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Neo Rasa posted:And X-Men 2 in 2003 cemented it as being here to stay even if there were some missteps and time between it and Iron Man. The one-two punch of Iron Man and The Dark Knight made people see $$$ signs again, but if Marvel hadn't made their studio and consolidated their IP there's no way you would have had an Endgame-type build thanks to all the studio fuckery. I mean, look at how hard it's been for other lines to get their franchises going.
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Can't forget Spider-Man 1 One, ie The First Spider-Man 1, in 2002 Other than the goofy Green Goblin costume (which, honestly, may have just been a necessary compromise), it felt so unashamed of its comic-bookness.
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Jul 6, 2021 04:12
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The Green Goblin costume just took the halloween mask cheese and replaced it with Power Rangers cheese, which was pretty cool https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fXAGC_B2Ys
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Jul 6, 2021 04:14
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I doubt we would have gotten Endgame level stuff if Disney hadn't taken over either. Feige wouldn't have had anyone that mattered in his corner when Perlmutter tried to micro the movies more in the Iron Man 3/Ant Man era. He probably would have brought Avi Arad back in the helm the rest of the Avengers movies.
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Jul 6, 2021 04:15
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Dignity Van Houten posted:Not specific to 1.5 but my favorite part of the first X-Men is out of shape wolverine It was more than that: he'd never seriously worked out before and started on set (he was cast as the movie was already shooting) as a result, he started putting on muscle really quickly, to the point that there's essentially a continuity error between the cage fight scene (which was shot late) and the scene where he wakes up. The commentary talked about how they got a jumper on him very quickly to lessen the divergence Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The weird thing about the original X-Men movies was how bad the action was for being ostensibly action movies. The first XMen had a really chaotic shoot where wolverine was recast very late and the release date was moved up by six months (it was a christmas 2000 release that was suddenly brought forward to summer) There's a bit on one of the DVD making ofs where you see the major crew members finding out and getting really angry.
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Jul 6, 2021 04:28
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The United States posted:The Green Goblin costume just took the halloween mask cheese and replaced it with Power Rangers cheese, which was pretty cool This video is cool, the power rangers mask is cool, and it'd be cool if they'd just spray-painted Willem DaFoe green. All great options IMO.
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In hindsight the Raimi films were almost perfect encapsulations of the cheesiness of the comic era it was drawing inspiration from and the choice of director was more or less perfect for it. I would also absolutely credit spidey 1 and 2 with furthering the comic book movie genre after X-men.
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Jul 6, 2021 05:40
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Also I’m sure this has been said a million times over but can we please get Willem Dafoe to play Joker sometime, thanks
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Jul 6, 2021 05:42
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Green Goblin is one of those characters whose costume 100% does not work in a live action setting at all, so you gotta do something or embrace cartoon logic
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Neo Rasa posted:I think it's fair to say that Blade, The Matrix, and X-Men all dropping from 1998-2000, together, made the "comic book movie" as we know it now possible. And X-Men 2 in 2003 cemented it as being here to stay even if there were some missteps and time between it and Iron Man. '78 Superman was the actual start but WB pissed it all away with the lovely sequels, which became something of a trend with superhero/comicbook movies (see also: TMNT, Batman '89, etc etc). Batman Begins in 2004 was also a crucial step in the modern evolution of comicbook movies (especially in terms of tone and planned continuity), building on what X-Men and Spider-Man had started.
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Next movie I watched from the library: Wonder Woman 1984. Who the hell thought any of this was a good idea. I struggle to believe it had the same director as the first Wonder Woman movie. Cythereal fucked around with this message at 14:02 on Jul 6, 2021 |
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Jul 6, 2021 13:59
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Cythereal posted:Next movie I watched from the library: Wonder Woman 1984. It was and she had free reign over the entire thing. No Snyder, no execs. Aren't you excited for Rogue Squadron>???
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Pillowpants posted:They nailed the casting with X1 but putting Rogue in the role Jubilee should have been in ruined it for me. Weird way to spell Kitty Pryde.
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Vintersorg posted:It was and she had free reign over the entire thing. No Snyder, no execs. Aren't you excited for Rogue Squadron>??? Diana arguably rapes some poor dude who never even gets named. Barbara fighting back against a guy who tried to sexually assault her twice is supposed to be her descent into evil. Somehow one magic speech made everyone in the world give up their wishes. "No one knows what caused the Roman Empire to collapse." "Barbara's desire to be like Diana - a tough, proud, rear end-kicking woman who doesn't take poo poo from people - is selfish and wrong and starts her down the road to evil." That movie was as bad as it was completely baffling. Cythereal fucked around with this message at 14:24 on Jul 6, 2021 |
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Jul 6, 2021 14:19
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Cythereal posted:Diana arguably rapes some poor dude who never even gets named. Bwuh? I haven't seen the movie and heard mostly bad things, but I had never heard this. Doesn't her boyfriend come back from the dead via ~*magic*~? Who is she raping?
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Jul 6, 2021 14:36
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Bwuh? He comes back by somehow possessing or overwriting some random, nameless dude. Diana then sleeps with Trevor. When she gives back her wish, Trevor immediately reverts to the random dude he was before.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Bwuh? Her boyfriend's soul explicitly possesses a random dude without his permission. e;f, b
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The director just kinda brushes it off when asked about it too.
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It was all magic that brought Steve Trevor back, I don't see why they couldn't just have him materialize out of thin air instead of the body swap. There was no reason for the body swap, it had zero bearing on the plot and the host body wasn't like a pre-established character or anything.
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Jul 6, 2021 14:49
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It's the ~Monkey's Paw~
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Vintersorg posted:It was and she had free reign over the entire thing. No Snyder, no execs. Aren't you excited for Rogue Squadron>??? Being written by the guy who did the script for Dora and the Lost City of Gold!
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Detective No. 27 posted:It was all magic that brought Steve Trevor back, I don't see why they couldn't just have him materialize out of thin air instead of the body swap. There was no reason for the body swap, it had zero bearing on the plot and the host body wasn't like a pre-established character or anything. multijoe posted:It's the ~Monkey's Paw~ The intended point is that Diana is literally dating the Random Guy and metaphorically projecting the traits of her dead boyfriend onto him. The issue is that Diana gradually learns that this is bad, and it's presented in terms of her personal development (attachment to the dead Steve 'prevents her from flying', so she must finally admit that she doesn't actually love Random Guy...). The filmmakers didn't consider issues of consent because they were focused on this metaphor, where this is merely the story of a flawed relationship and amicable breakup. To many people in the audience, however, it's immediately obvious that this is actually a much more horrific scenario: Diana has unwittingly brainwashed or killed a dude. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 15:12 on Jul 6, 2021 |
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feedmyleg posted:Weird way to spell Kitty Pryde. She was already in these movies? Wasn't she jealous of Sookie and Icemans relationship? Pillowpants fucked around with this message at 15:47 on Jul 6, 2021 |
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Pillowpants posted:She was already in these movies? Wasn't she jealous of Sookie and Icemans relationship? Yeah, it was a pretty terrible role. Which made her showing up in DoFP kinda great. She had, like, Things To Do there apart from being chased by a meme-spouting Vinnie Jones.
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Pillowpants posted:She was already in these movies? Wasn't she jealous of Sookie and Icemans relationship? 90s kids watch X-Men and think "Hey no Jubilee?!", when folks that grew up in the 80s think "Where Kitty Pryde?!"
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Cythereal posted:Diana arguably rapes some poor dude who never even gets named. 
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multijoe posted:It's the ~Monkey's Paw~ For it to be a Monkey’s Paw wish Steve and Diana would have to morally struggle with their decision to kill a guy but they absolutely do not care at all.
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This and the mall scene are without a doubt some of the worst action set pieces in superhero movies let alone major block busters. When they released the preview mall fight I couldn't believe insanely horrible it was. "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfRAVvbrNg0
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Glad to see the baby from American Sniper is getting more work.
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One thing you have to think about is how much of WW84 was put together and dictated Not To Be Changed by DC/WB execs prior to handing it to Jenkins. For example, the Bat-brand from BvS (as well as the title of BvS) was set before Snyder or Terrio had anything to do with it.
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I don't know -- I don't think Jenkins is a particularly good action director and I thought the first Wonder Woman film was incredibly dull.
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I was going to say that even the best action scenes can look bad if you slow it down and play it in a 600x460 resolution compressed gif. But, then I went to see the actual scene on Youtube and it is literally that bad and the slow-mo is actually part of the scene. Yikes.
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Vintersorg posted:This and the mall scene are without a doubt some of the worst action set pieces in superhero movies let alone major block busters. It's like those Indian Bollywood exaggerated supercop movies
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She wanted to put those Palestinian Kids in the missile path.
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Dignity Van Houten posted:It's like those Indian Bollywood exaggerated supercop movies No, those are good
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RBA Starblade posted:No, those are good
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Snowman_McK posted:The first XMen had a really chaotic shoot where wolverine was recast very late And all because Tom Cruise and John Woo are lunatics and Mission: Impossible II went wildly over-schedule with re-shoots. I seriously cannot imagine Dougray Scott as Wolverine. I wonder if there's any footage of him screen testing for the role.
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Vintersorg posted:This and the mall scene are without a doubt some of the worst action set pieces in superhero movies let alone major block busters. ahahaha what the gently caress poo poo's like an SNL scene with a movie budget how is that meant to be the same character as this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlJtYiubyYw or even the first WW film? I heard it was bad, but woof EDIT that said, I watched Aquaman the other day and it kinda ruled. It was dumb and weird and objectively kinda bad but it was fun as heck
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Aquaman has some pacing issues but is thoroughly ok which is more than I can say for WW84 or BvS.
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MiddleOne posted:Aquaman has some pacing issues but is thoroughly ok which is more than I can say for WW84 or BvS. I was with you til the last word of your sentence (unless you're talking about the theatrical cut of course)
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