise that they are also a cog in an uncaring machine, and that as long as the tasks are accomplished, it doesn’t matter how long it takes or where it is done? Some people live to be the bigger cog.
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Blue Moonlight posted:I wonder how it’d like all the blood-red delete commits I’m gearing up to do. Lol, just lol if you don't delete exactly half of your codebase on a random basis with the commit message of "perfectly balanced"
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I'm curious - have you all not noticed an awful training gap emerging with new hires during WFH? We work in teams of 2-3 people that change around every few weeks, so there would always be someone to take questions and look over the new guys' shoulders. It always worked fine in person. Remotely, no matter how many catch up calls we have and no matter how many new-guy queries we answer, they just don't get it. Jan joiners are still shocking six months on. They don't have the casual exposure to what more senior staff do, so they never gain an understanding of how our work fits together beyond 'put number in spreadsheet'. I try to explain and management try to run training but who knows if it sinks in! Not my job to oversee training but I do get to pick up all the work they don't finish...
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If anything, we’ve had the opposite. The training used to be “yeah, yeah, your manager will sort something out”, whereas now we have a whole suite of virtual training calls and we make sure people actually know what our company does before we unleash them on the unsuspecting public.
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I led a training class for a pre-COVID WFH tech support call center a few years back and it was definitely challenging not being able to see faces to judge engagement (voice/chat only, no video).
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Scientastic posted:But I don’t understand why managers give a gently caress? Don’t they realise that they are also a cog in an uncaring machine, and that as long as the tasks are accomplished, it doesn’t matter how long it takes or where it is done? For a nontrivial fraction of managers, "getting to exercise authority and feel good about it" is a significant part of their compensation. To such people, wfh is like getting a pay cut. Only they can't *say* that, so...
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Jul 4, 2021 01:02
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remote work and a 4-day work week. these are my demands.
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thathonkey posted:remote work and a 4-day work week. these are my demands. Seriously, that'd be the loving best
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