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Gonna go and register Exxon... uh, oh hmm. OK then, BP... uh. Huh, look at that. Alright, I know, Monsantooooh drat. Pinkertons? Gosh, yuck. Oh! Enron, surely... woah. I'm getting the impression that being widely reviled isn't always fatal to a brand!
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Leperflesh posted:Gonna go and register Exxon... uh, oh hmm. OK then, BP... uh. Huh, look at that. Alright, I know, Monsantooooh drat. Pinkertons? Gosh, yuck. Search is expired.
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homullus posted:There are worse ideas! https://www.theeastindiacompany.com/ The new East India Company is owned by an Indian-born British business guy, for maximum weirdness.
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Arivia posted:Search is expired. Of course the US patent and trademark office's trademark search tool doesn't create URLs you can re-use, I mean, why in the gently caress would anyone want that??? 1. https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/ 2. click Basic Word Mark Search (New User) 3. type "ENRON" into the Search Term box and click Submit Query 4. Note the topmost entry is LIVE, indicating a non-expired trademark. Click E ENRON in the Word Mark column. result:  The Enron trademarked logo is currently a live trademark registered by "The College Company LLC DBA Pre-Internet LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY ARKANSAS 1671 S Colonnade Dr Apt 301 Fayetteville ARKANSAS 72701", and the product category is for "IC 025. US 022 039. G & S: Shirts; Shirts and short-sleeved shirts; Polo shirts; T-shirts; Tee shirts". Which is  and I was hoping some folks would think someone was running a business using this logo rather than trademarking it in order to be the exclusive provider of t-shirts bearing this logo, lol.
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TG As An Industry: Shirts; Shirts and short-sleeved shirts; Polo shirts; T-shirts; Tee shirts
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Shot: Chaser:  e; for additional context, so far as I'm aware Ernie Gygax has never publicly stated that they're autistic, so there's a very good chance that whoever has been running TSR's twitter just outed them for a clapback
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And, because you reap what you sow, 95% of the comments responding to the change are very angrily berating them for "bending a knee to the woke crowd".
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Kai Tave posted:Shot: There's also an additional layer of shittiness beyond just the outing for fake Internet points. Speaking as an autist, many people tend to be covert about being neurodivergent due to the fact that a lot of people end up treating them differently. Even if someone has obvious 'tells' in not being neurotypical, sometimes it can be brushed off as being 'off' or eccentric. There are people who will view you in a new light if they find out you're autistic, so some people will try to avoid this happening in the first place. Ernie's claims and reactions are his own to bear, for good or ill. What LaNasa is doing is trying to get people to 1.) associate bigoted statements with the autistic community and 2.) put Ernie in an even tougher spot because people ARE going to treat him like a mental invalid with no filter as a result of #1. Framing any criticism as 'picking on him' also removes agency from Ernie and the consequences of his actions, infantilizing him further. Granted, I doubt Ernie's going to get many business opportunities in tabletop regardless, but it is going to create a new set of complications in his life even among the chud demographic that LaNasa's trying to appeal to. On the off-chance that some edgy reactionary gamer wants to do business with nu-TSR, they're going to think "uh oh, Ernie's brain isn't working right, I should approach LaNasa instead." Libertad! fucked around with this message at 07:12 on Jul 2, 2021 |
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This is all very true, and several people on twitter also made some good threads to this extent. It's fractally lovely all the way down.
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From the way Ernie talked, typed, and seeing him in video a few times, I did get the feeling that he was on the Spectrum. (As one also on it). While I have matured past it a fair amount, in the past I also had similar opinions that he expressed in the past. Things like "who cares about the politics, and what people have done, lets just play games and talk about them." It's a very naïve view, and I hope he matures.
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Libertad! posted:. Yeah. We’re capable of understanding the consequences of our actions and being responsible for what we say and do: we’re not criminally insane.
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MonsterEnvy posted:From the way Ernie talked, typed, and seeing him in video a few times, I did get the feeling that he was on the Spectrum. (As one also on it). While I have matured past it a fair amount, in the past I also had similar opinions that he expressed in the past. Things like "who cares about the politics, and what people have done, lets just play games and talk about them." It's a very naïve view, and I hope he matures. Being an rear end in a top hat is unrelated to being on the spectrum.
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Suggesting a hope that a sixty-year-old man matures out of his bigotry isn't exactly not infantilizing people on the autism spectrum.
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Libertad! posted:Ernie's claims and reactions are his own to bear, for good or ill. What LaNasa is doing is trying to get people to 1.) associate bigoted statements with the autistic community and 2.) put Ernie in an even tougher spot because people ARE going to treat him like a mental invalid with no filter as a result of #1. Framing any criticism as 'picking on him' also removes agency from Ernie and the consequences of his actions, infantilizing him further. I doubt that LaNasa has thought this through to that extent. This seems more like dude thinks he found an "I win" button, like so many similar "Aha, you have now criticized one of the taboo targets!" statements made by anti-SJW types because they don't really understand why they're "not allowed" to talk poo poo about minority groups. MonsterEnvy posted:From the way Ernie talked, typed, and seeing him in video a few times, I did get the feeling that he was on the Spectrum. (As one also on it). While I have matured past it a fair amount, in the past I also had similar opinions that he expressed in the past. Things like "who cares about the politics, and what people have done, lets just play games and talk about them." It's a very naïve view, and I hope he matures. I don't think being super sheltered by privilege is really an autism thing so much as just "Please stop bringing up things that make me uncomfortable in my escapist hobby." Though honestly I would not be surprised that the offspring of a dude who made a career out of codifying adventure combat into a bunch of numbers has autism. E: neongrey posted:Suggesting a hope that a sixty-year-old man matures out of his bigotry isn't exactly not infantilizing people on the autism spectrum. ...do you think that people stop being able to mature as they age or something?
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Puppy Time posted:Though honestly I would not be surprised that the offspring of a dude who made a career out of codifying adventure combat into a bunch of numbers has autism. Hey could you loving not?
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Puppy Time posted:...do you think that people stop being able to mature as they age or something?
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Maturing is when you get a bit crusty and smell weirder, right? Let's not let Ernie Gygaxson being a poo poo and possibly on the autism spectrum distract us from the real issue, which is LaNasa being a complete poo poo trying to kick even his mates under the bus to get himself some culture war attention. gently caress them both.
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Yeah, I think 'who has autism and what it means' chat isn't particularly relevant to this thread -- we can say Ernie G is a bigot without needing to dig any deeper than that.
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Mors Rattus posted:Being an rear end in a top hat is unrelated to being on the spectrum. Oh indeed, I just hope he can grow out of it. But I don't have much hope for him, he will probably be a jerk until he dies.
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potatocubed posted:Yeah, I think 'who has autism and what it means' chat isn't particularly relevant to this thread -- we can say Ernie G is a bigot without needing to dig any deeper than that. Yeah I want to be clear I didn't post any of that to be like "ah yes, this casual accusatory diagnosis of autism explains why Ernie Gygax is a toolbox" or whatever because that sucks for all the reasons given, I posted it because A). wow what an exceptionally lovely thing for the TSR handler (LaNasa seems to be the obvious culprit but who knows) to do even compared to all the other lovely things they've been doing, and B). the fact that it was so lovely that TSR is at the very least pretending to now have an actual social media guy taking over.
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Puppy Time posted:Though honestly I would not be surprised that the offspring of a dude who made a career out of codifying adventure combat into a bunch of numbers has autism. Actually, we don't know he does have autism! That's just a new-TSR employee claiming that. Ernie himself hasn't used that excuse to my knowledge, its equally possible they were doing the ol' "actually, I'm a not-visibly obvious minority so in fact, by criticizing me, you have in fact, done a bigot" trick. He just may, but if he is, he hasn't felt the need to be a shithead and claim it, his excuses for his behavior I've seen have been: - my mom raised me christian - people mocked me when I was a teenager for playing army mans and this TSR employee(fired) -ernie actually has autism, so therefore...
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Ernie and LaNasa epitomizing the "I'm going to create an X so toxic" where X is brand. Meanwhile: source
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^^^ I googled solarian and the first result is some kind of nonbinary male-aligned gender setup and I'm wondering whether they knew this and are doing some kind of weird chess move or not. TheDiceMustRoll posted:Actually, we don't know he does have autism! That's just a new-TSR employee claiming that. Oh, word, I'm just saying I've known a lot of people on the spectrum who were super into getting down and dirty with the crunchy stuff in RPGs and the like, so if it turned out that any of the Gygax kids were (given heredity of autism), I'd just be like, "Yeah, that tracks." Puppy Time fucked around with this message at 06:29 on Jul 3, 2021 |
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Did Merle Rasmussen threaten to do them like Tito did Stalin or what, that's a pretty abrupt turnaround.
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Nessus posted:Did Merle Rasmussen threaten to do them like Tito did Stalin or what, that's a pretty abrupt turnaround. I'm not quite sure I understand everything here, but TSRGames/Solarian (no underscore) is a prior holder, mostly unrelated to Ernie Gygax (he did write some columns in the early issues of their "Gygax Magazine" product): https://twitter.com/TSRgames/status/1408199010104479746. I don't know them but their Twitter history makes them seem like reasonably decent, not-terrible people. TSR_Games (with underscore) is Ernie's and LaNasa's clusterfuck and is still using the TSR name. Looks like the mess just got toxic enough that TSRGames/Solarian decided to cut out the gangrene and move on. e: some further discussion on their thoughts here? https://twitter.com/TSRgames/status/1411030377485897730 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXHafHlwKWg
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Comrade Koba posted:So New TSR (not affiliated with original TSR) changed their name so as not to be associated with Gygax-adjacent I Can’t Believe It’s Not TSR (also not affiliated with original TSR)? Yup, even though N-TSR(nawoTSR) took up the name first.
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Oh poo poo I thought it was the Gygax dudes. This makes a lot more sense now.
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DalaranJ posted:Okay, wait, does someone actually own the trademark for TSR, because you have to defend those and this situation is becoming pretty blurry. Yes, Ernie_TSR does, after TopSecret_TSR let it lapse for a year
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DalaranJ posted:Okay, wait, does someone actually own the trademark for TSR, because you have to defend those and this situation is becoming pretty blurry. The Ernie Gygax crew sniped the trademark rights out from under the now-Solarian Games, who missed a filing date to maintain control of it. The tweet from before (and above) said Solarian could take it to court and probably win a lawsuit, but they don't have the funds to do so. They were licensing the TSR trademark from the Gygax Crew instead, to print Top Secret (the game) stuff under.
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Nuns with Guns posted:The Ernie Gygax crew sniped the trademark rights out from under the now-Solarian Games, who missed a filing date to maintain control of it. The tweet from before (and above) said Solarian could take it to court and probably win a lawsuit, but they don't have the funds to do so. They were licensing the TSR trademark from the Gygax Crew instead, to print Top Secret (the game) stuff under. They very quickly quickly decided not to license anything from AssholeTSR, because gently caress giving them money or associating with them in any way. Changing their name turned out to be more viable than going to court.
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So what I'm hearing is this is a bad month to announce my new company, Tabletop Shonen Rumpus
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Ettin posted:So what I'm hearing is this is a bad month to announce my new company, Tabletop Shonen Rumpus Yrs, Splicer S. Hitposter, CEO Theoretical Sex Romp Inc
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