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Euron's actor didn't have to give 114% for a character that was condemned from the start due to how terribly written it was, but he did, and for that he is awesome (the actor, not the character). I'm sure if D&D weren't egocentric control freaks and would have given him more liberty he'd probably have given a much more entertaining performance.
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You have to wonder why they even bothered with Dorne and the Iron Islands. It just felt like box-checking since they didn't use anything that was interesting about those parts of the books.
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TOOT BOOT posted:You have to wonder why they even bothered with Dorne and the Iron Islands. It just felt like box-checking since they didn't use anything that was interesting about those parts of the books. Like, I was kind of into Capn' Dany's Oops All Girlbosses squad when it was first introduced, but then they got chopped to loving pieces before they actually did anything. Eleria Sand and the Sand Snakes, as an immediate example, didn't exactly inspire in their first seasons since they had almost no character beyond "angry and horny," but as members of Dany's inner circle they had a lot of potential. For one thing they're far more vindictive and evil than most of the characters Dany's ever been associated with, and she would have had to deal with that. Not to mention the political instability that should have been created by her seizing power in Dorne by assassinating House Martel. A charismatic populist bastard killing the current leadership under pretext of his cowardice and treason to their kingdom's interests and then rallying the nobles of Dorne to wipe out the hated Lannisters in the name of her dead Paramour the incredibly beloved and famous Oberyn is a believable premise, but inevitably leads to the necessity of having to secure power against any who reject that rallying cry for any number of obvious reasons, right? That could have been Dany's first test in Westeros, dealing with the fallout of the most troublesome but also most valuable of the allies she's acquired. Instead absolutely nothing comes of the entire Dorne situation at all, to the point that the entire kingdom is dropped off the map the moment Cersei murders her daughter's killers. It seems Cersei getting to murder them is the only reason the Sands were included in the plot at all, because they have no other impact on the story unless you count their actions derailing Dorne coming into the Lannister fold. Its not hard at all to imagine similar story potential for Yara and Olenna and Dany having to deal with their alliance baggage and actually do some Queening in the regions that have sworn to her in order to get herself ready to take on Cersei. But, you know, no time for that, gotta WRAP. THIS. poo poo. UP.
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TOOT BOOT posted:You have to wonder why they even bothered with Dorne and the Iron Islands. It just felt like box-checking since they didn't use anything that was interesting about those parts of the books. The rest of the books never came out so they never got to crib the script for the interesting parts of the Dorne plot, and they realized they'd never be able to write a plot like that with any sort of competency. So they just dumped it as fast as possible. I remember people were so excited when that dude that played Dr Bashir(?) on Star Trek got cast, and then he did nothing and got unceremoniously murdered hahaha. lezard_valeth posted:Euron's actor didn't have to give 114% for a character that was condemned from the start due to how terribly written it was, but he did, and for that he is awesome (the actor, not the character). I'm sure if D&D weren't egocentric control freaks and would have given him more liberty he'd probably have given a much more entertaining performance. idgaf about GoT but Euron was fun as gently caress to watch. I would have loved to see him in Black Sails or something, and the fact that he's so stupid and out-of-place on this show did not detract from how cool it was to see him running around trying to gently caress the queen and killing off characters that everyone hated.
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The problem D&D faced with Euron is that they knew he was going to be a significant character going forward in the plot but had absolutely no idea how because GRRM himself didn’t know so you ended up with this meaningless bullshit. Euron in the books is already a weird rear end diversion from what should have been the start of trying to actually advance the already established plot lines left after the War of the Five Kings arc concluded.
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it's not like they needed to include euron though, considering how much else they cut. at least in the books he's a very interesting addition even if the plot should have been closing threads instead of spreading them out more surely d&d must have known grrm wasn't going to put out any more material as of season 6, that was probably the exact point the panic set in
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The most hilarious thing is that they could’ve solved all their problems by hiring competent writing staff and going hands off on the writing. They’d now be known as amazing show runners and probably be allowed to do that racist thing they wanted so much and also a Star War.
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Jul 4, 2021 10:21
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Instead all they got was millions and millions of dollars. Poor guys
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Jul 4, 2021 10:29
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Zzulu posted:Instead all they got was millions and millions of dollars. Poor guys Aren't we all excited for their new Netflix dramas! This one is about a neurotic professor played by Sandrah Oh!
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Zzulu posted:Instead all they got was millions and millions of dollars. Poor guys I mean they were trust fund kids to begin with so they were never in a position where money would ever be a worry for them in their entire lives. In a sane world this would immediately disqualify them from ever being allowed to shoulder any kind of responsibility but you know.
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Open Source Idiom posted:Aren't we all excited for their new Netflix dramas! This one is about a neurotic professor played by Sandrah Oh! This could only be made worse by being a CW show also.
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Jul 4, 2021 18:33
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Sanguinia posted:Instead absolutely nothing comes of the entire Dorne situation at all, to the point that the entire kingdom is dropped off the map the moment Cersei murders her daughter's killers. Dorne, that country notable for giving up at the first sign of adversity and definitely not holding grudges lol
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To avenge Oberyn the Sand Snakes decided to murder the rest of his family. Wait I think I spot a problem here.
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The Dornish kind of forgot about their grudges
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:To avenge Oberyn the Sand Snakes decided to murder the rest of his family. Shoulda done Darkstar. Then it all makes sense because he's of the night and all.
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Piell posted:The Dornish kind of forgot about their grudges Unbent, Unbowed, Unable to remember a loving thing.
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Jul 6, 2021 03:59
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Ellaria and the Sand Snakes kill Doran and his kid, which means they immediately get control of Dorne and the Yronwoods and Daynes and Blackwoods are like "aight cool"
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Pattonesque posted:Ellaria and the Sand Snakes kill Doran and his kid, which means they immediately get control of Dorne and the Yronwoods and Daynes and Blackwoods are like "aight cool" This looks worse when even in one of the bad seasons, when Littlefinger assumes control of the Vale he actually has to resolve the issue of the existing bannermen.
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Jul 6, 2021 10:47
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"Gendry, you are now Lord of Storms End. You will be a powerful ally." "Do we actually hold the castle? What have the rest of the Storm Lords sai-..." "You will be a powerful ally."
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Pattonesque posted:Ellaria and the Sand Snakes kill Doran and his kid, which means they immediately get control of Dorne and the Yronwoods and Daynes and Blackwoods are like "aight cool" There was a Varys line about how the lords of Dorne are at each other's throats or something to that effect but it got cut for time.
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Lol a single line that would have kept up the illusion that there was a world beyond the current scene and it was "cut for time"
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Jul 6, 2021 11:53
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Orange Devil posted:I mean they were trust fund kids to begin with so they were never in a position where money would ever be a worry for them in their entire lives. Tanking a the last few seasons of the most popular tv show ever made is better than most any other responsibility they could have There's an edit in there
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Vichan posted:There was a Varys line about how the lords of Dorne are at each other's throats or something to that effect but it got cut for time. Cut for time in a show that was allowed to go long if they felt like it.
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Baron von Eevl posted:Cut for time in a show that was allowed to go long if they felt like it. HBO should have known something was up the moment they offered Benioff and Weiss like two or three more seasons and they were like "what about just one more and it's only six episodes"
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Pattonesque posted:HBO should have known something was up the moment they offered Benioff and Weiss like two or three more seasons and they were like "what about just one more and it's only six episodes" I remember everyone confidently asserting that every episode would be 90+ minutes to make up for the short season, which would've been pretty cool. I think maybe two were 80 minutes and the rest were around the same as a regular episode.
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HBO offered them a blank check to use for how long they'd like and they refused. If Nomura has taught us anything, they could have forced their racist series pitch somewhere into the Game of Thrones universe if they were so bent on doing it.
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stev posted:I remember everyone confidently asserting that every episode would be 90+ minutes to make up for the short season, which would've been pretty cool. I think maybe two were 80 minutes and the rest were around the same as a regular episode. Yeah, when they said there would be "feature length" episodes for Season 8, people legit thought we'd be getting a bunch of 2 hour episodes and lol no.
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Yeah it frankly could have been really interesting television as the series was printing money at that point. Instead D&D looked for the next big paycheck and pissed both that and GoT away.
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lezard_valeth posted:If Nomura has taught us anything ?
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The time to stretch the series out to actually have a plot that makes sense was well before Season 8.
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If you make a succesful franchise and the studio gives you freeway to do whatever the hell you want with it, you can use it to insert your passion project the studio didn't allow you to do before.
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lezard_valeth posted:If you make a succesful franchise and the studio gives you freeway to do whatever the hell you want with it, you can use it to insert your passion project the studio didn't allow you to do before. Until you give an interview saying how you were seriously contemplating ripping up all the work* you’d done on a game that was pushing 10 years in development hell because you watched Les Misérables the other night and now want to turn the game into a big budget musical and you get fired for it 
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It's a Final Fantasy / Kingdom Hearts / Square Enix video games reference, and no, I didn't understand it either.
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Just got to the Battle of the Bastards in my rewatch and holy gently caress is it something else.
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i never got the love for battle of the bastards its an alright battle scene, but nothing so amazing yeah its gritty and feels realish i guess? but thats all
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BB2K posted:i never got the love for battle of the bastards It is amazing, particularly the single shot that follows Jon through the battle and the big crush that almost smothers him. The making of is interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B93k4uhpf7g
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BB2K posted:i never got the love for battle of the bastards It’s a really impressive cinematic production but also incredibly stupid.
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It's pretty interesting how Jon just straight up loses the battle, gets bailed out by Sansa and the knights of the Vale, and then everyone's all like "Jon won and avenged the Red Wedding, let's make him king". And it's like, okay, that's social commentary, but did the show runners intend it to be that (or if it's from GRRM's notes did they understand that it is), or are they playing it straight? And I feel like I know the answer to that, but I can't accept it because no one is that dumb.
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BB2K posted:i never got the love for battle of the bastards BotB rides high on the tide of catharsis brought from Ramsay Bolton finally eating three square meals of poo poo after being an invincible rear end in a top hat and vector of repetitive misery porn for like 3 years. The fact that it was stupid has no bearing because emotion always trumps logic and catharsis is one hell of an emotion.
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