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you should never be logged into a linux machine for long enough to need to configure a text editor. vi/vim is for editing enough system config to be able to remotely work on files on the machine from an actual desktop OS
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the last time i used eclipse, probably 15 years ago, it appeared to be an incisive if sardonic philosophical commentary on the nature of abstract hierarchies and organizations. just absolutely incomprehensible bullshit where basic functionality was hidden into endless nested accessory panes with labels like “fables” and “episodes” also an enormous amount of their developer energy went into technical underpinnings that constantly broke, like they had their own windowing toolkit built on top of native facilities. which is good because it means you get the benefit of native look-and-feel, right? and yet eclipse never felt well-integrated with the os, like i think it had its own notably inferior open/save dialogs that all strongly suggests a degree of terrible project leadership which is really hard to overcome, so i assume it’s still basically like that
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does anybody ever use or want all the project-management bullshit in eclipse? I've written code for like 8 different embedded platforms that all ship Eclipse+plugin as their SDK, never once had any interest in literally 90% of eclipse's features
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Poopernickel posted:does anybody ever use or want all the project-management bullshit in eclipse? IBM maybe
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namlosh posted:IBM maybe for awhile we used their rational team concert vcs which came with an eclipse plugin that looks like 
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Jul 4, 2021 02:22
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carry on then posted:for awhile we used their rational team concert vcs which came with an eclipse plugin that looks like exactly what you'd expect from a company that thought lotus notes was a great platform for `apps`
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Jul 4, 2021 03:55
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what if I want to chat and code at the SameTime!
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Jul 4, 2021 05:05
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Amethyst posted:Why on earth would you use anything but visual studio for c#
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Jul 4, 2021 05:06
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Eclipse CDT is the only IDE that can properly index the Linux kernel. Every year I check if I can get CLion to do so but so far it just isn’t possible. It is getting better though!
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Jul 4, 2021 05:34
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carry on then posted:for awhile we used their rational team concert vcs which came with an eclipse plugin that looks like I think they've stopped supporting it now but for a while their eclipse clearcase plugin was based on libraries deprecated in 2010. 
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Jul 4, 2021 05:38
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infernal machines posted:
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Kazinsal posted:you should never be logged into a linux machine for long enough to need to configure a text editor. Kazinsal posted:vi/vim is for editing enough system config to be able to remotely work on files on the machine from an actual desktop OS durr. just use emacs with tramp.
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carry on then posted:eclipse is on a slow slide into irrelevancy, but i don't think any of the maintainers are interested in eclipse being anything other than what it is now so i don't see that being averted any time soon Eclipse is mission critical in Italy, since both the finance and custom ministries use a modded eclipse as a framework for paperwork filling for citizens. It’s a definite improvement from the previous thousand Java webstart apps that worked once every ten attempts.
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eclipse sure is clunky, and indeed has a whole world of strange concepts it is built on, but i suspect i'll outlive a lot of IDEs and other things people love a lot more. for one it does just about everything important (while doing almost nothing really convenient) in a pretty scalable way, but mostly because tons of customizations and bespoke pieces of software are built on it which wont go away for a very long time (i.e. italy above is not at all unique).
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i liked eclipse better than netbeans
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SlowBloke posted:Eclipse is mission critical in Italy, since both the finance and custom ministries use a modded eclipse as a framework for paperwork filling for citizens. It’s a definite improvement from the previous thousand Java webstart apps that worked once every ten attempts. wait what? like you file taxes by downloading some custom eclipse thing that has a bunch of forms to fill in? or is it more for businesses and poo poo? that is bizarre, what is that called?
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Phobeste posted:wait what? like you file taxes by downloading some custom eclipse thing that has a bunch of forms to fill in? or is it more for businesses and poo poo? that is bizarre, what is that called? the "ministries" suggest that it is what covers the screen of the public servants dealing with these matters. which is one of those places where i suspect eclipse is an excellent base to build on (comes with a sensible componentization, highly configurable and scriptable, accessibility tools, has a decent deployment story built right in, etc.) again a world of clunk that i am very happy is out of my life, but in my mind more or less joins java in the category "will do what i need without surprise traps or limitations loving me over".
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Phobeste posted:wait what? like you file taxes by downloading some custom eclipse thing that has a bunch of forms to fill in? or is it more for businesses and poo poo? that is bizarre, what is that called? https://www.agenziaentrate.gov.it/portale/Servizi/ServiziTrasversali/Altri/DesktopTelematico/ every form you need to compile that is not the precalculated forms(which are provided in a tablet friendly html5 site), ranging from individual citizen to huge firm, is a eclipse plugin which add the form and the verification formulas.  Cybernetic Vermin posted:the "ministries" suggest that it is what covers the screen of the public servants dealing with these matters. which is one of those places where i suspect eclipse is an excellent base to build on (comes with a sensible componentization, highly configurable and scriptable, accessibility tools, has a decent deployment story built right in, etc.) it was a multimillion euro system upgrade from the previous entratel platform which was a hodgepodge of bad code running exclusively on windows, no public servant got involved in the design choices that led to eclipse used as framework beside kickbacks SlowBloke fucked around with this message at 13:31 on Jul 4, 2021 |
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SlowBloke posted:https://www.agenziaentrate.gov.it/portale/Servizi/ServiziTrasversali/Altri/DesktopTelematico/ that's pretty cool! weird (as an american) to see a government occasionally wanting to make little things like forms better for the people who use it
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The gov.uk site is pretty good iirc, or at least was in the brief period after it went up but before I moved to the states.
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DoomTrainPhD posted:Eclipse CDT is the only IDE that can properly index the Linux kernel. Every year I check if I can get CLion to do so but so far it just isn’t possible. It is getting better though! it has to be close now that clion has makefile support and the kernel can be built with the llvm toolchain. i believe the main blocker as of a few months ago were the gnu specific extensions the kernel uses, which caused the clangd based parser to fail on some macros
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Phobeste posted:that's pretty cool! weird (as an american) to see a government occasionally wanting to make little things like forms better for the people who use it The way us does taxes (much like banking) is pretty much incomprehensible from an euro point of view. Having a standardized, simple (and no cost to the user) way to digitally intake all the data is pretty much an immediate return of investment, rather than having to deal with multiple commercial products that might or might not provide good outputs.
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hifi posted:idgi that's a whole pile of different enterprise "security" and backup programs, each of which are individually capable of murdering your machine's performance
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Plorkyeran posted:that's a whole pile of different enterprise "security" and backup programs, each of which are individually capable of murdering your machine's performance most of those are gone now, replaced with crowdstrike and crashplan performance remains the same
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SlowBloke posted:The way us does taxes (much like banking) is pretty much incomprehensible from an euro point of view. Having a standardized, simple (and no cost to the user) way to digitally intake all the data is pretty much an immediate return of investment, rather than having to deal with multiple commercial products that might or might not provide good outputs. the us has this, both behind the scenes and as a consumer-facing product. for the latter you do have to know how to do your taxes, and there’s stuff it could compute for you that it unnecessarily doesn’t, but it exists individual states, though, no
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Plorkyeran posted:that's a whole pile of different enterprise "security" and backup programs, each of which are individually capable of murdering your machine's performance that combination on a mac that almost certainly had a mechanical hard drive and 4gb ram would be just astoundingly bad
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infernal machines posted:that combination on a mac that almost certainly had a mechanical hard drive and 4gb ram would be just astoundingly bad the thinkpad i was issued in 2014 still had a spinning platter hard drive. made for a nice 15 minutes in the morning waiting for everything to start
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DoomTrainPhD posted:Eclipse CDT is the only IDE that can properly index the Linux kernel. Every year I check if I can get CLion to do so but so far it just isn’t possible. It is getting better though! what's kernel coding like
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rjmccall posted:the us has this, both behind the scenes and as a consumer-facing product. for the latter you do have to know how to do your taxes, and there’s stuff it could compute for you that it unnecessarily doesn’t, but it exists wow. america sounds awesome
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Amethyst posted:what's kernel coding like It’s fine. I do embedded Linux work so my drivers tend to be very direct and to the point for a specific product and layout (for the most part.)
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just use linuxhttps://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/sql-server/update-beta-program-for-sql-server-on-windows-container-is/ba-p/2516639 posted:Update- Beta program for SQL Server on Windows container is suspended.
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eh, that was the dumb way to run it anywayCybernetic Vermin posted:in other news it is 2021 and the most convenient way of running sql server 2019 on windows is by launching the linux docker image in wsl.
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I'm excited for a future where windows server is deprecated in its entirety
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r u ready to WALK posted:I'm excited for a future where windows server is deprecated in its entirety this but all computers
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Wasn't SQL Server already running and still supported on Core Server? Should there really be any difference?
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r u ready to WALK posted:I'm excited for a future where windows is deprecated in its entirety
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jim salter at ars joins the growing ranks of people who have never used a microsoft beta os before today hint: they all look like this well past the release candidate stage
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i like the part where he downloads a random game then expresses shock that the microsoft store is still an unflushed toilet
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i like where the professional journalist posts screenshots of test-running an os which include all the chrome of his virtual machine
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