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remusclaw posted:i feel like TSR has never been a name worth using after its death and it was probably a liability for at least the later period of their existence, or would have been if they had even the slightest interest in rehabbing themselves. WOTC certainly had it right when they bought em up to just get rid of it, as TSR had at that point made it a habit of pissing off any fans who had the slightest bit of an internet presence with shutting down all fan stuff. Thats just the last 10 years of existence, before that they made it their habit to kill competition and even business partners who gave them an in. Ernie Gygax.
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Splicer posted:You will be hearing from my lawyer Gentlegoons, gentlegoons, may I instead propose a partnership taking advantage of possible brand synergy in the area of fangirls? It's a highly lucrative untapped demographic!
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remusclaw posted:i feel like TSR has never been a name worth using after its death and it was probably a liability for at least the later period of their existence, or would have been if they had even the slightest interest in rehabbing themselves. WOTC certainly had it right when they bought em up to just get rid of it, as TSR had at that point made it a habit of pissing off any fans who had the slightest bit of an internet presence with shutting down all fan stuff. Thats just the last 10 years of existence, before that they made it their habit to kill competition and even business partners who gave them an in. The thing is, none of that history really matters to the culture warriors that the new new TSR is signaling to with all the subtlety of a tornado siren. I would even go so far as to venture that a lot of them weren't even around for those days to begin with. They see "old brand revival" and they're already primed to buy into "old days = better" together with "anti woke" and it doesn't even matter that this TSR has no products ready to buy, that all the kickstarters Ernie Gygax is associated with have featured massive delays and difficulties, or what the original TSR's reputation was, it's just another opportunity for them to shout "DON'T BEND THE KNEE" at.
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remusclaw posted:i feel like TSR has never been a name worth using after its death and it was probably a liability for at least the later period of their existence, or would have been if they had even the slightest interest in rehabbing themselves. WOTC certainly had it right when they bought em up to just get rid of it, as TSR had at that point made it a habit of pissing off any fans who had the slightest bit of an internet presence with shutting down all fan stuff. Thats just the last 10 years of existence, before that they made it their habit to kill competition and even business partners who gave them an in. Attempting to revive TSR is essentially the most grognard move humanly possible, relying on a wholly-imagined better past that people with actual knowledge of events and things could shoot down in a paragraph.
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Sodomy Hussein posted:Attempting to revive TSR is essentially the most grognard move humanly possible, relying on a wholly-imagined better past that people with actual knowledge of events and things could shoot down in a paragraph. The Age of Chivalry was always in the past for those writing about it. TSR was insane. Who in their right mind would try to develop 10 different worlds, most of them simultaneously! Have 10 worldbooks on nearly every nation of Mystera? Have both D&D and AD&D running at the same time? These make no business sense and it's amazing they managed to do it for so long. The insanity ran both ways, but now everyone is just fond of the good memories. I just hope Hasbro is ok with getting the new Players Guide to Mystera be published.
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Comstar posted:The Age of Chivalry was always in the past for those writing about it. Oh, the Gazeteers barely covered a fraction of the nations in Mystara...  As you can see, The "Known World" segment didn't even account of 1/10th of the planet's total surface area! Not included here are the various one-off nations featured in the Voyages of the Princess Ark articles (Which I believe were mostly focused on the Southern continent), locations covered in the Dawn of the Emperor's boxed set, some minor locations that were detailed in adventure modules and the entire interior surface of the planet outlined in the Hollow World supplement. And even with all those it barely covered a third of the map... ...God, I've been thinking about doing a write-up on all the Mystara Gazeteers and supplements for a while now, I should get on that sometime. One thing I will give them: The Gazeteer series was a bit less of a bad business decision than most of the other setting-specific modules and products of the time, as the gazeteers actually provided a bunch of additional mechanics that further expanded the rules of the Basic version of the game beyond even what was available in the BECMI series. It was still a dumb decision to spread this crunch out over 10 32 page booklets, but these at least included actual crunch.
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Sodomy Hussein posted:Attempting to revive TSR is essentially the most grognard move humanly possible, relying on a wholly-imagined better past that people with actual knowledge of events and things could shoot down in a paragraph. you dont need "actual knowledge of events and things" to know that TSR wasn't great, either rendition. Just having been alive at the should be enough. I wonder if Games Workshop went under tomorrow twenty years from now some creep using the name would have all the grogs going "man, Games Workshop man...that was the good old days...the constant fomo, the overpriced models, the unbearable community....I wanna go back..."
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:you dont need "actual knowledge of events and things" to know that TSR wasn't great, either rendition. Just having been alive at the should be enough. I wonder if Games Workshop went under tomorrow twenty years from now some creep using the name would have all the grogs going "man, Games Workshop man...that was the good old days...the constant fomo, the overpriced models, the unbearable community....I wanna go back..."
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I mean if GW went under like WotC/Hasbro would buy them and the ip in a moment
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I would super love to play Warhammer, but that requires getting to know enough Warhammer players to find 3-5 who aren't garbage people, and that's a bigger time sink than painting an army.
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Volkova III posted:I would super love to play Warhammer, but that requires getting to know enough Warhammer players to find 3-5 who aren't garbage people, and that's a bigger time sink than painting an army. i found a lot of great players on facebook after one week
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Splicer posted:You will be hearing from my lawyer Terribly Silly Rules They Sue Regularly Tough poo poo, Readers Total Staff Resignation
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Midjack posted:Total Staff Resignation 
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Midjack posted:Terribly Silly Rules Table by Jim Simons, originally from Space Gamer #74. 
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Alien Rope Burn posted:Table by Jim Simons, originally from Space Gamer #74. Thank you, I was trying to remember where I'd seen those before. 
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As somebody who just decided to run Soulbound for my group on a whim because I needed a quick break from an emotionally deep campaign arc, and whose only exposure to Warhams before was six hours of one of the 40k videogames... Warhams is a thing. I've read almost 200 pages of F&F in the last few days and I feel a little broken.
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There's a bunch of lovely and good non-creepy warhammer players right here in TG, and back when I played, I didn't have too much trouble finding games with fellow goons in my area (admittedly I live in a high population area).
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CitizenKeen posted:As somebody who just decided to run Soulbound for my group on a whim because I needed a quick break from an emotionally deep campaign arc, and whose only exposure to Warhams before was six hours of one of the 40k videogames... Did you have fun at least?
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A miserable little pile of heresy
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Absurd Alhazred posted:What's a warhams? It's what you take to Thanksgiving when you've got a racist uncle that you're finally ready to confront.
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Found this on an EN World thread: I'm convinced that the TSR Games people have been locked in a sealed vault where they've never been exposed to the past 40 years of game design and social progress, and only just now have been released into the wild.
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I'm convinced James Ward suffered some kind of serious head trauma, because Metamorphosis Alpha already exists and he wrote it.
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These geniuses are going to invent pregen characters and bluebooking next.
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CitizenKeen posted:As somebody who just decided to run Soulbound for my group on a whim because I needed a quick break from an emotionally deep campaign arc, and whose only exposure to Warhams before was six hours of one of the 40k videogames...
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impressive how nobody in the history of ever before these guys had thought of a fantasy post apocalypse *listens to earpiece* ah, nevertheless...
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That Old Tree posted:These geniuses are going to invent pregen characters and bluebooking next. Didn't this already happen with Monte Cook writing a blog post that was just bluebooking like 20 years after the fact
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"Mindblowing Innovations that have actually been around since the early 1980s" is literally the the free center square on the Fantasy Heartbreaker Bingo Card.
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Jim Ward's "I invented passive perception" moment
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The Forgotten Realms aren't technically post apocalyptic because they keep using synonyms for "apocalypse."
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Hell, Middle-Earth is a post-apocalyptic setting when you look at the Appendix material. The North Kingdom, after civil war and the successor kingdoms being destroyed by Angmar, was depopulated by a plague centuries before the time of the books. Eriador is continually described as empty and ruined. Gondor is in decline, and that's even after the greatest nation of Men was destroyed by the gods themselves breaking the world for a second time after they did it to defeat not-Satan. Apocalypses all over the drat place.
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thinking about it, you kinda have to have an apocalypse if you want to have a setting with both an established civilization, but also is old enough to have things to "reclaim" and "explore" even if you have to stretch the definition of the apocalypse to encompass things like the decline of the Roman Empire's effects on the imperial periphery
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gradenko_2000 posted:Didn't this already happen with Monte Cook writing a blog post that was just bluebooking like 20 years after the fact Can someone tell me what bluebooking is? I'm sure I know it, just not connected to that name.
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Hel posted:Can someone tell me what bluebooking is? I'm sure I know it, just not connected to that name. It's when you run a "session" between the GM and a subset of the whole playing group, usually just one other character, and session here is in quotes because bluebooking usually also implies that this exchange between the GM and the player is written, instead of acted-out This can be more comfortable for the player depending on the subject matter if they don't have to act it out, or it can be used to express an internal monologue that the player's character is having, or it can be used to privately discuss plans between the GM and the player that the rest of the group wouldn't be privy to
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Hel posted:Can someone tell me what bluebooking is? I'm sure I know it, just not connected to that name. Private interactions between players and/or the DM conducted by writing notes back and forth. So called because lots of D&D games were and are played by college students, and the cheap disposable notebooks used to write exam essays were available in large numbers. The cover of one prominent brand was blue, hence "blue-booking".
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Hel posted:Can someone tell me what bluebooking is? I'm sure I know it, just not connected to that name. It's where players email the GM between sessions and go 'I'd like my character to do x, y, and z before the next session' and the GM says 'yes, no, and yes' and the player writes it down in -- presumably -- a blue book.
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Oh, absolutely IM, email, chat, and now I guess Discord have supplanted actual written notes. But the name has stuck in certain portions of the hobby.
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Ok ,so it's just one of the basic tools that's popped up pretty much every time I've played.
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Libertad! posted:Found this on an EN World thread: I particularly love it when designers say "This game doesn't use magic, it uses (synonym for magic)."
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gradenko_2000 posted:Didn't this already happen with Monte Cook writing a blog post that was just bluebooking like 20 years after the fact thats invisible sun, along with him 'inventing' dealing with absentee players by saying 'um. he was somewhere else this week'.
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