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Do you prefer the extended summer thread format?
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Yes 126 44.21%
No 39 13.68%
I'm Scottish 120 42.11%
Total: 285 votes
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sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


Football is good and the current England team are a bunch of woke Marxist snowflakes which is even better imo

e: 1-3-6 could possibly be a formation in association football but I don't think anyone's ever used it even in the old days when they were mad like that.

sebzilla fucked around with this message at 08:50 on Jul 4, 2021

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OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I mean that's what the nationalists always say, you have to like it because everyone likes it. There is no room for the suggestion that you could actually have a valid reason to dislike it, just "oh someone shut the whiners up"

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

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It's just not for me. I like that other people do enjoy it though! It's nice to see people happy. Just maybe not at 1 am when your trying to sleep, that's all.

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!

Sure we joke, but we all know really that this sort of comment is a sentiment shared in the heart of all englanders.

I pray that they fail and that these urges remain dormant in the english peoples.

keep punching joe fucked around with this message at 09:01 on Jul 4, 2021

Jakabite
Jul 31, 2010
It’s cool and good for people to like different things, and concerns about nationalism are valid even if I don’t hugely agree with them in a practical sense. Even complaining that it seems to take everything over for a bit is fair - i get a bit peeved when it’s wall to wall bake off but that’s just living in a society.

The only truly melt thing is to just support whoever England are against. Absolute wet napkin behaviour that. My partners flat mate is doing it, ostensibly because of violence against women, which has led to him supporting paragon of gender equality Ukraine.

Azza Bamboo
Apr 7, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021
Rome broke our continent and now we have a deeply ingrained compulsion to witness hyper nationalism played out in stadia.

fridge corn
Apr 2, 2003

NO MERCY, ONLY PAIN :black101:
Some really insane takes about football itt lmao

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

KartooshFace, you are not responding efficiently!

Josef bugman posted:

It's just not for me. I like that other people do enjoy it though! It's nice to see people happy. Just maybe not at 1 am when your trying to sleep, that's all.

Yeah this. I don't dislike football because it's working class or because some of the fans are horrible. I just find that, out of all the codes of football that exist, and the theoretical codes that could exist, this particular combination of pitch size, player count, ball and goal size, and rules, produces a game that's quite boring. A view shared, at times, by some of the sport's most ardent fans, who often complain that a match was terrible and boring. But unlike me, they enjoy watching it for the times that it isn't.

Also it's very fitting for the British love of disapoinment and complaining :v:

And it's not hard to avoid except at times like this. And I was always happy for the beeb to be taken over by tennis for 2 weeks every year, so I just keep quiet and let people enjoy things. Except now. I shall resume.

jiggerypokery
Feb 1, 2012

...But I could hardly wait six months with a red hot jape like that under me belt.

keep punching joe posted:

Sure we joke, but we all know really that this sort of comment is a sentiment shared in the heart of all englanders.

I pray that they fail and that these urges remain dormant in the english peoples.

It's an Al Murray type joke

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Party Boat posted:

Team GB took this to extremes in the late 90s / early 00s when they started winning loads of golds in cycling and rowing events. They had a bunch of lottery money sloshing around and did an analysis of how they could get as much as possible out of it. Cycling and rowing were the sports they overwhelmingly pushed funds into because a) they both have a ton of events so lots of chances to pump up that medal total and b) unlike many of the track and field events they have a pretty significant barrier to entry in terms of kit required, which effectively bars developing nations from being able to properly compete

I'm sure it's also just coincidence that rowing and cycling are more purely reliant on outright physical conditioning than any sports apart from track and (most) field events, and that there's a particularly well-known path that allows large, well-funded teams to massively improve physical conditioning in a relatively short time.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

sebzilla posted:

e: 1-3-6 could possibly be a formation in association football but I don't think anyone's ever used it even in the old days when they were mad like that.

Ossie Ardiles used it when he wanted to park the bus.

Azza Bamboo
Apr 7, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021
Football's coming home after a few too many pints at spoons and a kebab.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Ossie Ardiles used it when he wanted to park the bus.

How is sending your whole team up front parking the bus?

jiggerypokery
Feb 1, 2012

...But I could hardly wait six months with a red hot jape like that under me belt.

goddamnedtwisto posted:

I'm sure it's also just coincidence that rowing and cycling are more purely reliant on outright physical conditioning than any sports apart from track and (most) field events, and that there's a particularly well-known path that allows large, well-funded teams to massively improve physical conditioning in a relatively short time.

Drugs? It's drugs isn't it.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
https://twitter.com/sajidjavid/status/1411588996979900416?s=19

Jesus gently caress

Aphex-
Jan 29, 2006

Dinosaur Gum
International football is good craic. Every time it happens there are always people falling over themselves to declare that they don't like it the most and therefore no one else should. Just let people enjoy things.

Reveilled
Apr 19, 2007

Take up your rifles

Jakabite posted:

It’s cool and good for people to like different things, and concerns about nationalism are valid even if I don’t hugely agree with them in a practical sense. Even complaining that it seems to take everything over for a bit is fair - i get a bit peeved when it’s wall to wall bake off but that’s just living in a society.

The only truly melt thing is to just support whoever England are against. Absolute wet napkin behaviour that. My partners flat mate is doing it, ostensibly because of violence against women, which has led to him supporting paragon of gender equality Ukraine.

Supporting whoever England are against is a time honoured Scottish tradition and I won’t stand to hear it disparaged in this way! Never known someone to do it cause of a political cause though, it’s mostly just wanting your haughty and arrogant neighbour taken down a peg or two.

That said, if England do finally win I look forward to English comrades being able to attribute it to the power of BLM and Marxism.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Failed Imagineer posted:

How is sending your whole team up front parking the bus?

He's got one defender on the pitch, is that not good enough for you Mister Catenaccio?

(Assuming you're either a non-football fan or an actual child who doesn't remember the 90s - both mortal sins but nobody's perfect - Ossie's managerial career at Spurs and (particularly) Newcastle was infamous for his habit of just throwing attackers at every single problem, including more than once playing a formation that could only be described as 0-4-6 because even though he had 4 nominal defenders on the pitch they were all attacking fullbacks)

Jakabite
Jul 31, 2010

Reveilled posted:

Supporting whoever England are against is a time honoured Scottish tradition and I won’t stand to hear it disparaged in this way! Never known someone to do it cause of a political cause though, it’s mostly just wanting your haughty and arrogant neighbour taken down a peg or two.

That said, if England do finally win I look forward to English comrades being able to attribute it to the power of BLM and Marxism.

Oh I only meant English people who do that, it is only right that any other country, particularly our neighbours, should be rooting for us to be annihilated. It’s part of the fun!

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

where did that other dog come from

who is he


goddamnedtwisto posted:

I'm sure it's also just coincidence that rowing and cycling are more purely reliant on outright physical conditioning than any sports apart from track and (most) field events, and that there's a particularly well-known path that allows large, well-funded teams to massively improve physical conditioning in a relatively short time.

Oh yeah the Lance Armstrong method definitely helps lol

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I think living here gives you more right than most people to wish for annihilation to be honest.

Azza Bamboo
Apr 7, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021
If anyone is going to annihilate England it will be England. We are the best at annihilating world cultures.

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


I hope it comes home personally

Jakabite
Jul 31, 2010

Communist Thoughts posted:

I hope it comes home personally

There is no hope about it. It’s coming home.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Depending on the overall mass of the universe, everything is coming home, eventually.

Jakabite
Jul 31, 2010

OwlFancier posted:

Depending on the overall mass of the universe, everything is coming home, eventually.

And Home is also coming to It in that sense I suppose

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

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Wgen sung at about midnight the simple words "it's coming home" become something like an eldritch chant. It's very cool.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Also eldritch in that it torments the dreams of sleepers and drives people to madness if repeated often enough.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

quote:

"Bread and circuses" (or bread and games; from Latin: panem et circenses) is a metonymic phrase referring to superficial appeasement. It is attributed to Juvenal, a Roman poet active in the late first and early second century CE — and is used commonly in cultural, particularly political, contexts.

In a political context, the phrase means to generate public approval, not by excellence in public service or public policy, but by diversion, distraction or by satisfying the most immediate or base requirements of a populace[1] — by offering a palliative: for example food (bread) or entertainment (circuses).

Juvenal, who originated the phrase, used it to decry the "selfishness" of common people and their neglect of wider concerns.[2][3][4] The phrase implies a population's erosion or ignorance of civic duty as a priority.[5]

Ancient Rome

This phrase originates from Rome in Satire X of the Roman satirical poet Juvenal (c. CE 100). In context, the Latin panem et circenses (bread and circuses) identifies the only remaining interest of a Roman populace which no longer cares for its historical birthright of political involvement. Here Juvenal displays his contempt for the declining heroism of contemporary Romans, using a range of different themes including lust for power and desire for old age to illustrate his argument.[6] Roman politicians passed laws in 140 CE to keep the votes of poorer citizens, by introducing a grain dole: giving out cheap food and entertainment, "bread and circuses", became the most effective way to rise to power.

[...] iam pridem, ex quo suffragia nulli / uendimus, effudit curas; nam qui dabat olim / imperium, fasces, legiones, omnia, nunc se / continet atque duas tantum res anxius optat, / panem et circenses. [...]

... Already long ago, from when we sold our vote to no man, the People have abdicated our duties; for the People who once upon a time handed out military command, high civil office, legions — everything, now restrains itself and anxiously hopes for just two things: bread and circuses.[7]

—Juvenal, Satire 10.77–81
Juvenal here makes reference to the Roman practice of providing free wheat to Roman citizens as well as costly circus games and other forms of entertainment as a means of gaining political power. The Annona (grain dole) was begun under the instigation of the popularis politician Gaius Sempronius Gracchus in 123 BCE; it remained an object of political contention until it was taken under the control of the autocratic Roman emperors.



source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_circuses

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Jakabite posted:

Oh I only meant English people who do that, it is only right that any other country, particularly our neighbours, should be rooting for us to be annihilated. It’s part of the fun!

It's not fun. It's not remotely fun, it's a necessity to see perfidious Albion lose. It's like hoping the Old Firm lose, a matter of surviving the smugness of the worst fans in the world.

Isomermaid
Dec 3, 2019

Swish swish, like a fish
It's coming home, and every time we do this it closes the distance by half. It must never be home, it must be coming home forever. Zeno's on a shirt.

Jakabite
Jul 31, 2010

forkboy84 posted:

It's not fun. It's not remotely fun, it's a necessity to see perfidious Albion lose. It's like hoping the Old Firm lose, a matter of surviving the smugness of the worst fans in the world.

Maybe I should have clarified it’s part of the fun for us :dance:

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

OwlFancier posted:

There's a company based somewhere out of northumbria I think that does very nice jerky but jerky is too expensive for me generally.
Summer is a good time for making biltong if you like jerky.

Not So Fast posted:

Sports and nationalism are so interwoven into the culture of the working class of this country, that I find it hard to believe you can achieve socialism while disparaging it. I'm not calling for Starmer-esque flag shagging, but some appreciation of why people identify with their countrymen, especially in friendly competition like sports, is important if you want them to vote Labour.

keep punching joe posted:

Sure we joke, but we all know really that this sort of comment is a sentiment shared in the heart of all englanders.

I pray that they fail and that these urges remain dormant in the english peoples.
These are the real reasons there will never be a British team.

Jakabite posted:

The only truly melt thing is to just support whoever England are against. Absolute wet napkin behaviour that. My partners flat mate is doing it, ostensibly because of violence against women, which has led to him supporting paragon of gender equality Ukraine.
Every World Cup/Euros I see that loving "50 billion women are murdered by their drunk skinhead husbands because a football exists" meme and it's bollocks, the earlier American meme it's based on is bollocks, all the studies that selectively massage stats to try to prove it are bollocks, and if they want to ban the cultural event responsible for the most domestic violence, that's Christmas and I'd be right there with them, but they never do.

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

where did that other dog come from

who is he



*me, the enlightened philosopher, outside a bakery*

Those poor blinkered fools...

fridge corn
Apr 2, 2003

NO MERCY, ONLY PAIN :black101:

Guavanaut posted:

These are the real reasons there will never be a British team.

There is a British football team that competes in the Olympics

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
How much fanfare does it get compared to the FA level teams?

Pablo Bluth
Sep 7, 2007

I've made a huge mistake.

fridge corn posted:

There is a British football team that competes in the Olympics
That was a one-off for the British Olympics. The Scottish, Welsh and Irish FAs are all petrified that one day FIFA might decide that, actually, there ought to be a single UK team instead of four. They begrudgingly came up with a plan for 2012 but only because it was being hosted in London. There hasn't been an entry since. We did also entry up until the 70s but that was due to a distinction between amateur and professional status which avoided the problem.

a pipe smoking dog
Jan 25, 2010

"haha, dogs can't smoke!"

RIP everyone who's not double vaxxed I guess. Feel really poo poo for everyone who is going to have to use public transport now that the govement is actively encouraging people not to wear masks or distance.

Also congratulation to eggman for making App Hancock look competent.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Why are they discouraging masks? I can understand wanting to end lockdowns and shop closures and distancing from a selfish economic recovery perspective, but masks seem like they'd be a benefit if you wanted to do all that with minimal consequences.

Is it like the bit in his Ayn Rand fairytales where they all smoke cigarettes to show how intellectual they are and make their lungs stronger?

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Jakabite
Jul 31, 2010
Javid is a free market poo poo and his reasoning is I’m sure not based in anything like altruism or care, but it doesn’t seem controversial to say that we will have to live with it like flu. I thought that was relatively uncontroversial at this point - that it isn’t going to go away completely and like flu there’ll be an acceptable death toll each year from it. Whether that’s ah argument for opening up now is a whole other thing but there will come a point we have to and I don’t think COVID-19 will ever be eliminated globally (and therefore anywhere really).

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