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Ash Crimson posted:the uk is an abortion of a country its like 200 years old mate. Josef bugman posted:Seeing athletes do well is great, but it does not reflect the greatness of the country that produced them. It does actually, especially in team sports.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:It does actually, especially in team sports. Do you actually believe that?
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Jul 4, 2021 00:32
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Josef bugman posted:Do you actually believe that? Not when we lose. but yeah it is a measure of greatness, not the only one, but one.
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Jul 4, 2021 00:33
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Not when we lose. A pragmatist. Also who is this "we"? I didn't contribute a drat thing to the athletes doing very well.
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Jul 4, 2021 00:34
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NotJustANumber99 posted:its like 200 years old mate. I don't care
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Jul 4, 2021 00:34
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Josef bugman posted:A pragmatist. Also who is this "we"? I didn't contribute a drat thing to the athletes doing very well. Maybe pitch in a bit then. Ash Crimson posted:I don't care lol OK I believe you
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Jul 4, 2021 00:35
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What did you do?
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Jul 4, 2021 00:36
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Josef bugman posted:What did you do? I bought the stickers. I chanted and cheered. I participated in football competitions at various levels to provide the better players some opposition to hone their skills against. It trickled up.
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Jul 4, 2021 00:38
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Ash Crimson posted:the uk is an abortion of a country well yeah obviously
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Jul 4, 2021 00:44
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Buying stickers? Like the old football trading ones? How old are you? Did you chant and cheer at a stadium? Because otherwise you did that for you. I doubt folks learn from rolling over someone else.
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Jul 4, 2021 00:45
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Josef bugman posted:Buying stickers? Like the old football trading ones? How old are you? They still sell the stickers now? yes, sometimes at a stadium, other times not but that still matters. lol harsh burn.
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Jul 4, 2021 00:51
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Can't believe someone in this thread is trying to belong to something bigger than themselves, pure indervidualism is the only true way.
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Jul 4, 2021 00:54
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Nothingtoseehere posted:Can't believe someone in this thread is trying to belong to something bigger than themselves, pure indervidualism is the only true way. Belonging to something you helped with is great. But I don't think going "I am supporting these people who are doing all the work" is helpful. That and, to be honest, nationalism and the idea of nations in general is daft. We all contribute and are helpers to a lot of different causes, but I don't think feeling a personal connection to people you only see on TV is good. That and I resent the idea that "good sports people= good nation". Because, well, if that were true the USA has the most Olympic medals of all time, its still not the best place to live.
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Jul 4, 2021 00:58
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Josef bugman posted:Belonging to something you helped with is great. But I don't think going "I am supporting these people who are doing all the work" is helpful. That and, to be honest, nationalism and the idea of nations in general is daft. We all contribute and are helpers to a lot of different causes, but I don't think feeling a personal connection to people you only see on TV is good. Have you ever lived in america?
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Jul 4, 2021 01:08
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Have you ever lived in america? Have you? I'd probably have killed myself if I'd gone through the USA's mental healthcare net by this point in my life TBH.
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Jul 4, 2021 01:11
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Yep. It was really fun. gently caress yeah
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Jul 4, 2021 01:13
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Yep. It was really fun. gently caress yeah Good for you. Good sports doesn't make a good nation, and it's facile to pretend otherwise.
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Jul 4, 2021 01:18
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ur wrong (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jul 4, 2021 01:20
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If i was in charge of the england team i would make them wear big long clown shoes to increase their kicking range.
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Jul 4, 2021 01:48
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We don't really play the long ball game anymore
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Jul 4, 2021 01:50
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In Scotland? Can drive? Note the closing dates. Some are soon. Neil Gaiman shared this on Facebook: 
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Jul 4, 2021 01:57
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There are three great things about England doing well in a tournament. 1. Watching good sport 2. Having a good time cheering and hooting and singing and getting drunk with your friends and also a bunch of strangers 3. Ribbing all of the people who don’t care about it and to show they don’t care repeat over and over how they don’t care and want England to lose. I can never decide which one is more fun. All three are great though.
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Jul 4, 2021 02:21
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4. I get more hours selling pig snacks to people. And other crap they don't need.
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Jul 4, 2021 02:23
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OwlFancier posted:4. I get more hours selling pig snacks to people. And other crap they don't need. I’ve got to admit I’m curious as to what pig snacks are. Possibly pork scratchings but if not I’m going to need to try them
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Jul 4, 2021 02:27
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Basically yeah but I usually use it to describe all the various kinds of crunchy dessicated meat products that people buy in gigantic volumes during summer/footy.
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Jul 4, 2021 02:29
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Josef bugman posted:I mean land is just land, but I take your land.
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Jul 4, 2021 02:40
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Guavanaut posted:They were both born in the same hospital in NY, but I don't know if it was designed by Ivo Shandor.
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Jul 4, 2021 04:17
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It's coming home
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Jul 4, 2021 05:11
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OwlFancier posted:Basically yeah but I usually use it to describe all the various kinds of crunchy dessicated meat products that people buy in gigantic volumes during summer/footy. Pork scratchings are imo a bit overrated, but good beef jerky is really good. It has to be good tho, not the like weird shiny stuff. The more it looks like really old dry dog poo poo the better
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Jul 4, 2021 07:16
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There's a company based somewhere out of northumbria I think that does very nice jerky but jerky is too expensive for me generally. Like a pack of scratchings every now and then though.
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Jul 4, 2021 07:25
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Josef bugman posted:Good for you. Good sports doesn't make a good nation, and it's facile to pretend otherwise. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUVVbjdDjiQ
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Jul 4, 2021 07:32
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I don't think you can make international sports apolitical.
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Jul 4, 2021 07:33
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Sports people can be a measure of the quality of the country that produced them, as people's ability to get good at unproductive pointless poo poo is some signal of affluence and social safety nets. That is until goodharts law kicks in where sports performance has become a target and so ceases to be a measure of anything. This is why leader of the opposition, Marcus Rashford, is such a thorn in the side of the government when he points this out. This country does the bare minimum to nurture talent it cares about and is literally willing to let others starve. It's the exact same attitude to sport you get in communist countries. Chinese olympians... Russian chess players etc.
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Jul 4, 2021 07:38
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https://twitter.com/SeanMcCarthyCom/status/1411440863381762048 CMON ENGERLAND SCORE SOM FACKIN GOALS PawParole fucked around with this message at 07:57 on Jul 4, 2021 |
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Jul 4, 2021 07:49
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jiggerypokery posted:Sports people can be a measure of the quality of the country that produced them, as people's ability to get good at unproductive pointless poo poo is some signal of affluence and social safety nets. Team GB took this to extremes in the late 90s / early 00s when they started winning loads of golds in cycling and rowing events. They had a bunch of lottery money sloshing around and did an analysis of how they could get as much as possible out of it. Cycling and rowing were the sports they overwhelmingly pushed funds into because a) they both have a ton of events so lots of chances to pump up that medal total and b) unlike many of the track and field events they have a pretty significant barrier to entry in terms of kit required, which effectively bars developing nations from being able to properly compete
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Jul 4, 2021 07:53
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Ita obvious to the point of trivial but Team gb is far from the extremes of, say, China which started with boredderline concentration camps for ping pong (to be the best is more important than in what) and these days has expanded the model to Pick Your Olympic Sport. I'd love to know how long sport has been like this. Obviously it was in the 30's, we all know the stories of the rage of Hitler over the black athletes of the USA, and the fact that black athletes were even allowed to represent the USA, land of the free, back then. I'm sure there has always been an element of nationalist dick waving, but how long has sport been a naked tool of foreign policy and propaganda?
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Jul 4, 2021 08:21
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Only thing I dislike about big sporting events is the sports coverage spills out of its specified section (while England are winning atleast) . WW3 could have broken out and it would be relegated to some minor page.
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Jul 4, 2021 08:23
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I'm afraid so.
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Jul 4, 2021 08:23
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It's interesting that rock climbing is entering the Olympics now. The sport of rock climbing was completely revolutionised in the 80's and 90's by a bunch of kids from Sheffield on the dole who worked out how to get loving strong for it by largely inventing indoor climbing. The entire sport of climbing was dominated by British climbers for years who had the dole to thank. For a long while, the hardest route in France was named Agincort lol. Its a loving huge industry now, with most cities having nearly as many climbing walls as swimming pools, some of which are owned by that generation. Shauna Coxey is a real favourite to get a gold in Tokyo and she was at least coached by them and grew up climbing in their walls. It's just one example of how social safety nets produce innovation, and a prime example of sport can actually reflect certain positive things about the country the athletes come from. I'm sure they would have appreciated a bit more cash to upgrade the diet from custard cremes, but they were able to travel around a lot and climb which is where most of it went.
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Sports and nationalism are so interwoven into the culture of the working class of this country, that I find it hard to believe you can achieve socialism while disparaging it. I'm not calling for Starmer-esque flag shagging, but some appreciation of why people identify with their countrymen, especially in friendly competition like sports, is important if you want them to vote Labour.
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