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Xlorp
Jan 23, 2008


Lovely Joe Stalin posted:

Their loose plan is to try and make their way towards Epic by releasing stand alone product lines that can be brought together under an Epic banner if they are successful. Titanicus pays for the titans and much of the scenery. Aeronautica for the flyers. etc.

Or pivot to Ogre Miniatures and go hog wild. I use my Combine and Paneuros as Imperial Guard and Titans are Ogres. Got an official Ogrethulhu Mk V which is Nurgle AF.

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Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Xlorp posted:

Or pivot to Ogre Miniatures and go hog wild. I use my Combine and Paneuros as Imperial Guard and Titans are Ogres. Got an official Ogrethulhu Mk V which is Nurgle AF.

Really? Ogres as Titans? I thought they would work better as Admech or Squat units (wait, is Squats even in Epic still?)

NC Wyeth Death Cult
Dec 30, 2005

He lost his life in Chadds Ford, he was dancing with a train.

Randalor posted:

Really? Ogres as Titans? I thought they would work better as Admech or Squat units (wait, is Squats even in Epic still?)

There's a living version of an updated Squat Codex for second edition warhammer 40k and they were added back into third edition epic. Squats didn't get eaten by the Great Devourer. They went to hell to regroup.

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011

Lovely Joe Stalin posted:

Their loose plan is to try and make their way towards Epic by releasing stand alone product lines that can be brought together under an Epic banner if they are successful. Titanicus pays for the titans and much of the scenery. Aeronautica for the flyers. etc.

I want to emphasize that this is fan speculation, not a thing GW has confirmed.

Xlorp
Jan 23, 2008


Randalor posted:

Really? Ogres as Titans? I thought they would work better as Admech or Squat units (wait, is Squats even in Epic still?)

I'm playing it as blinged out Ogre Miniatures rules, or the Ogre/GEV game on those humongous hex maps. I don't got time and social contact window to manage to a GW ruleset, but I got some rad 2ndEd Chaos Legions and an Ogre Designer'sEd box. Armour units and infantry count as any race you want. Who can say what the individual, itty-bitty guys actually look like in their coordinating tankettes and spacemans armor.

The Ogre minis have two sets of aesthetics (Combine / Paneuropean) and a fair amount of armor type variety that can be fudged into anything in the GW universe. Call those any races you want based on how they look. I need a valiant / hopeless defense force against massed 2ndEd Chaos Legions. Put some real skin in the Ogreverse by giving them a GW Chaos Incursion. The Ogres become Superheavy Tanks, roughly equivalent to Daemon Engines.

GW titans become the Ogres. By the time of Designer Edition rules there's a number of roles that this model could equal that Mark # (variant) that matches what you have.

You get pretty on the table, and fast to play, easy to teach, themed around the Epic models you have.

Virtual Russian
Sep 15, 2008

Cease to Hope posted:

I want to emphasize that this is fan speculation, not a thing GW has confirmed.

Exactly, I think it is overally hopeful at best. They would have to remake the entire range, something that they couldn't manage with EA.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

Our Lovely Wang

Cease to Hope posted:

I want to emphasize that this is fan speculation, not a thing GW has confirmed.

It is something that was told to me directly in discussion with the two game designers working on Adeptus Titanicus. Which I have said before in this thread. But thanks for going out of your way to call me a liar for no reason.

Lovely Joe Stalin fucked around with this message at 06:08 on Jul 5, 2021

TheDiceMustRoll
Jul 23, 2018

Lovely Joe Stalin posted:

It is something that was told to me in discussion with the two game designers working on Adeptus Titanicus. Stop talking poo poo, please.

I'm sure you have evidence of this, yes? because if not, I have an uncle that works at nintendo id like to tell you about.

Edit: I like how you get angrier with each edit, lmao.

You started with "stop talking poo poo", then turned into "kindly gently caress off"



and now you're playing the whole "thanks for calling me a liar for no reason."


Which he didn't. He's being cautious because without an official announcement what you have to say is about as legitimate as anything anyone else says. There's an entire cottage industry of youtubers who basically just make up whatever bullshit/wishful thinking they want, call it a "rumour" from a "source" in the company, etc. It's a very annoying and quite tiresome thing! I'm not saying that is what you're doing, but your overreaction to caution over a rumour is..interesting. But since you named names, we can actually just straight up ask the people you're citing, right now:



I'll let you know what he says!




(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

TheDiceMustRoll fucked around with this message at 06:30 on Jul 5, 2021

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

Our Lovely Wang
I've been sharing information from GW events with this community for fifteen years because most people here don't get the chance to attend them. I have never been accused of making any of it up before, because that's a really loving weird thing to do about something so incredibly trivial. Let alone about something I've been saying consistently for longer than you've been registered, and was rather supported by the appearance of AI years later.

Christ.

xutech
Mar 4, 2011

EIIST

Please don't message people about things like this.

I'm in a similar situation where someone is talking to a friend of mine about things, and it's in confidence. You're not going to get receipts or evidence, and even the "people in the know" who are talking about this, well, sometimes things can change. It might have been true in April, delayed in May and cancelled in September. When you do something like this to win an argument, if you've sent a message to a person who knows about what you're referencing, you could get them in trouble, lose them their job, or cause friction and unhappiness between friends. I think it's fair when someone says "I know someone" and it is an also okay to say "I saw an internet theory video" and give a little trust that one is a little more likely than the other.

For example, I heard from someone that there was HR backlash about the heresy photo leak, and it's possible people got fired over it. I don't know if it's true, but I would feel pretty bad for someone losing their job over a similar situation.

TheDiceMustRoll
Jul 23, 2018

xutech posted:

Please don't message people about things like this.

I'm in a similar situation where someone is talking to a friend of mine about things, and it's in confidence. You're not going to get receipts or evidence, and even the "people in the know" who are talking about this, well, sometimes things can change. It might have been true in April, delayed in May and cancelled in September. When you do something like this to win an argument, if you've sent a message to a person who knows about what you're referencing, you could get them in trouble, lose them their job, or cause friction and unhappiness between friends. I think it's fair when someone says "I know someone" and it is an also okay to say "I saw an internet theory video" and give a little trust that one is a little more likely than the other.

For example, I heard from someone that there was HR backlash about the heresy photo leak, and it's possible people got fired over it. I don't know if it's true, but I would feel pretty bad for someone losing their job over a similar situation.

James doesn't work at Games Workshop and hasn't since 2017. It's not like he DMed this to me, he's been publicly stating it and getting absolutely pissed the gently caress off because one dude said "thats just fan theory and hasn't been confirmed by GW" which is true, by the way like it was a personal loving slap in the face. But this is getting into derail territory so I'll back off.

TammyHEH
Dec 11, 2013

Alfrything is only the ghost of a memory...

TheDiceMustRoll posted:

But since you named names, we can actually just straight up ask the people you're citing, right now:



I'll let you know what he says!

This is bizzare poo poo and you should not do this.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

TheDiceMustRoll posted:

James doesn't work at Games Workshop and hasn't since 2017. It's not like he DMed this to me, he's been publicly stating it and getting absolutely pissed the gently caress off because one dude said "thats just fan theory and hasn't been confirmed by GW" which is true, by the way like it was a personal loving slap in the face. But this is getting into derail territory so I'll back off.

you're a hosed up weirdo and i'm going to beat you up irl

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

potatocubed
Jul 26, 2012

*rathian noises*

TheDiceMustRoll posted:

But since you named names, we can actually just straight up ask the people you're citing, right now:

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Yeah, don't loving do this, thanks.

(Also hello Specialist Games thread, I'm a new moderator here to help out Leperflesh.)

ijyt
Apr 10, 2012

potatocubed posted:

Yeah, don't loving do this, thanks.

(Also hello Specialist Games thread, I'm a new moderator here to help out Leperflesh.)

Thank you, good job, that's a big fuckin' yikes.

Moola
Aug 16, 2006
Honestly I feel like that deserves more than a cheeky sixer

Titanicus scale yikes

potatocubed
Jul 26, 2012

*rathian noises*

Moola posted:

Honestly I feel like that deserves more than a cheeky sixer

Titanicus scale yikes

I've been a mod for a week so expect some weird quirks of judgement while I work out what I'm doing.

Major Isoor
Mar 23, 2011

potatocubed posted:

Yeah, don't loving do this, thanks.

(Also hello Specialist Games thread, I'm a new moderator here to help out Leperflesh.)

ijyt posted:

Thank you, good job, that's a big fuckin' yikes.

Yeah not to insert myself into others' arguments unnecessarily, but this was a solid moderator-debut by potatocubed...since yeah drat, that whole convo was a big :yikes: as ijyt said... I mean, far out

Moola
Aug 16, 2006

potatocubed posted:

I've been a mod for a week so expect some weird quirks of judgement while I work out what I'm doing.

no worries, I didn't mean it to read like a personal attack or anything

potatocubed
Jul 26, 2012

*rathian noises*
It's all good. I just like to establish the idea early that I'm a fallible human and not a perfect immortal machine.

Beffer
Sep 25, 2007
God Emperor mod when?

Moola
Aug 16, 2006

potatocubed posted:

It's all good. I just like to establish the idea early that I'm a fallible human and not a perfect immortal machine.

hosed up if true

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe

potatocubed posted:

It's all good. I just like to establish the idea early that I'm a fallible human and not a perfect immortal machine.

*throws sheet back over golden throne/life support system*

Major Isoor
Mar 23, 2011

Major Isoor posted:

[3-2 game against Skaven]

Well in other, non-Golden Path related news, seeing as I was posting about my second game against Wood Elves earlier, I figure I should let you know that I managed to pull a 2-1 win out of my skinks' collective rear end!

So, my plan was originally to blunder my way into getting a tie, This was supported by me managing to trip a catcher with a skink (I was defending) and then slipping through the elf ranks (courtesy of a bunch of elves being stunned) and getting a touchdown super early.
After that, I managed to waste the opponent's time for the remainder of the half. Not a lot happened; one of mine received an injury (out next game) and one of his was KO'd.

Then, the second half! I was defending again, and we all got stuck into a big fight in the middle. A couple of my skinks and a couple of his elves (with the ball) were hanging back, but otherwise there were many pushes and shoves along the line. (I knocked over some and stunned others. He did for one and two of mine, as well) Then, after he got one of his catches through my lines and behind my skinks, he tossed the ball - and my skink intercepted it on a 17% chance!
At that point I was able to form a loose skink cage on the opposite side of the pitch to his wardancer, then I punched through and created an opening of my own, in the line. I then managed to get my skink formation through, nearly at the opposing endzone. The elves then managed to disentangle a few of their players and push my skinks into a trapped blob of lizardflesh. When my turn came around, I was able to liberate a saurus and move him over to my trapped cage, providing some much-needed muscle. Right after, my skinks managed to beat the snot out of the elves - systematically pushing or downed them all out of my way - then huzzah, another touchdown! (I would've waited a turn or two if possible, but the situation was becoming far too hot)

Now, at this point there were still 2/3 of the second half left. It's hard to describe what happened (around five others were watching the stream, and had a great time watching this half of the game, I can say that at least!) but basically, the desperation cranked up to 11 for the elves - and I started majorly pushing my luck (thankfully I hadn't used a reroll all game, and I had four to use) to hinder his every move. The ball ended up going back and forth around the line, before eventually being knocked off the field and placed deep into his half. All the while, both my opponent and I were rolling stun after stun (it was...maybe not a bloodbath due to no injuries, but I dunno, a toothbath? I'm sure a LOT were sent flying) so our presence on the field was getting a bit scarce in spots.
Anyway, I managed to punch a couple of plucky skinks through the line and collected the ball - right up against the boundary! ...However, my second skink tripped over while pushing it... Then a couple of elves moved up and pushed the skink with the ball over into the crowd - and will miss a game as a result. BUT! Before he could try pegging the ball to the lone elf on my side of the pitch, I moved another heroic skink up (he was all that was available...) and pushed-over the player with the ball!...but then, seeing as he was on the edge of the field, the very next turn he was pushed into the grandstands like his friend on the ground next to him...
After that, I was able to beat down on his team a little and held up the ball. On the very last turn though, he got some super lucky rolls and managed to toss the ball across the pitch and into an elf's hands, who then pushed it into my endzone, allowing his team to retain some dignity. :D

So yeah, a VERY tense game for me! I was feeling that I'd be lucky to get 1-1 or unlucky with 1-2 or something, but thankfully I managed to secure the win. I'm going against orcs next game, so we'll see how that pans out. I'm really really hoping none of my players receive any serious injuries (the orcs killed a blitzer last game they had and crippled some others - eep!) and that my skinks can carry the team again, but I seriously doubt I can get the hat-trick.


EDIT: I think one big help this game was that I was able to keep the wardancer (I think he's called?) away from the ball, when I had it. I always had him bogged down by at least one saurus+skink combo at all times. He actually spent a lot of time gazing at the clouds in moments where it mattered thankfully, so as a result he wasn't able to leap over the skinks I had as a screen/cage around my ball-carrier.

EDIT EDIT: Oh also, at the start of the second half a spectator threw a rock at one of the elf linemen, KOing him haha - that was good for a laugh, for the rest of us! :D

Major Isoor fucked around with this message at 15:43 on Jul 5, 2021

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011

Lovely Joe Stalin posted:

It is something that was told to me directly in discussion with the two game designers working on Adeptus Titanicus. Which I have said before in this thread. But thanks for going out of your way to call me a liar for no reason.

"I had an informal discussion with an unspecified guy at an unspecified time" isn't very convincing, and isn't much of a promise even if it didn't get corrupted somewhere along the game of telephone.

The issue with Epic was always that GW hasn't been able to figure out a good way to package and sell 5mm miniatures. Not 5mm-scale miniatures, like titans and aircraft and such, but stands of 5mm tall dudes or tanks smaller than your dice. The original Epic armyboxes worked (and propped up the game until its final death), but they didn't really allow for customizing your army the way people wanted to. Until they figure out how to sell a single 5mm Land Raider or squad of Space Marines, or make a game that doesn't make people want to buy a single unit, I don't think Epic is going to happen.

TheDiceMustRoll posted:

I like how you get angrier with each edit, lmao.

If you just wanted to ask James Hewitt, you could do that. No need to get into this weirdly personal beef with LJS.

Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 14:28 on Jul 5, 2021

Crackbone
May 23, 2003

Vlaada is my co-pilot.

Cease to Hope posted:

The issue with Epic was always that GW hasn't been able to figure out a good way to package and sell 5mm miniatures. Not 5mm-scale miniatures, like titans and aircraft and such, but stands of 5mm tall dudes or tanks smaller than your dice. The original Epic armyboxes worked (and propped up the game until its final death), but they didn't really allow for customizing your army the way people wanted to. Until they figure out how to sell a single 5mm Land Raider or squad of Space Marines, or make a game that doesn't make people want to buy a single unit, I don't think Epic is going to happen.

Do we know how well/poorly Epic sold? I mean it had at least two editions so it couldn't have been that bad.
Customizing stuff is cool but there's plenty of people who don't care about customizing, given the shift to static pose kits.

I have to imagine they could get a whole army faction built into 3 or 4 sprues with their current tech.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

Cease to Hope posted:

Cease to Hope hosed around with this message at 13:28 on Jul 5, 2021

👀

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Regarde Aduck posted:

you're a hosed up weirdo and i'm going to beat you up irl

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

As threats of violence go, this is pretty milquetoast and likely a joke, but it's still not allowed and we're going to enforce that rule here in trad games. If either of the TG mods see you doing it again here the next probation will be much harsher.

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011

I added the part about selling and packaging 5mm miniatures.

Crackbone posted:

Do we know how well/poorly Epic sold? I mean it had at least two editions so it couldn't have been that bad.
Customizing stuff is cool but there's plenty of people who don't care about customizing, given the shift to static pose kits.

I have to imagine they could get a whole army faction built into 3 or 4 sprues with their current tech.

They got the whole army onto 3-4 sprues even at the time! The first and second editions had the "army in a box" packages for every army, like so:





These had a whole army you could just assemble and play. In fact, those editions didn't have you buy most units a la carte like most modern GW games! Instead you bought a "Chaos Horde" detachment, which included all of the units in that box.

Epic 40K (the third edition) tried to shift to selling mostly pewter models in blister packs of 2-4 models, with troops in plastic and sold in boxes sets of 15-20 stands. However, the game itself had you buy units for your army list individually, like normal 40K. This made it very frustrating to buy (eg) many of a particular Eldar Aspect Warrior stand (since they came one stand per box of 22 stands), and buying many tanks (Land Raiders and Fire Prisms were sold in blisters, and very OP until later nerfs) was expensive and fiddly. In practice, the biggest enthusiasts of these games were people who were playing orks or space marines using many copies of the base boxed set, or people who owned the (now discontinued) army in a box armies. I don't think this game was very successful: it was relegated to mail order fairly quickly, and they did not even finish releasing all of the units for the army lists.

Epic Armageddon was, IIRC, a mail-order-only game. That does not say successful to me, but I know less about it.

It wasn't about customizing the models; that's going to be limited at 5mm for obvious reasons! It was about customizing your army list, to take more guardians of less aspect warriors, or choose between wave serpents and falcons, etc.

Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 05:25 on Jul 6, 2021

Captain Rufus
Sep 16, 2005

CAPTAIN WORD SALAD

OFF MY MEDS AGAIN PLEASE DON'T USE BIG WORDS

UNNECESSARY LINE BREAK
I think yall are getting a bit too worked up over a dude messaging someone over trying to win a forums war against the most consistently bad GW poster on SA (Joe). But it is pretty bad form to do said messaging. However in the history of bad nerd things done its rather low no matter how lame Joe usually is.

(We were talking this in Moolas secret discord thats mostly just Archie linking Possum pictures and Chill & Vkeios talking about V tubers. They try to get me to care but I shall not. But goddamn can nerds be stupid and weird to the creatives and reps of their chosen nerd thing. Also sports fans. Let's not do that. It makes us all look like ding dongs.)

Anyhow before the thread and poster got bothering a GW person questions about Epic flyer size came up. Here is a scale image of the Chaos fighter for reference.



Yes that 20 dollar pre assembled set of mechs is 20 bucks and in the same 285th scale. Just like Ogre/Gev minis. I have an Ork from Underworlds, one of those chibi 40k figures, and Claire Redfield from the RE2 boardgame in image for scale. I suppose the 7 dollar Gundam Converge and the JP Camp Cretaceous toys are good refs too.

"Funny" Epic story about fighters before I go. In 3rd (the really crappy Epic that killed it) was playing a game against Eldar and an IG. IG guy proudly said he never uses unpainted minis. Chaos didn't have all the indirect fire they did. I asked if anyone would mind if I used a couple Micro Machine spaceships to proxy as bombers. IG guy immediately swaps in unpainted unprimed fighters to hard counter my bombers.

That same guy in Necromunda had an all Bolter Van Saar gang who just happened to have every single ammo roll passing item, skill, and gang holding to avoid ever failing ammo rolls. Funny how that worked.

One of these days I ought to take collection pics of all my Epic stuff. Cuz I've got buttloads.

TammyHEH
Dec 11, 2013

Alfrything is only the ghost of a memory...

Captain Rufus posted:

Some of the worst garbage imaginable

Rufus you've never been in the military before please change your something awful alias.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



I wouldn't mind them making tiny troops again so I can use them to decorate bases and scenery.

Ohthehugemanatee
Oct 18, 2005

Cease to Hope posted:

They got the whole army onto 3-4 spires even at the time! The first and second editions had the "army in a box" packages for every army, like so:





These had a whole army you could just assemble and play. In fact, those editions didn't have you buy most units a la carte like most modern GW games! Instead you bought a "Chaos Horde" detachment, which included all of the units in that box.


I'm pretty sure GW ditched those army boxes because they were so perfect people didn't need to constantly buy stuff. They were amazing.

Virtual Russian
Sep 15, 2008

Cease to Hope posted:



Epic Armageddon was, IIRC, a mail-order-only game. That does not say successful to me, but I know less about it.


Huh, my FLGS stocked E:A in the early 00s, I picked up the game on a whime just looking at the boxes/blisters. We had a solid community. Did GW not have it in store?

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011

Virtual Russian posted:

Huh, my FLGS stocked E:A in the early 00s, I picked up the game on a whime just looking at the boxes/blisters. We had a solid community. Did GW not have it in store?

It's perfectly possible I do not recall correctly! E:A came after I was less interested in Epic. I was under the impression that Epic Armageddon (brown and orange packaging) was only sold mail-order. If it was the brown-and-orange packaging of fourth edition and not the black-blue-silver of Epic 40K, then I might just be incorrect.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Near the end of the SG cycle, they moved ALL new SG releases to mail order only.

This was stupid, and unless you knew about it you never found out that there were ash waste nomads in Necro, late gangs for Mordheim, Skaven, Brettonians, and Dark Elves in Warmaster, or anything that was going on with Epic. Or BFG.

It was criminally mismanaged, and contributed to the myth that SG didn't sell well for some intrinsic reason.

Captain Rufus
Sep 16, 2005

CAPTAIN WORD SALAD

OFF MY MEDS AGAIN PLEASE DON'T USE BIG WORDS

UNNECESSARY LINE BREAK
Its a sad fact that if stuff isn't "supported" most people stop caring. These days you don't have organized play, in store presence, and probably people streaming your game? Its highly likely to be effectively dead. And if the local community are power gamers or play at super weird times? Also dead. Few companies have enough game recognition or enough established consumers to survive even one bad bit. Stuff like DnD 4th or Age of Sigmar would have sunk most game companies. Even stuff that was getting big like Warmahordes and X Wing took huge hits by their edition and policy changes.

It sucks but its just how it is. I've had people tell me a game had to be bad because nobody had ever heard of it thus it sucked. No it does not make sense. You gotta be big, in print, and popular or you are in trouble.

Anyhow now that I'm extra depressed let's show all my barely even assembled because why even bother Epic stuff.


We start with my Orks. Mostly not even assembled or primed yet. Sadly for the Ladz I only have a Mekboy Gargant for such units and a cardstock Great. Yes 2 Megas but as anyone who has played or seen Titan Legions knows, the Megas and Imperator machines are practically a sub game bolted on top. While I love this Epic ruleset I do not like that sort of thing. Its just too much and probably why the next edition went in the opposite direction and basically killed Epic.


3rd ed Epic terrain and most but far from all of the counters and templates my forces need for 2nd ed. I think Fantasy Flight Games learned their cardboard addiction from mid 90s GW.


Rules and army boxes plus supplemental rules from White Dwarf. This probably also hurt Epic. You had to buy mostly double faction rule boxes for your army. Hope you want to spend extra money for a faction you don't want. And then get issues of WD for essential later units that never got put in a second Space Marine Battles compilation. A ton of Chaos units were only in WD.


Three Warlord class titans. A Warmaster Bloodthirster i got free somehow that can mostly proxy into Epic. Gobs of Marine stuff mostly unbuilt to fill up my Chaos ranks.



Most of my Chaos stuff including a few IG bases for cultists. (I have a few more stands of IG not shown plus the Eldar from Space Marine box. Not worth showing.) Eagle eyed nerds will spot three out of four of the Primarchs. I ordered the other one from a store that never sent it to me and the wrong army book for Whfb and never responded to any emails. Chaosorc.com can kiss my rear end for that wherever they may be now. The army book was a gift for someone!


The Space Marine and Titan Legions cardstock terrain plus those hated 3rd ed Epic rules. I will give it credit for putting almost everything made for 2nd into the books there (I guess removing Squats left room for all the other factions. Bastards.) plus making Imperator class stuff not an entire subgame. But thats about it.


And the Tyranids which some dude just gave me all of. I had to assemble and collate them but its still rad as hell.


The only time the Nids saw action. And my friend quit on turn 1. Because he wasn't listening to instructions about Synapse range and his first move was to send Hormagaunts out of Synapse. When I asked why he quit. He is a lovely person but he is very much First Impression is it and if he makes a big ish mistake which is quite often he is DONE. (He also hates Soulsbornes because they show numerical damage values. And in a mass game of Wings of War? He was halfway across the table doing air donuts when the rest of us were in some giant murderball orgy cluster. I wish he would pay more attention, ask questions, and instead of giving up on many games the first mistake he makes ask for a do over or something. I'm not out to own anyone. I'll absolutely allow do overs. I want to have fun games not own people or make them feel bad. He should know that but he does not.)

https://wargamedork.blogspot.com/2010/06/epic-system-battle-report-1.html this here was a more successful but sadly last time I got to play Epic at all. Made much smaller forces that were semi similar to make teaching easier.

Dammit do I have to convert more Epic over to Ogre/GEV or Battletech? I want to use and have reasons to build and fully paint all my dudes!

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

We got crabs? We got crabs!

Captain Rufus posted:

Its a sad fact that if stuff isn't "supported" most people stop caring. These days you don't have organized play, in store presence, and probably people streaming your game? Its highly likely to be effectively dead. And if the local community are power gamers or play at super weird times? Also dead. Few companies have enough game recognition or enough established consumers to survive even one bad bit. Stuff like DnD 4th or Age of Sigmar would have sunk most game companies. Even stuff that was getting big like Warmahordes and X Wing took huge hits by their edition and policy changes.

It sucks but its just how it is. I've had people tell me a game had to be bad because nobody had ever heard of it thus it sucked. No it does not make sense. You gotta be big, in print, and popular or you are in trouble.


Honestly, this is one of the things that I like about historical games. There is far less of this view that a game is either a blockbuster success 24/7, or it's "dead". But that probably has a lot to do with the games and the miniatures being independent from each other. You'll more likely run into issues using your Dropzone Commander minis for a game of Epic than say, switching from using Black Powder to Lasalle with your napoleonic minis. The expecations is also lower in a way, people kind of assume that a rule system will be popular in a bunch of local gaming groups but not rule the entire niche, and judge it based on that. In fantasy and sci-fi skirmish games for example, I feel so much energy is wasted on bickering wether Malifaux is dead, or if Warmahordes is dead, or if Bushido is dead, and so on. But then of course, if your game relies on a unique range of minis only sold by one company, the game is so much more vulnerable for that kind of threat.

Awesome collection either way! I'm very jealous as I didn't get to play much Epic, me and some friends bought the starter set for E:A back in the 90's but never really got it going.

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NC Wyeth Death Cult
Dec 30, 2005

He lost his life in Chadds Ford, he was dancing with a train.

Captain Rufus posted:

The only time the Nids saw action. And my friend quit on turn 1.

This is a huge shame because in any of the rules, Chaos vs Tyranids turns into a slugfest that is over by the end of turn 2. They are fun as hell because the bodies pile up and you have cool things in 3rd ed like a Bloodthirster dying to a Lictor after the group of five assault it or later watching the group, minus the one, assault and pulping a Tyranid titan. My understanding of second ed Space Marine Tyranid rules is that they were really unbalanced, too, so your friend missed out on a fun game.

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berzerkmonkey
Jul 23, 2003

Captain Rufus posted:

Dammit do I have to convert more Epic over to Ogre/GEV or Battletech? I want to use and have reasons to build and fully paint all my dudes!

I don't know where you are, but Epic is pretty popular in a lot of places. The big issue is that it can be in concentrated in isolated pockets. We're in the US Northeast, and regularly get a dozen people showing up for gaming. Yearly tournaments tend to get 20 - 26 people. Check out Tactical Command and see if there is a group in your area - odds are there is at least one other person who is in the same situation as you are - it's amazing how many people show up at the store while we're playing and are like "Epic!? I have a ton of that in a box in my closet - I didn't think anyone still played!"

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