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bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
Another massive ransomware hack by Russian hackers. I'm sure they've learned their lesson and will stop doing it after this one though, couldn't possibly be something they will keep doing profitably forever and ever until stopped by external forces.

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Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

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Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD

bird food bathtub posted:

Another massive ransomware hack by Russian hackers. I'm sure they've learned their lesson and will stop doing it after this one though, couldn't possibly be something they will keep doing profitably forever and ever until stopped by external forces.

thats because the external forces that can stop this(the free market) has actively chosen not to.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Proud Christian Mom posted:

thats because the external forces that can stop this(the free market) has actively chosen not to.

Its this. Despite being a largely digital economy, companies continue to view IT and Security especially as "Cost Centers" not worth investing in during their rush to market, and most companies view ransomware as nothing more than a cost of doing business now.

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD
its cheaper to eat the disaster and let insurance pay for it all than to spend the money yearly to make it not a worry

feature, not a bug.

RFC2324
Jun 7, 2012

http 418

Just to be clear, this is not a new way of thinking. Companies have been just letting people die horribly and calling it the cost of business for a long time. We just have new tools so they can do it faster and more publicly now

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

RFC2324 posted:

Just to be clear, this is not a new way of thinking. Companies have been just letting people die horribly and calling it the cost of business for a long time. We just have new tools so they can do it faster and more publicly now

Oh no, I wasn't claiming its new.

Proud Christian Mom posted:

its cheaper to eat the disaster and let insurance pay for it all than to spend the money yearly to make it not a worry

feature, not a bug.

This may be the only thing that forces change, actually, as the instance of ransomware is increasing, and Cybersecurity Insurance providers are getting sick of paying out for simple issues.

RFC2324
Jun 7, 2012

http 418

CommieGIR posted:

Oh no, I wasn't claiming its new.

This may be the only thing that forces change, actually, as the instance of ransomware is increasing, and Cybersecurity Insurance providers are getting sick of paying out for simple issues.

I wonder if all these businesses have realized that they are counting on an even more greedy business being willing to take a loss?

boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

RFC2324 posted:

I wonder if all these businesses have realized that they are counting on an even more greedy business being willing to take a loss?

Nah, because underwriters syndicate risks in such a way that they don’t have extreme exposure to any one claim.

RFC2324
Jun 7, 2012

http 418

FrozenVent posted:

Nah, because underwriters syndicate risks in such a way that they don’t have extreme exposure to any one claim.

Correct, but when every single policy is turning into a payout in pretty short order they have a bit of a problem. Insurance is predicated on most people paying into it not actually cashing out

boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016

RFC2324 posted:

Correct, but when every single policy is turning into a payout in pretty short order they have a bit of a problem. Insurance is predicated on most people paying into it not actually cashing out

There’s a pretty recent case study on this

https://insight.kellogg.northwestern.edu/article/what-went-wrong-at-aig

Defenestrategy
Oct 24, 2010

RFC2324 posted:

Correct, but when every single policy is turning into a payout in pretty short order they have a bit of a problem. Insurance is predicated on most people paying into it not actually cashing out

I suspect if it gets that bad cyber insurance companies are gonna get as cut throat as car insurance. "Sorry friend, didn't upgrade your routers firmware last month? That may as well be an act of god, we're not covering."

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Defenestrategy posted:

I suspect if it gets that bad cyber insurance companies are gonna get as cut throat as car insurance. "Sorry friend, didn't upgrade your routers firmware last month? That may as well be an act of god, we're not covering."

They are already doing this in some places, I had one client who had refused to address a finding we exposed, they got popped through that finding, and their insurance company told them to pound sand.

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

CommieGIR posted:

Oh no, I wasn't claiming its new.

This may be the only thing that forces change, actually, as the instance of ransomware is increasing, and Cybersecurity Insurance providers are getting sick of paying out for simple issues.

Roughly the same thing that shipping companies did with HoA piracy. They spent actual years getting hijacked before deciding it was worth the fuel costs to route a few miles farther from the coast.

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD

CommieGIR posted:

They are already doing this in some places, I had one client who had refused to address a finding we exposed, they got popped through that finding, and their insurance company told them to pound sand.

One of my clients got told to get hosed by their insurance company a few years ago. The division in question did their own in-house IT and was very bad and insurance basically told them to stop sucking at it because it sure looked like negligence on their end.

pantslesswithwolves
Oct 28, 2008

https://twitter.com/Terrence_STR/status/1412443556363620352

Strong “well well, if it isn’t the consequences of my own actions” vibes from being a racist harassing his neighbors while yelling out his home address on video.

RFC2324
Jun 7, 2012

http 418

Defenestrategy posted:

I suspect if it gets that bad cyber insurance companies are gonna get as cut throat as car insurance. "Sorry friend, didn't upgrade your routers firmware last month? That may as well be an act of god, we're not covering."

Yeah, as people are saying this is already happening. My question is if the people who are making the cost of doing business decisions realize that they are doing this to themselves

They have the goose that lays golden eggs, and are squeezing it for all the gold NAO NAO NAO

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

pantslesswithwolves posted:

https://twitter.com/Terrence_STR/status/1412443556363620352

Strong “well well, if it isn’t the consequences of my own actions” vibes from being a racist harassing his neighbors while yelling out his home address on video.

The cops are his people.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

pantslesswithwolves posted:

https://twitter.com/Terrence_STR/status/1412443556363620352

Strong “well well, if it isn’t the consequences of my own actions” vibes from being a racist harassing his neighbors while yelling out his home address on video.

That's the sauce, right there.

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD
its just not CEOs of shipping companies or whatever saying "this is cheaper, do it", the security products and services theyre buying are often fundamentally flawed because of cost cutting as well. for example, todays tweet thread about Kaspersky's Password Manager, which is basically useless https://twitter.com/matthew_d_green/status/1412411435842519049?s=20

our entire market is built around the premise of "what delivers more bonuses to the c-suite and more cash to the shareholders this quarter" and virtually every industry reflects it.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Proud Christian Mom posted:

its just not CEOs of shipping companies or whatever saying "this is cheaper, do it", the security products and services theyre buying are often fundamentally flawed because of cost cutting as well. for example, todays tweet thread about Kaspersky's Password Manager, which is basically useless https://twitter.com/matthew_d_green/status/1412411435842519049?s=20

our entire market is built around the premise of "what delivers more bonuses to the c-suite and more cash to the shareholders this quarter" and virtually every industry reflects it.

Oh yeah, that was a good one. They rolled their own Crypto. You never roll your own crypto.

RFC2324
Jun 7, 2012

http 418

Proud Christian Mom posted:

its just not CEOs of shipping companies or whatever saying "this is cheaper, do it", the security products and services theyre buying are often fundamentally flawed because of cost cutting as well. for example, todays tweet thread about Kaspersky's Password Manager, which is basically useless https://twitter.com/matthew_d_green/status/1412411435842519049?s=20

our entire market is built around the premise of "what delivers more bonuses to the c-suite and more cash to the shareholders this quarter" and virtually every industry reflects it.

I laugh at anyone using kaspersky anything. I remember a thing that just mysteriously vanished about a decade ago when they started getting big about the Russian government leaning on them to put in backdoor code, which made me distrust them,and really any Russia based security firm.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

CommieGIR posted:

They are already doing this in some places, I had one client who had refused to address a finding we exposed, they got popped through that finding, and their insurance company told them to pound sand.

Takes a lot for me to side with the insurance guys but, yeah, client deserved this.

GD_American
Jul 21, 2004

LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY AS IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT!

RFC2324 posted:

I laugh at anyone using kaspersky anything. I remember a thing that just mysteriously vanished about a decade ago when they started getting big about the Russian government leaning on them to put in backdoor code, which made me distrust them,and really any Russia based security firm.

Yeah Kaspersky is a pretty hilariously thin FSB front at this point. No moral outrage from me, considering the NSA compromised virtually every American tech company too.

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD
oh yeah this is all before we even address that tech companies willingly build in flaws for letter agencies, and the NSA sits on a pile of 0-days

GD_American
Jul 21, 2004

LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY AS IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT!
If you aren't already sick of Donald Rumsfeld grave-dancing, here's an extraordinarily cute attempt from a jackass to join in:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-rumsfeld-princeton-encounter_n_60de4430e4b0e01b6b1c6b89

"Donald Rumsfeld was mean to me as a college sophomore. Also, please look at this sexy picture of the author as a young man, and yes I will point out that is a Princeton class ring I'm wearing"

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
https://twitter.com/ZTPetrizzo/status/1412423956993351694

Scrolled through and it's mostly comedic constitutional chatter. One person was like "what is Sonic the Hedgehog furry porn?" and nobody has provided examples as of this writing.

Wingnut Ninja
Jan 11, 2003

Mostly Harmless
This is like seven different flavors of yikes.

https://twitter.com/GwynneFitz/status/1411709470237986817

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

GD_American posted:

If you aren't already sick of Donald Rumsfeld grave-dancing, here's an extraordinarily cute attempt from a jackass to join in:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-rumsfeld-princeton-encounter_n_60de4430e4b0e01b6b1c6b89

"Donald Rumsfeld was mean to me as a college sophomore. Also, please look at this sexy picture of the author as a young man, and yes I will point out that is a Princeton class ring I'm wearing"

"David Groff is the author of two books of poetry"

Yeah, sounds like that dude got a lot out of that poly sci course.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

And plenty of facial recognition technology. And fingerprint collection. And eavesdropping.

I wonder if the NYPD got permission from Disney before slapping their IP all over their Mobile Profiling Unit.

Bored As Fuck
Jan 1, 2006
Fun Shoe
The time to get the Afghan interpreters and others who helped the US military out was 6 months ago. Right now it's critical.

https://youtu.be/NZfCqG7b6Gg

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008


this reminds me of this store in oceanside that was a free high end LAN center in order to get people in to sell them gaming laptops at 250% mark up

That Works
Jul 22, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


A defense attorney on Twitter was also mentioning the NYPD truck basically saying "please never go on this".

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Bored As gently caress posted:

The time to get the Afghan interpreters and others who helped the US military out was 6 months ago. Right now it's critical.

https://youtu.be/NZfCqG7b6Gg

Unfortunately the US navy can't be in osprey range let alone helicopter range of the capital this time

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

EMERGENCY POWER TO PARTY
While all eyes were on Kaseya, Cozy Bear may have gotten into the RNC via managed service provider Synnex:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-06/russian-state-hackers-breached-republican-national-committee

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Kesper North posted:

While all eyes were on Kaseya, Cozy Bear may have gotten into the RNC via managed service provider Synnex:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-06/russian-state-hackers-breached-republican-national-committee

Ransomware: A land of contrasts.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



Kesper North posted:

While all eyes were on Kaseya, Cozy Bear may have gotten into the RNC via managed service provider Synnex:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-06/russian-state-hackers-breached-republican-national-committee

Russians in the RNC computers? They probably could have saved themselves the trouble and just asked for the domain controller password.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/1412565836615798787

https://twitter.com/KT_So_It_Goes/status/1412584321148461057

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Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT

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