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Speaking of collaborators, Chinese students in Australia are still being watched by Chinese agents/fascist lickspittles and their families harassed back home and universities and the government are doing nothing to stop it.quote:Human Rights Watch says it has “verified three cases of students in which the police in China visited or asked to meet with their families regarding the student’s activities in Australia”. More from the ABC: Human Rights Watch reveals harassment, surveillance of Chinese students studying in Australia quote:As Bonnie Wong (ed: not her real name) watched a pro-democracy protest at the University of Queensland in mid-2019, she noticed some people loitering off to the side.The student did not recognise them, but their presence triggered both curiosity and fear. My last stint in academia was in the early 2000s and it was happening even then. The worst part is that it wasn't even people who weren't attending university most of the time, but other students who wanted to show how loyal and ready to root out badthink they were through performative acts of harassment and intimidation against students who thought democracy and freedom were worthwhile ideals. Surprising no one, I'm sure, most were also male students stalking young women for being insufficiently "pure" as either women or Chinese citizens because toxic masculinity is universal, sadly. Megillah Gorilla fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Jun 30, 2021 |
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Well, it's definitely something to be nervous about, but it seems like if you organize a protest that's supposed to send a message to China, it's kind of a success if you get proof that China is definitely listening? Although I guess you'd also probably want other countries of the world to be listening and think about sanctions.
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Jun 30, 2021 16:08
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That is just some chilling, 1984-esq poo poo. Ugh.
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Jun 30, 2021 17:21
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Surprising no one, I'm sure, most were also male students stalking young women for being insufficiently "pure" as either women or Chinese citizens because toxic masculinity is universal, sadly. oh god
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Jun 30, 2021 22:53
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It's so hosed up and the universities don't want to get involved because (a) it's politics and (b) so many of the students here are from overseas and are the only reason most universities haven't gone tits up after the past few conservative governments slashed their funding to the bone. We don't have "college football" to rake in billions, but we do have full fee paying overseas students. So, universities worry that, if they act against Chinese state agents and creepy failsons, then China might just ban their students from coming here. And, given that over a third of all our international students comes from China, that would be a huge hit to their income. So what if a few hundred/thousand suffer? Our universities get to pretend to be above it all, while raking in the cash. Video of Australian University Chancellors hearing the plight of democracy activists having their families' lives destroyed back home while saying there is nothing they can possibly do about it: 
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Jul 1, 2021 03:26
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Megillah Gorilla posted:It's so hosed up and the universities don't want to get involved because (a) it's politics and (b) so many of the students here are from overseas and are the only reason most universities haven't gone tits up after the past few conservative governments slashed their funding to the bone. I'm going to guess that a not insignificant part of this is also the "obviously you are racist against the Glorious People's Republic" sword hanging over them as well. It's not like China is reluctant to cart out that old chestnut whenever anyone dares criticize them.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:We don't have "college football" to rake in billions, but we do have full fee paying overseas students. College football isn't actually a money-maker for American universities as a whole. It can bring in huge revenues, but those are almost entirely spent on the football program itself (new stadiums/training facilities, higher salaries for coaches, etc) with maybe a little bit of subsidy to lower-profile sports. In any given year only maybe a dozen or two schools are making a profit from their football programs. https://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/sports/wp/2015/11/23/running-up-the-bills/
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Ponsonby Britt posted:College football isn't actually a money-maker for American universities as a whole. It can bring in huge revenues, but those are almost entirely spent on the football program itself (new stadiums/training facilities, higher salaries for coaches, etc) with maybe a little bit of subsidy to lower-profile sports. In any given year only maybe a dozen or two schools are making a profit from their football programs. this is correct
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Of course the money goes to the people running the program. What would be the point of running that grift, if money went to other people and funded education instead? [edit] welp, did not actually notice this was the China thread when going through my tabs. Munin fucked around with this message at 15:24 on Jul 2, 2021 |
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Jul 2, 2021 03:52
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Cool that talking about America in the China thread is apparently fine and definitely relevant now, on this topic
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ThomasPaine posted:Cool that talking about America in the China thread is apparently fine and definitely relevant now, on this topic Ughhh whataboutism much?! (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jul 2, 2021 14:58
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Here's some news that's not about America. https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1410560670739976194 Sounds bad.
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Jul 2, 2021 18:25
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Putin 2.0 sure seems to have decided what role he's going to play for the rest of his life.
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SlothfulCobra posted:Here's some news that's not about America. It's cute that they still put the little hammer and sickle, and dress in the Mao suit. Capitalism with Communist characteristics.
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Jul 2, 2021 18:41
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How are u posted:the Mao suit who wore it best, vote now!  and everyone voted so hard that
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Jul 2, 2021 18:47
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Mao was handsomer that's just facts
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Jul 2, 2021 19:13
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SlothfulCobra posted:Here's some news that's not about America. Imagine throwing this babytime tantrum publicly and threatening to invade a peaceful neighbor when your country is on the verge of demographic crisis, the entire domestic economy is geared towards selling people their third uninhabitable condo, and there is barely enough potable water to go around today let alone in five years. Truly America 2.0.
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There must be a rulebook for thin-skinned dictators somewhere given how closely they all follow the same script. poo poo's gonna suck for a whole lot of innocent people if Pooh Bear decides to really bring the boot down*. * further than he already has, I mean. Megillah Gorilla fucked around with this message at 09:22 on Jul 3, 2021 |
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Jul 3, 2021 09:18
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Very niche question but what exactly is stopping China setting up decent clean water supplies, especially in the bigger cities? They certainly have the resources to do it and seem pretty keen on big infrastructure projects as a rule.
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Jul 3, 2021 10:02
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Who gives a poo poo? Everyone that matters has clean water.
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Jul 3, 2021 12:58
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OK but cynically motivated or not you can hardly deny that the Chinese govt has put a lot of resources into poverty alleviation etc and other big infrastructure projects, so a big clean water initiative would be very on brand even if it was primarily done as a PR move
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ThomasPaine posted:OK but cynically motivated or not you can hardly deny that the Chinese govt has put a lot of resources into poverty alleviation etc and other big infrastructure projects, so a big clean water initiative would be very on brand even if it was primarily done as a PR move Sure I can, compared to what they could put in it's a loving pittance. Same as most other major nations. And they don't want to put in one more dime than they view as worth it. Clean water isn't worth the effort, so they don't do it. It's exactly that simple. They don't care, so they don't do it. It's not worth the effort. It's like asking why people are hungry and homeless in America, when for a fraction of the budget spent on the military they could take care of everyone in need.....you know the answer, why ask the question?
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Mulva posted:Sure I can, compared to what they could put in it's a loving pittance. Same as most other major nations. And they don't want to put in one more dime than they view as worth it. Clean water isn't worth the effort, so they don't do it. It's exactly that simple. What evidence is there of this?
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ThomasPaine posted:OK but cynically motivated or not you can hardly deny that the Chinese govt has put a lot of resources into poverty alleviation etc and other big infrastructure projects, so a big clean water initiative would be very on brand even if it was primarily done as a PR move
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Budzilla posted:Look up the South-to-North Water Transfer Project. You can read this PDF about Chinese water scarity. And then you can watch this video that touches on why the WTP is such a dumb idea that doesn't actually fix anything: https://youtu.be/nRUc4gTO-PE Might as well demand Mexico pay for it while you're at it
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The big problem is that there just isn't enough water for everything full stop. Conjuring up more potable water would take up stupendous amounts of energy which opens up a whole host of other problems. It's the kind of issue that is cropping up all over the place and there is unfortunately no magic handwavy solution for it. Doing something about climate change would help a bit... Oh, and watching that video it's amusing that it mentions "just raise water prices" when that is just another band aid with the impact falling on the people least able to afford it. There is definitely need to improve water efficiency but market based solutions often aren't very good at that. All the water available still gets consumed but just by different people.
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Jul 3, 2021 23:00
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Big desalination plants are an option, surely?
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ThomasPaine posted:Big desalination plants are an option, surely? I was about to ask this. Are they like super energy intensive?
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Jul 3, 2021 23:12
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Desalination is insanely energy intensive.
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And energy needs water to create as well. In general it is another band aid. Useful to make sure that household needs are satisfied and people don't die of thirst but not really economical for bulk uses.
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Munin posted:And energy needs water to create as well. idk how feasible it is on a fully china scale, but it's definitely feasible at an absolutely massive scale if there was interest and money behind it. There are a bunch of desal plants doing 500,000-1m cubic meters per day and actual costs are in the $2-$5 per 1000 gallons range, so it's not cheap but it's definitely not astronomically expensive either. Ends up being about double the cost of wastewater recycling. generally other, less ideal sources of water then get tapped for industrial purposes and irrigation and the like.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:idk how feasible it is on a fully china scale, but it's definitely feasible at an absolutely massive scale if there was interest and money behind it. There are a bunch of desal plants doing 500,000-1m cubic meters per day and actual costs are in the $2-$5 per 1000 gallons range, so it's not cheap but it's definitely not astronomically expensive either. Ends up being about double the cost of wastewater recycling. Yeah, but there is not enough water for the other stuff. That is the key problem. I don't think anyone here is saying that desalination is useless. It's just that it is in no way a silver bullet that will solve China's, or anyone else's, upcoming mass water shortages. [edit] In general you talk about desalination production in millions of cubic meters. National and global water consumption is talked about in cubic kilometers which is three orders of magnitude larger. The current global production is about 100 million cubic meters per day (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0048969718349167). That is still an order of magnitude less than the base unit we use to talk about national and global water consumption. Munin fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Jul 3, 2021 |
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https://twitter.com/yeongno3/status/1411361234461413380?s=20
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Jul 4, 2021 03:07
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McArthur was fired for considering that, dipshit.
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Right they just did a germ warfare instead
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Jul 4, 2021 03:12
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So what do you think about this tweet, OP? Do you have anything to add?
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How are u posted:So what do you think about this tweet, OP? Do you have anything to add? Why not answer the questions in the tweet.
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Bathtub Cheese posted:Why not answer the questions in the tweet. Seems that tweet is just a bunch of sweeping assumptions, to me. "Americans" all Americans? "Hate" really, hate? That's some pretty intense language. I'd say that Americans have very often cared about Chinese people and their right to democracy. I certainly do!
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Pretending Americans are a monolith or conflating individual Americans with their government is just as dumb as when people do it with China, OP. Yes due to recent events there’s scads of Americans and people in the west who did and still do know gently caress all about China and the Sinosphere who suddenly have very strongly held and probably very dumb opinions and it’s pretty in vogue to say certain rote phrases in regards to said opinions. But if you see some tweet thread with all of its 100 words or whatnot and think oh fuuuuck this is so good wow this is great, so deep, I better go post this with no context in a way that contributes nothing in a discussion thread, I’ll definitely have Owned some people via Tweets ™ from Twitter ™... ...you’re probably not much better than those people at the end of the day.
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How are u posted:Seems that tweet is just a bunch of sweeping assumptions, to me. "Americans" all Americans? "Hate" really, hate? That's some pretty intense language. I'd say that Americans have very often cared about Chinese people and their right to democracy. I certainly do! If Americans care so much about China, why isn't there any organized American support for this supposed political transformation besides efforts that are inextricable from US's geopolitical motives and state apparatus? Why do both major US political parties demonize the political institutions supported by the vast majority of people in China, despite their lack of "democracy"? Why are Asians regularly harassed and assaulted in the US under the assumption that they are Chinese?
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