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You have the order reversed: twitter is where people go in order to feel anger and direct it toward a target, so they invent a reason to justify what they want to experience or are already experiencing.
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Jul 2, 2021 15:51
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Bleck posted:the well metaphor is stupid because it's trying to frame media illiteracy as some kind of safety issue on the other hand there is a point where if someone hands you a book that says 'I loving hate trans people' you probably don't have to read it just to be sure they're not the modern Swift or whatever if you don't want to. Like, unless you're the ghost of Larry Kramer if you gave me a book that was just the word "FAGGOTS" on the cover I probably don't want to read it. Yea I likely wouldn't, like, attack you for giving it to me but I'd probably tell you to gently caress off.
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Jul 2, 2021 15:52
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I guess I just think it's a bit of an overcorrection to put the onus entirely on everyone else to carefully check a thing designed to provoke a shock response, rather than just kinda admitting sometimes your shock response article gets exactly what you wanted
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Jul 2, 2021 15:53
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Pachylad posted:I actually can't tell if this is facetious. It is. It's a somewhat reoccurring thing I noticed on those circles.
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Jul 2, 2021 16:01
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the article's author is right in that if the story had been what people thought it was, the worst outcome would have been that another piece of inflammatory transphobic media would have existed. the scale from the jump was "attack a trans woman for making something with an edge to it" on one end and "a thing i wont read will exist" on the other.sexpig by night posted:I guess I just think it's a bit of an overcorrection to put the onus entirely on everyone else to carefully check a thing designed to provoke a shock response, rather than just kinda admitting sometimes your shock response article gets exactly what you wanted StratGoatCom posted:Also, that editor had apparently been sold barrels of poison water during a spate of well poisonings, including an organized gang trying to gently caress up a big aquafer, to extend that metaphor. lol jesus christ
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Jul 2, 2021 16:03
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sexpig by night posted:I guess I just think it's a bit of an overcorrection to put the onus entirely on everyone else to carefully check a thing designed to provoke a shock response, rather than just kinda admitting sometimes your shock response article gets exactly what you wanted You're absolutely wrong. I mean the its not some listable click bait article about Salad tongs or some poo poo, its a person writing about the poo poo they've personally gone through as a member or a minority group recontextualizing some of that abuse to talk about their issues. Its something that's pretty obvious if you do the absolute bare minimum and read then first few sentences. Its not something that requires "carefully checking" it just requires you to not be an entirely reaction ball of anger and just look at it. The onus is entirely on the reader especially if that person then goes on to freak out online and use this as an excuse to harass an unrelated person. There is no excuse for this behavior
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Jul 2, 2021 16:03
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I don't think the response she got was fair at all in scale but it's just weird to simultaneously say 'wow so she can't make something with edge' and also 'I can't believe people reacted strongly to an intentionally provocative article'
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Jul 2, 2021 16:04
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sexpig by night posted:I guess I just think it's a bit of an overcorrection to put the onus entirely on everyone else to carefully check a thing designed to provoke a shock response it should perhaps not be a shocking impossibility to queer people that anybody make an attempt to reclaim a famously offensive word or phrase
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Jul 2, 2021 16:06
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a provocative title is meant to provoke you to read the book. it is absolutely unreasonable to say the author should have known it would "provoke" people into ruining her life. jesus christ.
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Jul 2, 2021 16:07
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Twitter is a good place to be ultra reactionary and condemn stuff for that sweet clout and retweets. That's just the nature of that platform and it encourages you to post them takes without thinking them through. It's easier to just apologize later, after the damage is done. Jimbot fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Jul 2, 2021 |
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Jul 2, 2021 16:08
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Bleck posted:it should perhaps not be a shocking impossibility to queer people that anybody make an attempt to reclaim a famously offensive word or phrase and it also shouldn't be shocking that many people in the queer communities have incredibly different views of what insults are 'worth' reclaiming and picking one that kinda has no roots in anything other than 4chan idiots trying to mock the concept of non-cis people is probably, to many, not exactly on the same level of reclaiming queer or dyke or the like from bigots. Again I completely agree the amount of hate she got is absurd but people seem to be conflating 'read headline, got mad' and 'read the article and disagree' under the same umbrella
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Jul 2, 2021 16:09
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the article which has been summarized like 5 increasingly succinct times in here explicitly makes the distinction between not giving the book the time of day because of surface assumption or just not having the headspace for its contents even when you do know what they are versus the rest of the terrible bullshit that followed yet this is like the dozenth post going 'its fine to bounce off of a work like this' which not only is no one saying otherwise, everyone already said as much
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Jul 2, 2021 16:09
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sexpig by night posted:I guess I just think it's a bit of an overcorrection to put the onus entirely on everyone else to carefully check a thing designed to provoke a shock response, rather than just kinda admitting sometimes your shock response article gets exactly what you wanted I think if someone's "shock response" is harassment and threats they don't deserve any benefit of the doubt. sexpig by night posted:I don't think the response she got was fair at all in scale but it's just weird to simultaneously say 'wow so she can't make something with edge' and also 'I can't believe people reacted strongly to an intentionally provocative article' "reacted strongly" is a loving mild way to put it. sexpig by night posted:and it also shouldn't be shocking that many people in the queer communities have incredibly different views of what insults are 'worth' reclaiming and picking one that kinda has no roots in anything other than 4chan idiots trying to mock the concept of non-cis people is probably, to many, not exactly on the same level of reclaiming queer or dyke or the like from bigots. Yeah, it's not a problem if your reaction to the title was "ew no thanks" rather than attacking the author but you're going to have to point out who was actually conflating the two because I have yet to see someone do it. Dire Lemming fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Jul 2, 2021 |
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Jul 2, 2021 16:10
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sexpig by night posted:I don't think the response she got was fair at all in scale but it's just weird to simultaneously say 'wow so she can't make something with edge' and also 'I can't believe people reacted strongly to an intentionally provocative article' they reacted to a provacative headline they didnt read beyond. also so what? making something provacative means ppl were in the right to go apeshit on the author?? i wouldnt even say its provacative. its just a different exploration of gender. wtf is going on. these are such juvenile approaches to art. e: lmao a headline. title fun hater fucked around with this message at 16:12 on Jul 2, 2021 |
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Jul 2, 2021 16:10
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sexpig by night posted:and it also shouldn't be shocking that many people in the queer communities have incredibly different views of what insults are 'worth' reclaiming and picking one that kinda has no roots in anything other than 4chan idiots trying to mock the concept of non-cis people is probably, to many, not exactly on the same level of reclaiming queer or dyke or the like from bigots. it's exactly the same, actually,
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Jul 2, 2021 16:10
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sexpig by night posted:I don't think the response she got was fair at all in scale but it's just weird to simultaneously say 'wow so she can't make something with edge' and also 'I can't believe people reacted strongly to an intentionally provocative article' No no no no. Thats not what anyone is saying at all and this kind of thinking is just trying to build some wiggle room to lean towards trying to justify why this happened. Because no one who abused her cared about how she wrote an edgy piece because they never actually read the piece because again, even just glance at it would have revealed what it was about. There is no excuse for this and no justification for what people did to her. Hemming and hawing over "Hmm clearly she was asking for it with this title in this article about dealing with the phrase in the title because she should have known its a rough topic and people wouldn't read it" is horrific. Shut the gently caress up Sexpig. gently caress off, this idea or mindset will just lead to justifying the next person harassed off the face of the world for not being queer in the right way. The people that reacted this way were not right in reacting that way at all. Full stop, no discussion. They were being horrible reactionaries. ZenMasterBullshit fucked around with this message at 16:21 on Jul 2, 2021 |
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Jul 2, 2021 16:12
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I saw a book titled "They Shoot Horses, Don't They?" in the shop the other day. Anyone want to get together with me to report this person for animal abuse?
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Jul 2, 2021 16:17
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I don't even know why I'm arguing this at this point I have other things I should focus on and don't even disagree with the loving article, whatever I'm a big dumb idiot
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Jul 2, 2021 16:19
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The context for the discourse for me has been one of my close friends, a trans woman who is also an author getting hit hard by what happened to Fall. In fact she wrote something https://bloodknife.com/i-sexually-identify-as-the-i-sexually-identify-as-an-attack-helicopter-controversy/
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Jul 2, 2021 16:37
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josh04 posted:a provocative title is meant to provoke you to read the book. it is absolutely unreasonable to say the author should have known it would "provoke" people into ruining her life. jesus christ. The literary equivalent of "she was asking for it by wearing that outfit."
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Jul 2, 2021 16:42
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sexpig by night posted:I guess I just think it's a bit of an overcorrection to put the onus entirely on everyone else to carefully check a thing designed to provoke a shock response, rather than just kinda admitting sometimes your shock response article gets exactly what you wanted no one is saying you have to read it, and I fully understand that perspective, but when people are reading something and saying "wow this is not what I expected", maybe then it would be time to reasses your position ("You" meant generally of course). I think that's the real point here. It's how addicted to anger people get, to the point that they ignore everything else. To the point that they insist on continuing to invent excuses and reasoning post facto for an outrage bomb that is now known to have hurt a trans author.
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Jul 2, 2021 16:43
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Arcsquad12 posted:The literary equivalent of "she was asking for it by wearing that outfit." Lmao
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Jul 2, 2021 16:45
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Famethrowa posted:no one is saying you have to read it, and I fully understand that perspective, but when people are reading something and saying "wow this is not what I expected", maybe then it would be time to reasses your position ("You" meant generally of course). But also if you're going to get mad about it online, even just the title, you do in fact have to read it. Arcsquad12 posted:The literary equivalent of "she was asking for it by wearing that outfit." I tried not to just directly say this in my mad post at sexpig but yeah this is the poo poo that line of thinking leads to.
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Jul 2, 2021 16:46
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Civvie-11 released a video about a Doom engine game, Hexen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbjLThCN_yE includes bonus slavjank.
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Jul 2, 2021 16:56
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:But also if you're going to get mad about it online, even just the title, you do in fact have to read it. yea your super subtle point really flew over my head, shithead (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jul 2, 2021 16:57
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sexpig by night posted:yea your super subtle point really flew over my head, shithead Well you know when I posted that I should have expected you to defend it after you said you'd check out and were dumb to argue that point. Sorry just, as a trans woman I get mad when I see someone trying to justify why people harassed a trans woman online. Just a weird little tic of mine. Ryuga Death posted:Civvie-11 released a video about a Doom engine game, Hexen: Hexen's the only doom engine game I played as a kid that wasn't Doom 2. Excited to see how bad I was at it. EDIT: Okay I didn't play hexen it was Heretic. ZenMasterBullshit fucked around with this message at 17:13 on Jul 2, 2021 |
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Jul 2, 2021 17:02
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:But also if you're going to get mad about it online, even just the title, you do in fact have to read it. yeah like I can't loving stress this enough
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Jul 2, 2021 17:05
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sexpig by night posted:yea your super subtle point really flew over my head, shithead dont get mad at someone else bc you said something stupid. wtf are you doing.
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Jul 2, 2021 17:10
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allergic to saying "poo poo im sorry, i was coming at this from a defensive place" so instead i peel out screaming my head off
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Jul 2, 2021 17:12
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Hexen's the only doom engine game I played as a kid that wasn't Doom 2. Excited to see how bad I was at it.
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Jul 2, 2021 18:03
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Terrible Opinions posted:Hexen is not exactly a game for normal people. It's a romhack mario level in doomclone form. I adored Hexen. It felt like a real magic adventure to me, the key and switch hunting was part of the pull. I don't think I can watch this Civvie cause I know he hates Hexen
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Jul 2, 2021 18:10
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Social Rewards the response that gets the most eyeballs. A balanced and thoughtful reading does not get eyeballs as well as a call to torches and pitchforks. This gets even worse because there are regressive shitheads who know this and purposely bad-faith take in order to sow anger and discord and further marginalize people. See: every left-leaning youtuber ever having every single post they've made in their lives combed through to find a scandal. There's no good solution to this - the first eyeball getter starts the snowball, and people want to be first, so they  and it's often the people with bad intentions doing so first. Short of treating misinformation like a bot attack and throttling rapidly spreading posts, and that just opens a different can of worms. The effect of Twitter on the general mental health and emotional stability of people is terrifying.
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Jul 2, 2021 18:23
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fun hater posted:allergic to saying "poo poo im sorry, i was coming at this from a defensive place" so instead i peel out screaming my head off I think admitting that you were wrong is illegal on the internet. SA forums doesn't have a delete post function so that's the closest thing.
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Jul 2, 2021 18:34
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mycot posted:I think admitting that you were wrong is illegal on the internet. SA forums doesn't have a delete post function so that's the closest thing. And everyone wonders where Twitter got it from.
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Jul 2, 2021 18:39
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People should unironically take lessons from ICP on how to craft sincere apologies:
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Jul 2, 2021 19:00
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Also at risk of being a hypocrite and engaging in cheap schaudenfreude over actually meaningful discussion, this has to be the funniest thing I've read all day: https://twitter.com/twinkofswords/status/1410450721376460800
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Jul 2, 2021 19:15
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Unfortunately that's just a case of them being wrong twice.
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Jul 2, 2021 19:19
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Look, we both said a lot of things that you're going to regret.
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Jul 2, 2021 19:19
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I am sorry anyone feels in any way. edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u21CymQbuzE Thoughtslime on more masculinity
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Jul 2, 2021 19:26
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Embrace apathy in face our climate apocalypse.
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Jul 2, 2021 19:27
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