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Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

"healthcare plz" is a good rallying cry because it really cuts through all the bullshit theater that the Democrat Party likes to toss around.

It is a retort, nothing else.

When people say, "oh the Democrats are trying so hard to X" the clear statement that they aren't even addressing X in the first place blows right through whatever garbage they are tossing out. And, no, it won't work on people who don't actually give a poo poo about X. Nothing will. But some kid who keeps getting targeted to VOTE ain't gonna buy that load of horseshit forever, and at one point he's gonna wonder "why, why does X never seem to be the goal?" and that's when you can talk to them about it in depth. Climate change will never be stopped as long as the oil companies control both parties. Healthcare will never be affordable because the healthcare companies write all the laws. Your vote will never matter because you're broke as poo poo and will never be able to afford a lobbyist.

But until then, you gotta keep their eye on the material prize and "healthcare plz" will keep them primed for whoever has a real offer.

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Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

Two birds with one stone: enforce a Juan child policy

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

https://mobile.twitter.com/seansrussiablog/status/935716151698640897/photo/1

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

For those who dont want to click thru


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Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


gradenko_2000 posted:

"Socialism is an economic system. Democracy is a political system" is flat out wrong. Socialism is the democratization of the economy.

Like, I get it when nichael says you don't need to be discussing theory when you're knocking on doors and talking to voters, but "we just want healthcare" is also an oversimplification because it fails to grasp why healthcare keeps getting denied by the intersection of the people holding the levers of economic power translating that directly into control of the political realm.

sure but that guy is a dork and dorks are annoying

Rectal Death Adept
Jun 20, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
I am receiving word that all of the bad economic things related to the pandemic, like inflation and price increases, are not a fault of Joe Biden. They are just a natural occurrence during this kind of disaster. You are a nazi that can not understand basic economics if you are blaming Joe Biden for the increases in gasoline, inflation or commodities.

However, all of the jobs created when the lockdowns end Joe Biden can take 100% credit for. He is completely responsible for those numbers because they sound good.

Also the prices dropping when the pandemic started are not because of Trump since they were a good thing. All of the job loses were 100% because of Trump because they were a bad thing.

I hope you maga chuds can try to understand basic economics from now on.

ram dass in hell
Dec 29, 2019



:420::toot::420:
"When the lockdowns end" hmbol

Relin
Oct 6, 2002

You have been a most worthy adversary, but in every game, there are winners and there are losers. And as you know, in this game, losers get robotizicized!
https://washingtonmonthly.com/2021/07/05/conservatives-have-no-plan-to-win-the-culture-war-but-they-intend-to-rule-anyway/

liberals: drat if only we could crack the secret of "actually running for offices at the city/state level" and "supporting legislation people like" and "using the power of the office when obtained"

oh well back to making movies and scolding people on twitter

Rectal Death Adept
Jun 20, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
Pandemic started and Trump personally caused the worst job losses in history.
Pandemic is over, America is Back Together, and Joe Biden is responsible for the best job creation in history.

Pandemic started and I assume some prices, somewhere, on things like Gasoline dropped but also not because of Trump.
Pandemic is over and now Joe Biden is just overseeing a healthy economic recovery from the dropped prices as prices naturally rise on everything.

Basic Economics People.

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


Relin posted:

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2021/07/05/conservatives-have-no-plan-to-win-the-culture-war-but-they-intend-to-rule-anyway/

liberals: drat if only we could crack the secret of "actually running for offices at the city/state level" and "supporting legislation people like" and "using the power of the office when obtained"

oh well back to making movies and scolding people on twitter

i'm not reading this article but is it as stupid as the title implies?

quote:

Conservatives would have to make changes to win the hearts and minds of the young. They have no intention of doing that. They intend to kill democracy, instead

has joe biden won the hearts and minds of the young???

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

what exactly do they think young people want

do they think theyre actually winning on the crt messaging war

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

Some Guy TT posted:

do they think theyre actually winning on the crt messaging war

what really matters is the cbt messaging war. conservatives seem to have an unbeatable lead there

Rectal Death Adept
Jun 20, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
People want whatever the Democrats will give them.

If they don't then they ain't people, Jack.

Jabronie
Jun 4, 2011

In an investigation, details matter.
so loving cool biden's only response to the heatwaves is "heh, told you climate change is real :smuggo: "

meanwhile we're struggling to pass a bill to repair some more roads :shepicide:

Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


Jabronie posted:

so loving cool biden's only response to the heatwaves is "heh, told you climate change is real :smuggo: "

meanwhile we're struggling to pass a bill to repair some more roads :shepicide:

He believes science


and chooses to do nothing about it

Catpetter1981
Apr 9, 2020

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Two points:

1) Let's imagine for a moment this were not known shithead rapist Bill Cosby: do you think they could receive a fair trial given the circumstances? I doubt that's possible, given the situation, and it's always going to be an open question for a future appeal.

2) Is it wrong that the "punishment" for the violation of a defendant's rights is that the conviction is thrown out?

This is sort of getting out of the subject matter of the thread and into criminal justice reform, but let's imagine for a second that we're not talking about the rapist Bill Cosby, and instead talking about some random guy convicted of... murder. Let's say he did it, and we know he did it. If his rights were violated in the process of the investigation and trial leading to his conviction, should he still be imprisoned? You could absolutely argue that, yes, as someone who factually speaking murdered another person, he must face the consequences. What, then, is the purpose of those rights?

That's how I can be both perfectly loving angry at the specific outcome that Bill Cosby is free, and not angry with the decision of the court that the prosecution acted improperly.

The system has failed. A rapist is free. That's not good, and we should be angry about that. But that doesn't mean this decision was incorrect. In my opinion, it means the prosecution hosed up unforgivably, in a way that allowed a rapist to go free.

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

Catpetter1981 posted:

Two points:

1) Let's imagine for a moment this were not known shithead rapist Bill Cosby: do you think they could receive a fair trial given the circumstances? I doubt that's possible, given the situation, and it's always going to be an open question for a future appeal.

2) Is it wrong that the "punishment" for the violation of a defendant's rights is that the conviction is thrown out?

This is sort of getting out of the subject matter of the thread and into criminal justice reform, but let's imagine for a second that we're not talking about the rapist Bill Cosby, and instead talking about some random guy convicted of... murder. Let's say he did it, and we know he did it. If his rights were violated in the process of the investigation and trial leading to his conviction, should he still be imprisoned? You could absolutely argue that, yes, as someone who factually speaking murdered another person, he must face the consequences. What, then, is the purpose of those rights?

That's how I can be both perfectly loving angry at the specific outcome that Bill Cosby is free, and not angry with the decision of the court that the prosecution acted improperly.

The system has failed. A rapist is free. That's not good, and we should be angry about that. But that doesn't mean this decision was incorrect. In my opinion, it means the prosecution hosed up unforgivably, in a way that allowed a rapist to go free.

Presumably the solution is to actually protect defendants who aren't cosby rich rather than throwing out the rules protecting the rights of defendants

FormaldehydeSon
Oct 1, 2011

Catpetter1981 posted:

Two points:

1) Let's imagine for a moment this were not known shithead rapist Bill Cosby: do you think they could receive a fair trial given the circumstances? I doubt that's possible, given the situation, and it's always going to be an open question for a future appeal.

2) Is it wrong that the "punishment" for the violation of a defendant's rights is that the conviction is thrown out?

This is sort of getting out of the subject matter of the thread and into criminal justice reform, but let's imagine for a second that we're not talking about the rapist Bill Cosby, and instead talking about some random guy convicted of... murder. Let's say he did it, and we know he did it. If his rights were violated in the process of the investigation and trial leading to his conviction, should he still be imprisoned? You could absolutely argue that, yes, as someone who factually speaking murdered another person, he must face the consequences. What, then, is the purpose of those rights?

That's how I can be both perfectly loving angry at the specific outcome that Bill Cosby is free, and not angry with the decision of the court that the prosecution acted improperly.

The system has failed. A rapist is free. That's not good, and we should be angry about that. But that doesn't mean this decision was incorrect. In my opinion, it means the prosecution hosed up unforgivably, in a way that allowed a rapist to go free.

0% chance of a promise like that holding up for anyone other than a rich rear end in a top hat

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://twitter.com/michaelmalice/status/1412167487404199939

Armadillo Tank
Mar 26, 2010

misadventurous posted:

yeah the weird thing thats going on is joe biden is a disgusting horrible old man

I'm saying from the granddaughters hypersexualization and hosed up reflex behaviors and other pathologies he did or was complicit in her sexual abuse.

Meat Miracle
Oct 24, 2010

Single and LOVING IT posted:

That or the 'ethereal bisexual' will come forward with accusations of stalking and harassment.

just lol if you don't assume that the phrase "ethereal bisexual" is bamas sly wordplay for using an extrajudicial assassination to turn her into a loving ghost

Evrart Claire
Jan 11, 2008
Obama has absolutely tracked down those women to brag to them that they could have hosed a future president.

Shima Honnou
Dec 1, 2010

The Once And Future King Of Dicetroit

College Slice

Armadillo Tank posted:

I'm saying from the granddaughters hypersexualization and hosed up reflex behaviors and other pathologies he did or was complicit in her sexual abuse.

he's probably been doing hosed up cult leader incest poo poo since his kids were born, they all seem super messed up

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhTeMInFm1s

So is Biden gonna cave and let us continue the forever war in Afghanistan?

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

spacetoaster posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhTeMInFm1s

So is Biden gonna cave and let us continue the forever war in Afghanistan?

spacemang_spliff posted:

lol we're not leaving afghanistan

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
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If we keep using weasel words like "concern" nobody would figure out our consent manufacturing machine right

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
I think there's some unpacking that needs to be done.

First I already post in the space thread so I think it is unnecessarily patronizing and assuming the conclusion to suggest I should go to some other thread to be "told" that it's a fantasy project; that's just unnecessarily antagonistic way of approaching it. I am aware of the various and potential problems and pitfalls, I was there, in those threads, in some of those discussions. I am not convinced it is impossible, but if you want to move the discussion there you can do so and we can continue it there.

Second, that there is a through line here in how the discussion started and developed; I had mentioned/asked off hand, would ice asteroid mining help solve China's water problems, if the problems of transporting those materials to China can be solved. In response to someone else's post I mentioned off hand a space elevator might be one answer, or a skyhook, and so on. As I had already mentioned a skyhook isn't science fiction. There's a weird sort of tunnel vision where a number of people decided to hyperfocus on that one minor off hand thing instead of the broader point of discussion. I responded to posts that were incorrect or levied fallacious arguments like comparing constructing a space elevator to construction a 70,000 mile long bridge because they're egregious; and while discussing a space elevator may not be super thread relevant I at least made the attempt to keep it relevant to discussing China each time I could.

Third, I'm not going to address the specific details of your post because I don't particularly wish to keep the discussion about space elevators in the China thread but the point of those links is to show that there is a real world interest and that there is arguably a legitimate basis to discuss certain kinds of "scifi" projects as it pertains to China in the same vein as China's nuclear fusion experiments. If Elon Musk tomorrow said he wanted to partner with China's space agency to build a space elevator I think that would be newsworthy and worth posting about in the thread just as much as Elon Musk saying anything else would have been by default, considered to be newsworthy for USPol. It was specifically in response to the argument "no one is interested in it, so there's no point in discussing it".

By the USPol standard newsworthyness tends to be always acceptable to post about stuff and then only split off to its own thread if it overwhelms all other discussion and in this case well; I'm not sure what other discussion was there. Everyone either agrees genocide is wrong and China is doing it or they don't and having to read repeated posts denying ongoing genocide gets difficult you know.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
Raenir has spent the past three days getting angry people don't think china is going to make a space elevator to steal minerals from the moon or whatever and boy is that not just a perfect snapshot of D&D

Shima Honnou
Dec 1, 2010

The Once And Future King Of Dicetroit

College Slice
why would biden leave afghanistan he dedicated half his whole life to seeing this war happen

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

sexpig by night posted:

I think there's some unpacking that needs to be done.

First I already post in the space thread so I think it is unnecessarily patronizing and assuming the conclusion to suggest I should go to some other thread to be "told" that it's a fantasy project; that's just unnecessarily antagonistic way of approaching it. I am aware of the various and potential problems and pitfalls, I was there, in those threads, in some of those discussions. I am not convinced it is impossible, but if you want to move the discussion there you can do so and we can continue it there.

Second, that there is a through line here in how the discussion started and developed; I had mentioned/asked off hand, would ice asteroid mining help solve China's water problems, if the problems of transporting those materials to China can be solved. In response to someone else's post I mentioned off hand a space elevator might be one answer, or a skyhook, and so on. As I had already mentioned a skyhook isn't science fiction. There's a weird sort of tunnel vision where a number of people decided to hyperfocus on that one minor off hand thing instead of the broader point of discussion. I responded to posts that were incorrect or levied fallacious arguments like comparing constructing a space elevator to construction a 70,000 mile long bridge because they're egregious; and while discussing a space elevator may not be super thread relevant I at least made the attempt to keep it relevant to discussing China each time I could.

Third, I'm not going to address the specific details of your post because I don't particularly wish to keep the discussion about space elevators in the China thread but the point of those links is to show that there is a real world interest and that there is arguably a legitimate basis to discuss certain kinds of "scifi" projects as it pertains to China in the same vein as China's nuclear fusion experiments. If Elon Musk tomorrow said he wanted to partner with China's space agency to build a space elevator I think that would be newsworthy and worth posting about in the thread just as much as Elon Musk saying anything else would have been by default, considered to be newsworthy for USPol. It was specifically in response to the argument "no one is interested in it, so there's no point in discussing it".

By the USPol standard newsworthyness tends to be always acceptable to post about stuff and then only split off to its own thread if it overwhelms all other discussion and in this case well; I'm not sure what other discussion was there. Everyone either agrees genocide is wrong and China is doing it or they don't and having to read repeated posts denying ongoing genocide gets difficult you know.

sir sir don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about I posted in a thread about it on a dead gay comedy forum

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
hmmm China could find more water on earth or build a stupid fantasy space elevator to mine asteroids for it. I wonder which one will happen because I am a moron

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Weird, I went looking for the SYQ source and the USPol thread is on a 4 page derail about what chocolates a poster could buy when they lived in the UK in the 70's and no one has come in to hangrily put their foot down and decree that this discussion belongs in its own thread

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

Lib and let die posted:

Weird, I went looking for the SYQ source and the USPol thread is on a 4 page derail about what chocolates a poster could buy when they lived in the UK in the 70's and no one has come in to hangrily put their foot down and decree that this discussion belongs in its own thread

we regret to inform you that the chocolate company was linked to Epstein in the 90's

*discussion is immediatly shunted off*

Organ Fiend
May 21, 2007

custom title

sexpig by night posted:

I think there's some unpacking that needs to be done.
....

Is there anyone who says this or some variant of it ("yikes, there's alot to unpack here") that isn't a complete dipshit?

Also, lmfao at anyone who thinks space elevators will ever be a thing, let alone physically possible. A double lol if the person invokes Elon loving Musk in the same breath without a hint of irony.

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

Organ Fiend posted:

Is there anyone who says this or some variant of it ("yikes, there's alot to unpack here") that isn't a complete dipshit?

Also, lmfao at anyone who thinks space elevators will ever be a thing, let alone physically possible. A double lol if the person invokes Elon loving Musk in the same breath without a hint of irony.

triple lol when its the same clueless dipshit that proposed a Forum Senate

Terminal autist
May 17, 2018

by vyelkin
The funniest thing is they just read the wikipedia page on space elevators and think they're an expert

Shima Honnou
Dec 1, 2010

The Once And Future King Of Dicetroit

College Slice
*looks at the massive box of polaroids biden undoubtedly took of his kids and grandkids when they were children* yikes theres a lot to unpack here

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

Lib and let die posted:

Weird, I went looking for the SYQ source and the USPol thread is on a 4 page derail about what chocolates a poster could buy when they lived in the UK in the 70's and no one has come in to hangrily put their foot down and decree that this discussion belongs in its own thread

Well, it's not a discussion about US Politics, which is the only thing that can under no circumstances ever be discussed in USPol.

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

Shima Honnou posted:

*looks at the massive box of polaroids biden undoubtedly took of his kids and grandkids when they were children* yikes theres a lot to unpack here

polaroids? more like daguerreotypes

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spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

Excelzior posted:

triple lol when its the same clueless dipshit that proposed a Forum Senate

lmao

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