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Axe-man posted:The problem with star trek is you have magic engineers and the tech is so plentiful and easy to get that you really do need a Borg invasion to get them in dire straits . Well, before Kevin Sorbo decided he was Jesus, that is.
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There's a lot in Andromeda to like but Kevin Sorbo really is poo poo. He's not even good *before* he went visibly off the deep end. He's the most boring, tepid, poorly-acted character on the whole show surrounded by people who are at least trying to do something interesting. Dylan Hunt was always doomed to be dull compared to the post-apocalypse gang of misfits but he couldn't even be charming.
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Jul 3, 2021 19:22
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Nessus posted:I imagine prohibitions against this might have a root in resolving internal Federation politics... I can absolutely see there having been a bitter argument over what angle they were going to take with some pre-warp civilization between Andorians and Vulcans, and just saying 'we ain't gonna do poo poo, except maybe stealthily avert disasters that would just wipe them out arbitrarily' resolves that particular missionary conflict. It would also work well if there was some event in early Federation history when the Federation did get involved in trying to improve or uplift a culture and it went disastrously wrong and everybody died.
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Jul 3, 2021 19:55
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Animal-Mother posted:Ridiculous, but it's fun imagining Avery Brooks reciting all of W's dumb lines. Avery Brooks doesn't care about black people.
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Jul 3, 2021 19:58
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Epicurius posted:It would also work well if there was some event in early Federation history when the Federation did get involved in trying to improve or uplift a culture and it went disastrously wrong and everybody died. In the TNG episode "First Contact", Picard says that the first contact with the Klingon Empire was "disastrous" and led to "decades of war", and that as a result the Federation started monitoring and surveying civilizations that were close to developing warp drive, presumably in the interests of figuring out how to best manage negotiations with them. This implies that the Klingons were pre-warp before the Federation came by to say hello (and I recall reading somewhere that this is where Klingons got warp tech in the first place but can't find the source - I'm sure it was non-canon at the time anyway) but that's been retconned by a lot of later sources including the Enterprise premiere. Every time it gets discussed there seems to be another version of the story.
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Jul 3, 2021 20:16
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Epicurius posted:It would also work well if there was some event in early Federation history when the Federation did get involved in trying to improve or uplift a culture and it went disastrously wrong and everybody died.
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Jul 3, 2021 20:40
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Lemniscate Blue posted:In the TNG episode "First Contact", Picard says that the first contact with the Klingon Empire was "disastrous" and led to "decades of war", and that as a result the Federation started monitoring and surveying civilizations that were close to developing warp drive, presumably in the interests of figuring out how to best manage negotiations with them. Isn't that "First contact with the Klingons was disastrous and led to decades of war" what the Discovery first season was about? (I know Enterprise had previously had first contact with the Klingons, but still....)
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Jul 3, 2021 21:01
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Epicurius posted:Isn't that "First contact with the Klingons was disastrous and led to decades of war" what the Discovery first season was about? (I know Enterprise had previously had first contact with the Klingons, but still....) I haven't bothered to watch Discovery, but the first contact shown in Broken Bow was pretty far from "disastrous" and it's hard to see how infiltration and surveillance would have made things go more smoothly given the premise of the war as I understand it. It's just an idea that was discarded later. Hardly unusual in Trek as a franchise.
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Jul 3, 2021 21:12
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Technowolf posted:Which would have been interesting if Voyager had gone the whole Battlestar Galactica/Stargate Atlantis route of "stranded with dwindling supplies and resources" route. Wasn't that why Ron Moore went so hard on the tone of BSG? Because he was so disappointed by how quickly Voyager pissed all over the conflicts of its premise?
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Jul 3, 2021 21:14
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Fighting Trousers posted:Wasn't that why Ron Moore went so hard on the tone of BSG? Because he was so disappointed by how quickly Voyager pissed all over the conflicts of its premise? BSG is definitely a better take on the concept, until it disappears up its own rear end halfway through.
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Jul 3, 2021 22:05
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There are like a billion ways Voyager could have been more interesting than it was, and constantly dwindling resources weren't the only option. They could have actually stuck with the idea of Federation technology being vastly superior to most of the delta quadrant, for one. Instead, that idea just came and went constantly so they could do the typical Star Trek thing of alternating between Voyager being at everyone's mercy and being the most powerful ship in the quadrant on a week-to-week basis. There's plenty of interesting storytelling you can do with a ship that just drastically outclasses everyone around it while still being stuck far from home and tied to Federation ethical considerations. I dunno. I just rewatched Voyager for the second time ever and it's still sticking with me how bland and just outright boring it is, without even gettting into the wasted potential. Enterprise was a better show and I'll loving die on that hill.
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Jul 4, 2021 00:15
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Paradoxish posted:There are like a billion ways Voyager could have been more interesting than it was, and constantly dwindling resources weren't the only option. They could have actually stuck with the idea of Federation technology being vastly superior to most of the delta quadrant, for one. Instead, that idea just came and went constantly so they could do the typical Star Trek thing of alternating between Voyager being at everyone's mercy and being the most powerful ship in the quadrant on a week-to-week basis. There's plenty of interesting storytelling you can do with a ship that just drastically outclasses everyone around it while still being stuck far from home and tied to Federation ethical considerations. At least Enterprise is trying something. It doesn't know what it's trying, and it fails a lot, and it feels like it's flailing about, but it's *something* even when it's poo poo.
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Jul 4, 2021 00:27
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HopperUK posted:At least Enterprise is trying something. It doesn't know what it's trying, and it fails a lot, and it feels like it's flailing about, but it's *something* even when it's poo poo. You also want Enterprise to succeed and feel genuinely happy when they knock it out of the park. Which happens more often as the series goes on. With Voyager, you’re just like...how many more seasons are left of this? Or at least, that’s how I feel.
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Jul 4, 2021 00:32
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Paradoxish posted:There are like a billion ways Voyager could have been more interesting than it was, and constantly dwindling resources weren't the only option. The thing I miss from Voyager that BSG does is not the scarcity but the personal dynamics, i.e. half the Voyager crew is freedom fighter space pirates and it almost never mattered.
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Jul 4, 2021 00:46
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PerniciousKnid posted:The thing I miss from Voyager that BSG does is not the scarcity but the personal dynamics, i.e. half the Voyager crew is freedom fighter space pirates and it almost never mattered. Chakotay is by far the worst offender here. He literally becomes a living embodiment of Quark's root beer starfleet speech by like the second episode.
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Jul 4, 2021 02:01
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https://trekmovie.com/2021/06/28/simon-pegg-working-on-galaxy-quest-tv-series/ tl;dr Simon Pegg is trying to make a Galaxy Quest TV show. If it's a straight up show set in the double fictional TV series, isn't that just The Orville? If it's about the world around the Galaxy Quest show... where does it go from the movie? Anyhow, if Pegg's doing it, I'll watch.
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Jul 4, 2021 02:07
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PerniciousKnid posted:The thing I miss from Voyager that BSG does is not the scarcity but the personal dynamics, i.e. half the Voyager crew is freedom fighter space pirates and it almost never mattered. Wasn't there an episode where, after re-establishing contact with the Alpha Quandrant, they received a Manchurian candidate trigger that turned them back into Maquis?
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Jul 4, 2021 03:32
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Computer, show me a picture of ‘too much’.
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Jul 4, 2021 03:38
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The_Doctor posted:Computer, show me a picture of ‘too much’. Computer, a phaser... but it looks like I could kill God with it. And like a paid $500 for it.
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Jul 4, 2021 04:41
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The_Doctor posted:Computer, show me a picture of ‘too much’. That thing is hideous. Why does it have Pike’s pistol barrel and tricorder data discs?
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Jul 4, 2021 05:12
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The_Doctor posted:Computer, show me a picture of ‘too much’. "Enterprise, what we got back...didn't live long...fortunately."
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Jul 4, 2021 05:39
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The_Doctor posted:Computer, show me a picture of ‘too much’. The ergonomics on that look terrible. I don't think there's any room in the triggerguard to stick a finger on the trigger, but it probably doesn't matter because that looks more like a dial anyways. Star Trek prop designers are really dismayed that the ultimate starfleet weapon is a lil' remote control thing and just desperately want an excuse to put together amped-up versions.
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Jul 4, 2021 06:41
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fuckin ugh that thing is gross
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Jul 4, 2021 07:04
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Christ on a cracker! What's wrong with the actual phaser rifle?
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Jul 4, 2021 07:25
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McSpanky posted:Christ on a cracker! What's wrong with the actual phaser rifle? The original TOS rifle is also ugly as sin. I kinda hate the idea of phaser rifles in general though. I get the upgrade from the little handheld remotes in TOS and TNG to actual pistol-grip versions for ergonomics and accuracy, but what exactly does a rifle format get you? A larger battery? Trek has a really bad track record for rifles, too. The original chunky TNG phaser rifle looks awful and the big weird handled Voyager one is possibly even worse. The only good one from that era is the First Contact design that smoothed out the edges of the TNG design. I do remember the MACO rifles on Enterprise looking decent, and the ones on Discovery are okay.
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Jul 4, 2021 07:31
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Big Mean Jerk posted:The original TOS rifle is also ugly as sin.
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Jul 4, 2021 10:09
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Doesn't the phaser rifle Kira shows off in DS9 have all sorts of ludicrious bells and whistles that get in the way of it being just a normal gun?
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Jul 4, 2021 10:19
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Never understood the point of a phaser rifle when the handheld ones can easily kill and Trek’s infantry tactics appear to be “run directly across open terrain toward an enemy in cover and concealment”
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Jul 4, 2021 10:44
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phasers are tools you need the right tool for the right job sometimes its a big job
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Jul 4, 2021 11:05
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Literally Lewis Hamilton posted:Never understood the point of a phaser rifle when the handheld ones can easily kill and Trek’s infantry tactics appear to be “run directly across open terrain toward an enemy in cover and concealment” Phaser 2 is more powerful than Phaser 1. iirc the reason why TNG went from the tiny phasers at the very beginning to the slightly bigger ones with the handle was because the tiny ones didn’t show up well on camera.
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Jul 4, 2021 11:54
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Doesn't the phaser rifle Kira shows off in DS9 have all sorts of ludicrious bells and whistles that get in the way of it being just a normal gun? It wasn't so much they got in the way as they weren't great when you had to upkeep them in the field for years straight as part of a guerrilla movement.
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Jul 4, 2021 12:15
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Luigi Thirty posted:Phaser 2 is more powerful than Phaser 1. Those little clicker things look like the most impossible to aim accurately aim weapon ever 
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Jul 4, 2021 12:41
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Thank you for also reminding me of the effects guy who had to try his best not to draw a Romulan disruptor beam aimed at Crusher’s boobs.
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Jul 4, 2021 12:50
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Seemlar posted:Those little clicker things look like the most impossible to aim accurately aim weapon ever You know those tricks to get your key fob to work at range to unlock your car? They all work here. Point the phaser upwards into your jaw and open your mouth
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Jul 4, 2021 13:14
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You want a real laser rifle? Lost in Space has you covered.
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Jul 4, 2021 13:15
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Seemlar posted:Those little clicker things look like the most impossible to aim accurately aim weapon ever They've got an AI with aim assist in them
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Jul 4, 2021 13:16
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multijoe posted:They've got an AI with aim assist in them "Now hold very still while I cut the alien parasite off your leg" <phaser auto-aim corrects and shoots them in the heart>
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Jul 4, 2021 13:37
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multijoe posted:They've got an AI with aim assist in them I just stunned my whole contacts list
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Jul 4, 2021 13:37
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The phasers just became sentient and is writing poetry in the sand. "It is quite obscene Captain "
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Star Trek phaser designs all look bad and the phaser rifles are literally the least stupid design in every series, even TOS and Voyager. They're still really stupid, though.
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