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Borrovan posted:An annoying thing about social sciences is that the orthodoxy is almost always wrong, everybody knows it, but you just sort of go along with it anyway because ~it's the orthodoxy~. Like you'll be at a conference full of scholars, and everyone departs from the orthodoxy to some extent because it's obviously wrong, but it's always the starting point, and you have to completely justify each step you take away from it (not least because, whilst almost everyone agrees that the orthodoxy is wrong, they don't necessarily agree on how & in which direction). Was talking about this recently with some colleagues from various disciplines, & loving hell is it egregious in some of them (looking at you critical terrorism studies, like at what point can you just start presuming that Prevent is bad & racist rather than justifying it from first principles literally every single time (e: oh lol that's right "never" I forgot where your funding comes from)). This post was made by Utilitarian Ethics Gang.
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ronya posted:However, undergraduate econ is normally not tuned with the expectation that the student goes onto graduate econ (unless one is at a really serious course). The ideal economics graduate student reads maths; undergraduate economics demonstrates neither interest nor skills useful at a higher level, since it changes so much. Could you unpack this? I don't necessarily disagree but it seems like one of two things are happening here either; either depts. are deliberately choosing or being strong-armed into rubber-stamping econ grads as functionaries (which if I'm parsing correctly you say you don't agree with) or it's not a deliberate choice and they're are just abjectly failing to instruct their students?
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Jul 6, 2021 13:11
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Economics is also a lot of handwaving masquerading as science so it's not like they have a lot of choice
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Jul 6, 2021 13:15
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Rustybear posted:Could you unpack this? I assume (I didn't go to university) that ronya means that it's just a very complicated subject, so you simplify it for people who haven't done the advanced mathematics and statistics courses yet or whatever. I remember going into my first class of Higher Chemistry and the teacher, who I'd had for S.Grade before was quick to tell us "everything we taught you before was a lie". Which was hyperbolic but there were things where you'd get taught a simple version of something so you could grasp the concept I guess, and then later something would change: a number would gain decimal points or whatever. Most people studying Economics at undergraduate aren't going to academia, they'll probably go into the finance world so they don't need to know the fine details so you teach them a simplified version. It's why you get a lot of dangers in America: liberal arts education is popular so you have a shallow but broad knowledge base and with economics that probably means doing an intro Macro course where you learn about the supply and demand curve and so forth, but what you learned is wrong because it's an intro course. But nobody says when you start a course that this is a simplistic thing and they think it's an Iron law of the universe. Knowing just enough to have the confidence to bluff it is loving dangerous forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 13:28 on Jul 6, 2021 |
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Jul 6, 2021 13:24
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I've probably said it a million times before, but its my strong belief that Americans learn the art of confident public bullshitting by doing Show'n'Tell from kindergarten, and it makes them extremely dangerous
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Jul 6, 2021 13:34
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knox_harrington posted:No one's coming out of an undergrad degree or really any degree as an expert in anything (shut up PhDs that applies to you as well)
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Jul 6, 2021 13:35
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Rustybear posted:It does what it's designed to do very well, provide bluffers with just enough patter to be convincing to the non-specialist. This is exactly true. Phrased more charitably, it arms graduates with the skills to adapt very quickly to new material (as one would be in when rotating roles in a fast stream programme, or when hopping between clients at a consultancy, for instance). The less-kind interpretation is exactly that it hones bullshitting. Rustybear posted:Could you unpack this? It's nothing conspiratorial, except perhaps in the mundane sense that careers tutors could stand to do better sometimes... I feel it's a bit like the problem with being good at Science in primary school and then hoping to do well in... say, engineering, or physics. By the time one is at A levels, one has hopefully already learnt that, oh my god, it's full of differential equations. If you really loved maths all along, great. If not, well, I hope one didn't set all of one's hopes on it eventually losing interest in the math (it only does so when you've already graduated  ). And the advice there for undergraduates is the same - if you are applying to read physics, offering triple maths with as much calculus as you can get is even better than A-level physics. If you are applying to read medicine, offering chemistry with as much organic chem as you can get is even better than biology. It's counterintuitive but it's clear why after some reflection.For economics it's the same, except the cutoff generally swings at the leap from undergrad to graduate school. Two reasons there - at undergrad one is constrained to use the maths that students come armed with from their A-levels. So leaping straight into, say, the set theoretic approach that has been the bare minimum since Paul Samuelson is just out, unless one is at a sufficiently enthusiastic school that fully expects students to drink from the fire hose (remember, theory is not all there is - in the hours of the day the student also has to absorb some economic history and applied analysis). A lot of students won't have done any statistics and probability and believe me, courses normally have their hands full with just that alone. Second, it is genuinely the case that a lot of undergraduates will be reading Economics not to continue on to further study, any more than they are reading History to become historians in the next faculty over. It's a popular social science degree for other careers. So it's fair to reach some basics, even if it is not foundationally useful for advanced material.
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keep punching joe posted:It seems like individually, Politics, Philosophy, and Economics would be a good academic grounding to work in government. Why is it when you mash them all into one course it churns out absolute fuds? Imagine a Uni degree where you're taught that Pro Wrestling is real. You're constantly rewarded for saying pro wrestling is real, you're never shown anything that contradicts that and if you keep kayfabe you get a cushy job in the Pro Wrestling industry. That's PPE.
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Jul 6, 2021 13:37
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Gonzo McFee posted:Imagine a Uni degree where you're taught that Pro Wrestling is real. You're constantly rewarded for saying pro wrestling is real, you're never shown anything that contradicts that and if you keep kayfabe you get a cushy job in the Pro Wrestling industry. I would do PPE if one of the Ps was puroresu
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Jul 6, 2021 13:38
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TACD posted:um excuse me but I did a PhD and I absolutely feel that I can be considered an expert in “why LaTeX is extremely stupid and bad” OMG the trouble I had forcing wretched LaTex to put the chapter headings I wanted, not the ones it wanted to put or not to push all the figures onto fresh pages just when I added a full stop or something. Mind you, I cannot begin to imagine the pain of trying to do a thesis heavily laden with equations like mine was using Word (especially Word 97 which was the latest version when I started my PhD) though I understand that latest editions of Word have abandoned the equation editor and you can use LaTex instead. But I haven't upgraded my Office yet. Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 13:48 on Jul 6, 2021 |
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Jul 6, 2021 13:43
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Lol small world, the plumber is in fitting my new shower and not only is he the younger brother of my ex work colleagues husband, I also saw the CEO of the company I used to work for is the owner of the luxurious BMW that parks in the car park outside my house.
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Jul 6, 2021 13:58
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He just doesn't approve of the government second guessing his research into whether or not the drugs do, in fact, work
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Isomermaid posted:He just doesn't approve of the government second guessing his research into whether or not the drugs do, in fact, work Oh god, he's gonna rerelease that song as "The Jabs Don't Work" by next month, isn't he? It's even got the implicit anti-mask refrain of "I know I'll see your face again" Did I just Lathe of Heaven this into being?
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Jul 6, 2021 14:03
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Gonzo McFee posted:Imagine a Uni degree where you're taught that Pro Wrestling is real. You're constantly rewarded for saying pro wrestling is real, you're never shown anything that contradicts that and if you keep kayfabe you get a cushy job in the Pro Wrestling industry.
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Isomermaid posted:He just doesn't approve of the government second guessing his research into whether or not the drugs do, in fact, work
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Jul 6, 2021 14:07
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:OMG the trouble I had forcing wretched LaTex to put the chapter headings I wanted, not the ones it wanted to put or not to push all the figures onto fresh pages just when I added a full stop or something. It's $5 off eBay or SA Mart for a legit Office key
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Jul 6, 2021 14:10
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Trying to find something earlier I discovered a Pot Noodle I'd bought and forgot about so ended up having it for lunch. Hadn't eaten one in best part of a decade. Is there still a cultural stigma on Pot Noodle? Coz honestly, that was pleasant. Warming, filling, wish I'd had the foresight to buy Pot Noodles that time I went loopy and decided that living outside in a Glasgow winter was a better idea than paying the rent. That'd have kept me warm for not much money.
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forkboy84 posted:Trying to find something earlier I discovered a Pot Noodle I'd bought and forgot about so ended up having it for lunch. Hadn't eaten one in best part of a decade. I don’t feel there’s a stigma, there shouldn’t be anyway. They’re nice. Bombay Bad Boy can’t be beat. I find you generally can’t go wrong with a hot, spicy broth with a bit of carby material in it.
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Jul 6, 2021 14:19
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They used to be a joke for the same reason that microwave dinners were, and airline dinners, and TV dinners, and MREs. All of which have got better over the past few decades.
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Jul 6, 2021 14:22
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Guavanaut posted:Pro wrestling is at least as
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Failed Imagineer posted:I've probably said it a million times before, but its my strong belief that Americans learn the art of confident public bullshitting by doing Show'n'Tell from kindergarten, and it makes them extremely dangerous I've never heard you say this but it definitely tracks as my primary school did show and tell as a semi-regular thing and, well, my posting.
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Jul 6, 2021 14:28
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i get them the odd time if they are 50p to keep for when i've too much going on to be bothered making anything. always appreciated that they are all vegetarian. lately though they have all aspirational slogans under the lid like YOU CAN MAKE IT!!! gently caress off pot noodle i remember when you were the slag of snacks and i liked you that way 
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knox_harrington posted:Economics is also a lot of handwaving masquerading as science so it's not like they have a lot of choice There *is* some science to economics, but the problem is that subatomic particles don't change their behaviour based on the laws of physics so it's never going to be *science* science.
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crispix posted:i get them the odd time if they are 50p to keep for when i've too much going on to be bothered making anything. always appreciated that they are all vegetarian. lately though they have all aspirational slogans under the lid like YOU CAN MAKE IT!!! I can make it? No, Noodle, I absolutely cannot make dinner at this minute, that is why you are here.
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Jul 6, 2021 14:32
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The Pot Noodle is the food of the true proletariat. The Bombay Bad Boy especially.
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forkboy84 posted:Trying to find something earlier I discovered a Pot Noodle I'd bought and forgot about so ended up having it for lunch. Hadn't eaten one in best part of a decade. Still enjoy them, especially Chicken and Mushroom. Two slices of bread to dunk, good times. And yeah, there was even a time when I thought Pot Noodles were on the expensive side. They were the treat I would have. happyhippy fucked around with this message at 14:44 on Jul 6, 2021 |
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Failed Imagineer posted:UK county councils have flags? Cumberland is very nice and should have been the NIP choice.
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Jul 6, 2021 14:37
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i'm not paying more than 50p for a normal sized one though  a tube of pringles these days is like £2.50 to £3 lol no
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Miftan posted:This post was made by Utilitarian Ethics Gang. I was helping a friend clear out some rubbish the other day and she threw out (into charity boxes) all her philosophy books except nietzche and hume while proclaiming that nothing else was worth reading especially wittgenstein. I don't know enough philosophy to comment except that every time I try to read it my eyes glaze over and I start screaming after a few sentences.
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Jul 6, 2021 14:41
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Pot Noodle tastes like shredded cardboard with dried up peas they found down the back of a radiator, if there isn't a stigma against whatever Faustian pact it takes to make your taste buds tolerate them then there loving should be.
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Jul 6, 2021 14:42
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Nietzsche is good but there are plenty of other good philosophisers
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Jul 6, 2021 14:44
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OwlFancier posted:I was helping a friend clear out some rubbish the other day and she threw out (into charity boxes) all her philosophy books except nietzche and hume while proclaiming that nothing else was worth reading especially wittgenstein.
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I forget exactly what it was she said she hated about doing philosophy at the time, I think it was that it was the wrong sort, I can't remember whether she hated moral philosophy or wanted to do moral philosophy. I tried to help with an assignment but genuinely reading any of her source material just made me roll my eyes out of my head and out into the street, it's like reading theory but a million loving times worse because at least theory is usually complaining about something you agree with. Philosphers just seem to write like the most gargantuan wankers though.
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OwlFancier posted:she threw out (into charity boxes) all her philosophy books except nietzche and hume while proclaiming that nothing else was worth reading especially wittgenstein. I can understand throwing out her philosophy, but to also throw out her books, her except, her Nietzsche and her Hume! Sounds like she's playing language games to me. e: and her and, I forgot about her and
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nongshim shin ramyun extra spicy is my fav and will also clear out your sinuses pretty good too pot noodle noodles never really tasted like noodles to me but I would eat em if only for the novelty and the msg
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DesperateDan posted:nongshim shin ramyun extra spicy is my fav
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Barry Foster posted:Nietzsche is good but there are plenty of other good philosophisers Aristotle, Nietzsche and Descartes walk into a bar. Aristotle asks whose round it is. "It's Rene's", Nietzsche replies. "I think not", says Descartes, and vanishes.
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Jul 6, 2021 14:56
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As a noodle connoisseur, shin ramyun is a solid pick. Indomie Mie Goreng is also a classic. Samyang spicy noodles are VERY spicy but they're also loving delicious.
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Barry Foster posted:Nietzsche is good
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"If only it was as easy to buy a round by rubbing the glass" says Diogenes. Nobody wishes to sit with him.
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