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V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

mawarannahr posted:

who does twin studies without accounting for environmental factors anymore? it’s a solid criticism of how we got here but not really of how psychological research has been done for years and years. the biopsychosocial model is the main one taught these days afaik, not the biomedical model.

ex. https://www.nature.com/articles/ng.3285
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0151405

it's not that you do it without accounting for environmental factors, it's that it's generally (or: that it was circa 2012 when i seriously investigated this stuff) done without due respect to the dynamism of expressed traits. example: a child disposed to anger will have that trait reinforced in certain societies in a way which is difficult to capture in the statistical methods employed as of 2012. this will have an impact on e.g. criminality or what have you. the twin decomposition in quantitive traits is much more difficult than it's often given credit for, is the point

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V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

good god i'm old i didn't realise it had been nine years

nut
Jul 30, 2019

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1410689749195575299?s=21

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013

by sebmojo
When did Schneider take over? Who was responsible for those delightful child-oriented sitcoms that were so wonderfully written and deep, like Pete & Pete and Hey Dude? I'm assuming from the tonal shift (1990s to 2000s) alone that Schneider had nothing to do with those.

Oh, I just remembered Melissa Joan Hart got bit by the Karen bug. :sad:

Seriously, was 90s Nickelodeon actually trash and I'm just nostalgic? Because I remember all of it being solid gold.

Edit:
1990s: Here are children pretending to be living life as students and campers and the like!
2000s: Here are children pretending to be living life as movie stars, celebrities and socialites!

Tubgoat has issued a correction as of 01:34 on Jul 2, 2021

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010




biden's president. you know what that means! Bring it in, guys! (all the media sex pests come in for a HUGE party)

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

Shear Modulus posted:

biden's president. you know what that means! Bring it in, guys! (all the media sex pests come in for a HUGE party)

Relevant Tangent
Nov 18, 2016

Tangentially Relevant

The Saucer Hovers posted:

wait...are you grading kojima above the cohens?

No Country For Old Men's gameplay was trash.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Tubgoat posted:

When did Schneider take over? Who was responsible for those delightful child-oriented sitcoms that were so wonderfully written and deep, like Pete & Pete and Hey Dude? I'm assuming from the tonal shift (1990s to 2000s) alone that Schneider had nothing to do with those.

Oh, I just remembered Melissa Joan Hart got bit by the Karen bug. :sad:

Seriously, was 90s Nickelodeon actually trash and I'm just nostalgic? Because I remember all of it being solid gold.

Edit:
1990s: Here are children pretending to be living life as students and campers and the like!
2000s: Here are children pretending to be living life as movie stars, celebrities and socialites!

Hey Dude was originally produced for Canadian television, not Nickelodeon. I also think the tonal shift has more to do with Nickelodeon following Disney's lead wrt kids' shows being more aspirational or celebrity focused.

Dan Schneider's big contribution was the focus on the feet. He originally wrote & produced All That.

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013

by sebmojo
Oh my. Apparently he was not without good ideas after all. A shame about his weird foot and child fetishes, though. :yikes:

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009

Gee I'm really sorry your mom blew up, Ricky

Relevant Tangent
Nov 18, 2016

Tangentially Relevant

smarxist posted:

the only thing that gives me pause on writing McAfee off as a stupid crank that killed himself as a bit is that he was kind of The Guy for a hot minute before the dot com bust in the old old wild west computer days, like before everything was encrypted and locked down 8 ways from sunday and required 2FA to access, etc.

he also worked for Lockheed, NASA, Booz Allen Hamilton, and other :thunk: type outfits in those days as well

he could have easily amassed a trove of documents he shouldn't have held onto, and then used that status to leverage more information along the way. even if it all has an expiry date of 2005 or earlier, he could have some explosive information

but, considering how all of these stunts never amount to anything, it'll probably be a bust.

32 TB of 2005 or earlier data would be all of the data from 2005 or earlier

The_Rob
Feb 1, 2007

Blah blah blah blah!!

Tubgoat posted:

When did Schneider take over? Who was responsible for those delightful child-oriented sitcoms that were so wonderfully written and deep, like Pete & Pete and Hey Dude? I'm assuming from the tonal shift (1990s to 2000s) alone that Schneider had nothing to do with those.

Oh, I just remembered Melissa Joan Hart got bit by the Karen bug. :sad:

Seriously, was 90s Nickelodeon actually trash and I'm just nostalgic? Because I remember all of it being solid gold.

Edit:
1990s: Here are children pretending to be living life as students and campers and the like!
2000s: Here are children pretending to be living life as movie stars, celebrities and socialites!

a lot of early Nickelodeon was all kids straight out of art school getting hired because Nickelodeon needed content. I’d say once we hit about 96’ 97’ is when we started to see the gradual change to more Schneider based programs and the early 2000’s was when it was most of the channel. all that and Keenan and kel were so successful and I’m sure super cheap to make so it makes sense they just wanted more of that.

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013

by sebmojo
Kenan is hilarious and deserves a much better show than SNL.

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

nut posted:

alright, I've been sitting on this one for a while and I finally got through it and wanna share it. This is a twitter thread about the origins of the modern iteration of the concept that artistic talent is connected to mental illness and that this connection is both genetic and inheritable. It focuses on the work of Dr. Kay Redfield Jamison. You will see some familiar names here and there and even a kind of spoiler in that sense, but read it all the way through and let your brain ease and ooze then shatter.

https://twitter.com/mbneedham/status/1395602005654220800?s=20


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH-iC5BgAlk

nut
Jul 30, 2019

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1405929763399737347?s=21

the products of MKUltra float around. this article is about deep brain stimulation, which typically claims success as part of a multifaceted approach to addiction (drugs/therapy/rehab) and heavily focuses on the handful of successes from a hand-selected patient population and scrubs away failure. in recent reading I found out that many modern deep brain stimulation researchers had never heard of Robert Heath, the pioneer of the technique, after his human experimentation on mental patients at Tulane University required him to be washed from the popular scientific record. Heath’s connection to MKUltra is minimal, he received 300 dollars to administer bulbocapnine to prisoners.

If you’ll indulge me, if there was any, I don’t think military interest in psychosurgery would have gone through MKUltra and Heath and his secretary shredded most of his files when he retired. there remain some big links missing. office of naval research?

also I’m not saying people are using deep brain stimulation to mind control these people but instead they have inherited a failed medical technology and are seeking a means to commodify it. if im not mistaken, much of this work is sponsored by the worlds biggest pacemaker manufacturer.

e: if ur wondering why I named office of naval research, here is a snip from this scientific american article about jose delgado, inventor of the stimoceiver (radio-controlled brain electrode)

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/tribute-to-jose-delgado-legendary-and-slightly-scary-pioneer-of-mind-control/

nut has issued a correction as of 03:11 on Jul 2, 2021

gregday
May 23, 2003

https://twitter.com/Lilylauren/status/1410019596053061634

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977

Tubgoat posted:

When did Schneider take over? Who was responsible for those delightful child-oriented sitcoms that were so wonderfully written and deep, like Pete & Pete and Hey Dude? I'm assuming from the tonal shift (1990s to 2000s) alone that Schneider had nothing to do with those.

Oh, I just remembered Melissa Joan Hart got bit by the Karen bug. :sad:

Seriously, was 90s Nickelodeon actually trash and I'm just nostalgic? Because I remember all of it being solid gold.

Edit:
1990s: Here are children pretending to be living life as students and campers and the like!
2000s: Here are children pretending to be living life as movie stars, celebrities and socialites!

Schneider was always a predator but I think what cemented his control is when he met with Sumner Redstone and was inducted into the 'real' circles of power (child rapist cabal)

DR FRASIER KRANG
Feb 4, 2005

"Are you forgetting that just this afternoon I was punched in the face by a turtle now dead?
so this case just showed up in the news (because one of the convicted killers died in prison) and I've never heard of it but "serial killer in California in the 70s" always makes my ears perk up

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zebra_murders

seriously what the gently caress was this

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

poo poo POST MALONE posted:

so this case just showed up in the news (because one of the convicted killers died in prison) and I've never heard of it but "serial killer in California in the 70s" always makes my ears perk up

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zebra_murders

seriously what the gently caress was this

I've never heard of this either, which is weird because with as much as alt-righters and conservatives are preoccupied with black on white crime, they never talk about the Zebra killers.

Bathtub Cheese
Jun 15, 2008

I lust for Chinese world conquest. The truth does not matter before the supremacy of Dear Leader Xi.
https://twitter.com/ccnipper/status/1411066616910168067

multistability
Feb 15, 2014
So it was basically announced today that no British soldier who was involved in the state-sponsored terror that took place on Bloody Sunday will ever face prosecution

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/bloody-sunday-prosecution-army-veterans-b1877095.html

1972 really was the height of domestic Gladio in the North of Ireland.

quote:

Two former soldiers will not face trial over three deaths during the Troubles in Northern Ireland.

Soldier F was to be prosecuted for the murder of two men, James Wray and William McKinney, who were shot during a civil rights demonstration in Derry on Bloody Sunday 49 years ago. He has also faced five counts of attempted murder.

Thirteen people were shot dead and 15 were wounded in the city when the Parachute Regiment opened fire on demonstrators on 30 January 1972.

Soldier B was to be prosecuted for the murder of 15-year-old Daniel Hegarty in Derry six months after Bloody Sunday, as well for wounding with intent in relation to the shooting of his 17-year-old cousin Christopher Hegarty.


quote:

Reviews of the cases were prompted by the collapse of another murder trial in May of two other veterans for Troubles offences.

The court had ruled that statements made in 1972 by Soldiers A and C, who had been accused of murdering Joe McCann, a leader of the Official IRA, were inadmissible. The pair were acquitted.

Here's a great article on Joe McCann, Irish Republican Socialist hero:

https://rebelcitywriters.wordpress.com/2015/04/17/rebel-lives-staff-captain-joe-mccann-revolutionary-socialist-republican/

The Demilich
Apr 9, 2020

The First Rites of Men Were Mortuary, the First Altars Tombs.



What the hell is a Gladio?

multistability
Feb 15, 2014

The Demilich posted:

What the hell is a Gladio?

Get out of this thread idiot

Son of Thunderbeast
Sep 21, 2002

The Demilich posted:

What the hell is a Gladio?

Here's some basic info:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

quote:

Operation Gladio is the codename for clandestine "stay-behind" operations of armed resistance that were organized by the Western Union (WU), and subsequently by NATO and the CIA,[1][2] in collaboration with several European intelligence agencies.[3] The operation was designed for a potential Warsaw Pact invasion and conquest of Europe. While an invasion never happened, some of the anti-communist armed groups engaged in the harassment of left-wing parties, terror attacks, massacres and torture in countries such as Italy.[4][5][6][7] Although Gladio specifically refers to the Italian branch of the NATO stay-behind organizations, "Operation Gladio" is used as an informal name for all of them. Stay-behind operations were prepared in many NATO member countries, and some neutral countries.[8]

The role of the CIA in Gladio—the extent of its activities during the Cold War era and any responsibility for terrorist attacks perpetrated in Italy during the "Years of Lead" (late 1960s to early 1980s)—are the subject of debate. Researcher Francesco Cacciatore, in an article based on recently de-classified documents, writes that a "note from March 1972 specified that the possibility of using ‘Gladio’ in the event of internal subversions, not provided for by the organization’s statute and not supported by NATO directives or plans, was outside the scope of the original stay-behind and, therefore, ‘never to be considered among the purposes of the operation’. The pressure put forward by the Americans during the 1960s to use ‘Gladio’ for purposes other than those of a stay-behind network would appear to have failed in the long term.[9]

Someone more knowledgeable than me and with a better ability to summarize might be able to give a tldr

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005

The Demilich posted:

What the hell is a Gladio?

is it still a war crime if its done domestically??

The Demilich
Apr 9, 2020

The First Rites of Men Were Mortuary, the First Altars Tombs.



multistability posted:

Get out of this thread idiot

Eat my hair and rear end.

Son of Thunderbeast posted:

Here's some basic info:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

Someone more knowledgeable than me and with a better ability to summarize might be able to give a tldr

Thanks goon friend.

multistability
Feb 15, 2014

Son of Thunderbeast posted:

Here's some basic info:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

Someone more knowledgeable than me and with a better ability to summarize might be able to give a tldr

1972 1972 1972

multistability
Feb 15, 2014

The Demilich posted:

Eat my hair and rear end.

Thanks goon friend.

It's literally in the title of the thread. Apologies if you were being sincere tho

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

multistability posted:

It's literally in the title of the thread. Apologies if you were being sincere tho

always its everyone's first time crackin & pingin at least once

multistability
Feb 15, 2014

Trabisnikof posted:

always its everyone's first time crackin & pingin at least once

Oh for sure. I'm just really annoyed at todays verdict lol. Through I really shouldn't be, it's not surprising at all

The Demilich
Apr 9, 2020

The First Rites of Men Were Mortuary, the First Altars Tombs.



Not really a crack ping from me. I fully accept the world is run by pedophiles who should be burning and that the major powers are heinous monsters on their best days, and that were all just meat to them. However, I'm always open to adding more cursed knowledge to my brain as to why our species is the loving worst.

So yeah tell me more about Gladio.

RandolphCarter
Jul 30, 2005


Tubgoat posted:

When did Schneider take over? Who was responsible for those delightful child-oriented sitcoms that were so wonderfully written and deep, like Pete & Pete and Hey Dude? I'm assuming from the tonal shift (1990s to 2000s) alone that Schneider had nothing to do with those.

Oh, I just remembered Melissa Joan Hart got bit by the Karen bug. :sad:

Seriously, was 90s Nickelodeon actually trash and I'm just nostalgic? Because I remember all of it being solid gold.

Edit:
1990s: Here are children pretending to be living life as students and campers and the like!
2000s: Here are children pretending to be living life as movie stars, celebrities and socialites!

I watched Pete and Pete about 5 years ago and it was still pretty good.

multistability
Feb 15, 2014

The Demilich posted:

Not really a crack ping from me. I fully accept the world is run by pedophiles who should be burning and that the major powers are heinous monsters on their best days, and that were all just meat to them. However, I'm always open to adding more cursed knowledge to my brain as to why our species is the loving worst.

So yeah tell me more about Gladio.

https://www.cambridgeclarion.org/press_cuttings/gladio_obs_7jun1992.html posted:

[Gladio] started at the end of the last war. On 27 January 1949 Sir Stewart Menzies, head of MI6, set out the grand strategy in a top secret and personal letter to Paul-Henri Spaak, the Belgian Socialist Prime Minister who was later to become secretary-general of Nato. As the idea took shape, Sir Stewart wrote of Anglo-Belgian collaboration in particular … “The improvement of our information on the subject of Cominform and potential enemy activities in so far as they concern our two countries [and] … The preparation of appropriate intelligence and action organisations in the event of war.” … As the years went by, the stay-behind network, which ended up as a semi-detached operation of Nato, extended across Europe, the British taking the lead in Belgium, the Netherlands, Scandinavia and the Iberian peninsula, the Americans elsewhere. … The extreme secrecy, and lack of supervision of the Gladio networks by elected governments meant that time and again they were to fall victim to right-wing extremists inside and outside the Western security services, who set their own political agendas and acted on them. The way down that slippery slope was typified by the attitude of James Jesus Angleton, the CIA's chief of counter-intelligence. According to his biographer Tom Mangold, Angleton was convinced that Harold Wilson and Willy Brandt were Moscow agents. His black list of pro-Communists also included Henry Kissinger, the Canadian Prime Minister Lester Pearson and Averell Harriman, a former US Ambassador in Moscow and governor of New York. … A US military field manual published for the guidance of its officers stated: 'There may be times when host-country governments fall into passivity or indecision in face of Communist or Communist-inspired subversion and react with inadequate vigor to intelligence estimates transmitted by US agencies...In such cases US army intelligence must have the means of launching special operations which will convince host-country governments and public opinion of the reality of insurgent action and assess the counter-action.'

https://www.cambridgeclarion.org/press_cuttings/gladio.mi6.sas_graun_5dec1990.html posted:

The stay-behind groups in Europe had their origins in the fear of communism that concentrated the minds of British and US politicians and military planners after the second world war. The plan, spearheaded by the infant CIA as part of a huge covert action programme to assist anti-communist organisations, had been conceived by the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, according to the 1976 Senate report on the CIA by Frank Church which first revealed its existence. It was put into operation in 1948 by the National Security Council, which set up the Office of Policy Co-ordination, a covert operations unit created on the recommendation of a senior state department Soviet expert, George Keenan, the man who formulated the Marshall Plan of economic aid to Western Europe. Staffed and funded by the CIA, OPC's central mission, according to Church, was to set up "stay behind nets in the event of future war" and support Nato forces against Soviet attack. It was also to recruit emigré groups to carry out sabotage behind the Iron Curtain. The British Secret Intelligence Service, MI6, and the SAS played their part. In the British sector of Germany, the SAS dug secret hides with stores of weapons. MI6 helped the CIA to recruit agents who invaded Albania in 1949 in an operation betrayed by the double agent Kim Philby. In Britain, a guerrilla network with arms caches was already in place following the fall of France in 1940, according to senior military sources who say it was disbanded after the war. Its members, including the legendary Brigadier "Mad Mike" Calvert, were drawn from a special forces ski battalion of the Scots Guards which was originally intended to fight in Nazi-occupied Finland. Germany was the OPC's principal centre of operations and, as in Italy, it co-operated with some unsavoury characters. Under the direction of Allen Dulles as deputy director for plans and then CIA director in 1953, secret armies were set up across Europe, although, according to the Italian Prime Minister last month, they did not come under broad Nato supervision until 1959. As in Germany, one of their tasks was to counter internal left-wing subversion. In Greece, the existence of a CIA-armed and trained paramilitary group, which had helped in the 1967 Colonels' coup, was reported in the Athens press in 1978. In Scandinavia, the stay-behind groups were organised from 1951 by William Colby, who became CIA director in 1973.

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Operation_Gladio posted:

Operation Gladio is a NATO-backed paramilitary network established after WW2, reportedly inspired by fear of the USSR. It was also called the "Stay behind network", since if the Red Army invaded Europe, its members would "stay behind" enemy lines to disrupt Soviet control. Officially non-existent, secrecy was so extreme that these networks were hard for NATO/MI6/Deep state officials to control. Gladio was responsible for bombings, kidnappings and assassinations to such an extent that the network was publicly exposed in Italy in the 1980s. … What has come to be called Operation Gladio was never intended to be publicly acknowledged. It was a multi-national military plan to arm and train clandestine groups in many (perhaps all) of its member countries and elsewhere in Europe. The official narrative on these networks is confused, contradictory and definitely incomplete, with many basic questions unanswered. The stated reasons for establishing undercover armed groups has tended to focus on use of the secret armies as a fifth column to provide armed resistance in the case of a Soviet invasion. … Operation Gladio first came to light in Italy in 1990, after over 40 years of clandestine operations. Members of the project revealed that similar projects existed in most if not all countries of Western Europe. These stay-behind networks were, in essence, super secret armies in at least 14 European countries, which were kept secret from the official governmental structures of the host countries – being controlled by other forces such as the CIA and MI6. They remained mostly dormant but were also involved in anti-communist activities including anti-democratic agitation to swing elections and false flag "terrorism" to inflict psychological stress.


https://www.cambridgeclarion.org/press_cuttings/vinciguerra.p2.etc_graun_5dec1990.html posted:

the "Strategy of Tension" in the 1970s, violent and usually fascist-inspired outrages designed to justify increased state power and isolate the Left
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Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord

The Demilich posted:

What the hell is a Gladio?

lmao

my bony fealty
Oct 1, 2008

The Demilich posted:

What the hell is a Gladio?

new thread title time

nut
Jul 30, 2019

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*


https://twitter.com/UrbanNathalia/status/1410685132034371585?s=20

just a coincidence I'm sure

The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020

I like how the wiki article presents what the hell is gladio as a totally benign thing that was started with the best intentions and got taken over by nazis as a result of oversight and neglect and probably lack of funding and not it doing exactly what it was supposed to do exactly how it was supposed to do it

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bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

The Demilich posted:

What the hell is a Gladio?

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