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| BUCKS VS KING AND PENTA |
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27 | 29.35% |
| BOY VS JACK |
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2 | 2.17% |
| MIRO VS PILLMAN |
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6 | 6.52% |
| MJF VS SAM |
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57 | 61.96% |
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MassRafTer posted:Because he's the #1 contender and they just did an angle for it after teasing the angle for weeks! It's really bad booking to do another challenger when you have your top contender doing angles with the champion. Don't book the angles if you are going to have a lower ranked challenger first. They set Jericho/Cody for Full Gear two months in advance and still tossed a Darby match in there. If you wanted to give more justification than "big match go on PPV," you could have Hangman waffle for a week or two while Christian or whoever signs a contract for an obligated title defense, but there have been plenty of non-No. 1 contenders who have gotten title shots and plenty of No. 1 contenders who haven't. The rankings are super pliable
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Jul 5, 2021 05:42
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Bard Maddox posted:BTE got me thinking: how many people on the AEW roster do you think can dunk a basketball on a regulation 10 foot hoop are they allowed to use inanimate objects?
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Jul 5, 2021 05:42
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xbilkis posted:Promoter wants the money match on the paid show! If you're going to put the money match on the place where it's worth the most money, that's probably TV, not PPV.
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Jul 5, 2021 05:46
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Penguin Patrol posted:are they allowed to use inanimate objects? no objects, just their own hops
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Jul 5, 2021 05:46
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xbilkis posted:They set Jericho/Cody for Full Gear two months in advance and still tossed a Darby match in there. If you wanted to give more justification than "big match go on PPV," you could have Hangman waffle for a week or two while Christian or whoever signs a contract for an obligated title defense, but there have been plenty of non-No. 1 contenders who have gotten title shots and plenty of No. 1 contenders who haven't. The rankings are super pliable The key difference is Hangman is the person people expect to win the title. It's not just that he's #1 contender, he's the most likely next champion and they've been teasing it for weeks and then shot an angle. It's a pretty different situation than when you are doing the first defense for a title. And then they had about a month from the debut of Dynamite to Full Gear, so they had a reason to shoot angles before doing a match with Darby. They had 2 and a half months before All Out when they started doing obvious teases and 2 months when they did the angle on Wednesday. It's very weird to do that if you are planning another defense in between because it takes the edge off it.
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Jul 5, 2021 05:53
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https://www.f4wonline.com/aew-news/aews-kenny-omega-feeling-better-after-stem-cell-treatment-346016 Yeah I think we're just going to go with the build to Hangman and I'm guessing Kenny is just gonna do some tags till the PPV ...Or will do like Tanahashi and still work an insane schedule and do stuff like the High Fly Flow cause....Wrestling!
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Jul 5, 2021 06:07
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MassRafTer posted:The key difference is Hangman is the person people expect to win the title. It's not just that he's #1 contender, he's the most likely next champion and they've been teasing it for weeks and then shot an angle. It's a pretty different situation than when you are doing the first defense for a title. And then they had about a month from the debut of Dynamite to Full Gear, so they had a reason to shoot angles before doing a match with Darby. They did have MJF challenge Mox and then do Darby vs. Mox in the meantime and work the build for the MJF match into that match. MJF wasn't exactly expected to win, but he also wasn't a clear throwaway challenger. I dunno what the equivalent of that would be here, though.
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Jul 5, 2021 06:09
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MJeff posted:They did have MJF challenge Mox and then do Darby vs. Mox in the meantime and work the build for the MJF match into that match. MJF wasn't exactly expected to win, but he also wasn't a clear throwaway challenger. That Darby challenge seemed very random at the time and the MJF build was not beloved so neither was really that great. (The matches were still very good.) This is the big title match for AEW. There's ways they can do this and work. They can have Omega brutally injure Hangman, they can play off that Omega is afraid of Hangman and challenge someone else while acting like he's being a good buddy to Hangman, or they can have Hangman lose a match. Or they can throw in a random match in the middle. I just don't see the reason to do it now unless you are doing the match soon.
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Jul 5, 2021 06:14
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MassRafTer posted:That Darby challenge seemed very random at the time and the MJF build was not beloved so neither was really that great. This is the big title match for AEW. There's ways they can do this and work. They can have Omega brutally injure Hangman, they can play off that Omega is afraid of Hangman and challenge someone else while acting like he's being a good buddy to Hangman, or they can have Hangman lose a match. I think we're more or less on the same page, actually. It definitely would be weird to do a match on the scale of Darby-Kenny before getting to Hangman. The only thing I was imagining happening before Hangman is a short build to a more minor title defense (Christian? OC solo rematch?) at Fyter Fest, and "Playing off that Omega is afraid of Hangman by having him pretend to be friendly or challenge someone else" is one of the ways I could imagine them getting there. They could also put Hangman through an ~official~ No. 1 Contender Match to justify him not getting a title shot until after Fyter Fest, which is something they used to stretch out the foregone conclusion Moxley-Jericho story a lil bit (I would also be fine if Omega just didn't defend the belt before All Out!)
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Jul 5, 2021 06:22
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MassRafTer posted:He's the #1 contender and they are starting a heavy build to it. Either they do it before All Out or Hangman needs to fail for other challengers to make sense. You could theoretically do a story with him ducking Page but I’m not sure how that’d work with the ranking system.
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Jul 5, 2021 06:24
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The only reason I'm hesitant to have Hangman lose and work his way back up, is that they JUST had him lose to Cage and only through other challengers in the rankings losing did Page manage to slip back into top 5. Just feels like a trick you can only do so many times, and maybe not with the same person each time. Frankly him and Kenny having a draw would suck majorly, but it's probably doable. Not sure if you have Hangman win after the draw or if Omega gets DQed or whatever. Turning it into a best of 3 series gives you some narrative to play with, but it's hard to do with the rankings in mind.
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Jul 5, 2021 07:19
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Could have Kenny and the Bucks abuse their power as EVPs to get Hangman in a bunch of matches with good wrestlers, while trying to set up lower ranked people to get a bunch of easier wins so they become #1 contender via record. But that doesn't really fit with the style of heel they've been going for with the Elite.
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Jul 5, 2021 07:20
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SilverMike posted:Could have Kenny and the Bucks abuse their power as EVPs to get Hangman in a bunch of matches with good wrestlers  heel authority figures
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Jul 5, 2021 07:22
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maybe that’s why Kenny got the HHH facial hair 
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Jul 5, 2021 07:23
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I don't think hangman loses I just don't think he wins the first match.
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Jul 5, 2021 07:26
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he should never lose to kenny. and if it's not okada then hangman should be kenny's last opponent as well. career on the line. in 5 years maybe. 3 years. 8 years
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Jul 5, 2021 07:30
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Quantum of Phallus posted:maybe that’s why Kenny got the HHH facial hair kenny is reign of terror HHH, moxley is now current day Paul I think, for one night only, we need alex reynolds to go full  so we can have the irl triple hhh and then cody beats them all up
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Jul 5, 2021 07:31
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Maxwell Lord posted:You could theoretically do a story with him ducking Page but I’m not sure how that’d work with the ranking system. Kenny ducking him and using every trick in the book not to face him would be pretty good actually.
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Jul 5, 2021 07:33
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Zombie Lemur posted:Callis should eat some kind of move, I feel like he's earned it.
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Jul 5, 2021 07:34
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Vince MechMahon posted:I don't think hangman loses I just don't think he wins the first match. You think an American TV promotion does a 60 minute draw in 2021 (unless there’s some other way to not win without losing that’s not coming to my mind)? I can’t see them doing that, and honestly I think they might give it another couple PPV cycles before they drop another one after how PAC/OC ended up executed due to OC’s injury.
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Jul 5, 2021 07:48
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boxcarhobo posted:kenny is reign of terror HHH, moxley is now current day Paul 
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Jul 5, 2021 07:48
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the hangman redemption story has been going for two years. the build to him and kenny started like a year and a half ago when they won the tag titles. they already had a ppv match against each other, which hangman lost, that began kenny's entire heel turn and title run. that was eight months ago. they've got another two months of tv to build to the ppv where they're presumably going to have the title match. if hangman's gonna win this is the time to do it dragging it out any further would be dumb
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Jul 5, 2021 07:52
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i have been informed that shaved head big beard mox is fake, moxley just got a short haircut and his beard is still the same size
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Jul 5, 2021 08:15
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Assuming Page takes the title off Kenny, who's next? Pac? Also, does Kenny lose the AEW title before or after the Impact and AAA titles?
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Jul 5, 2021 08:35
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boxcarhobo posted:kenny is reign of terror HHH, moxley is now current day Paul
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Jul 5, 2021 08:44
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MassRafTer posted:He's the #1 contender and they are starting a heavy build to it. Either they do it before All Out or Hangman needs to fail for other challengers to make sense.
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Jul 5, 2021 08:50
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sticklefifer posted:Assuming Page takes the title off Kenny, who's next? Pac? People keep saying MJF but I think it needs to be PAC because a) he's incredible and b) it brings Hangman's story full circle to the initial AEW presser where he said he'd be AEW champ and PAC came out and said he'd never let that happen
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Jul 5, 2021 09:01
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No matter what the circumstances, I agree with the notion that PAC should be the next champion on account of him owning. If not him, I think it would be cool if a guy like Andrade could effectively be heated up quickly to take the title from Hangman, because then it would feel less like the AEW Championship lineage was on rails
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Jul 5, 2021 09:14
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got in the cups earlier with a friend who loves and religiously watches BTE but actively avoids the actual show because “wrestling is fake”. we’ve been talking for well over a year at this point about various storylines, etc but I finally (politely) snapped at her when she said Page doesn’t “deserve” to be champ because he’s a “pathetic drunk who is being controlled by a cult who just keeps him drunk”. Explaining what is happening on the actual show alongside what’s on BTE, which is basically just supplementary material made her do a total 180 on that. I honestly wonder how things look so far as stories go from the point of view of a person who’s only understanding of AEW is from BTE and wrestler’s social media without seeing any in-ring storytelling or promos on the actual show. (…also, how someone can be more okay with 10’s severe coke habit than Hangman constantly having a drink in his hand like that one guy from Trailer Park Boys)
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Jul 5, 2021 09:28
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the escape goat posted:got in the cups earlier with a friend who loves and religiously watches BTE but actively avoids the actual show because “wrestling is fake”. we’ve been talking for well over a year at this point about various storylines, etc but I finally (politely) snapped at her when she said Page doesn’t “deserve” to be champ because he’s a “pathetic drunk who is being controlled by a cult who just keeps him drunk”. when they flipped the car into a ditch and Julian still got out of the back with his drink in tact was an all time TPB moment
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Jul 5, 2021 09:37
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boxcarhobo posted:when they flipped the car into a ditch and Julian still got out of the back with his drink in tact was an all time TPB moment all the more reason to not bag on Hangmin for it! …I do honestly wonder if 10’s drug habit is gonna become a plot point; it’s always been super weird to me other than when he gave  a birthday card full of it and his response was “we’ll open that together later”
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Jul 5, 2021 09:40
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Hey what's the story with the Brodie Lee portrait that was always in the Dark Order's Keep? I feel like that's BTE lore that I missed/forgot.
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Jul 5, 2021 11:06
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Hangman needs to lose to Kenny three times in a row in back to back months, but it's okay because he's "protected" by Kenny having to cheat to win. Hangman fucks around in awful midcard comedy matches for another six months before he finally wins the Casino Battle Royale. Hangman cashes in his title shot the same night, only to lose the title clean to PAC three months later. After two more years of lovely booking including an awful heel turn, Hangman leaves for WWE.
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Jul 5, 2021 12:01
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the escape goat posted:got in the cups earlier with a friend who loves and religiously watches BTE but actively avoids the actual show because “wrestling is fake”. Lol I thought such a person could only exist in the hypothetical - tell me, do they know who Darby Allen is?
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Jul 5, 2021 12:10
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whos darby allen
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Jul 5, 2021 12:36
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MotU posted:whos darby allen It's not a who, it's a description said by a pirate. Herebe dave, darby allen.
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Jul 5, 2021 12:52
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Crapple! posted:Hangman doesn't have to win the title tomorrow. There are still 2 months until All Out to bring this story to where it needs to be. I just don't understand why he needs to get kicked around some more for people to get excited about him winning. All of the major milestones in this 2 year story that he is the protagonist of have been him losing I mean, I could see them do a story where he loses to Kenny (or another top guy in a number one contender match) but this time because he's learned to believe in himself, he DOESN'T let it get him down and goes back for it hard, winning the title. That could work. But ultimately... I trust AEW. I trust Tony and the bookers. I trust that whatever they ultimately do, it will work because more often than not it does. This would NOT be the case in WWE.
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Jul 5, 2021 12:54
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Watching this Anna Jay outside the ring and i feel myself turn to dust. Yeah, her first concert being Hannah Montanah/Miley Cyrus Best of Both Worlds adds up, i'm just old.
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Jul 5, 2021 13:01
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I could also see a story where a newly motivated Hangman loses a match by fluke and because his opponent is someone on Brian Cage's level, and then has to both rebuild his confidence and get back to #1 rank in time for the PPV (which... I just don't think you can have this arc culminate on a regular Dynamite). Elite keep trying to undermine him, Dark Order keep trying to protect him but not overprotect him. Speaking of which I thought the Page/Cage match on Double or Nothing was an FTW title match but Brian's still got the belt, was that just a brainfart of mine?
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Jul 5, 2021 13:06
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Kenny and The Bucks should encourage Hangman to challenge for the TNT title and convince him that if he wins gold he’s back in the fold.
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