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Let's rejigger that framing: Like, IDK what the Amazon LOTR series will actually be, but there's not really a good track record of LOTR properties that are not 2001-2003 Peter Jackson LOTR trilogy. It'll be Expanded Universe that nobody actually cares about, plucked from backstory that vanishingly few people actually read. Even if it's based largely in part from curated notes, it's not like Chris Tolkien's wretched works actually get a lot of eyeballs. Comparatively, people actually bought and read WoT books in large numbers (can't compete against 50 years of Frodo Sam and Gandalf, but neither can whatever fanfic Amazon writers thought up). ---- Now, as far as dragons are concerned, there are actually wyvern-like creatures as soon as TGH. Raken and to'raken (pronounced as closely to dragons as you can get without just calling them dragons) are giant flying lizards that are described as dragons (and carry spellcasters that can throw fireballs ...) And then near the end the Sharans go into a formation that is basically a sinuous asian serpent.
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:to'raken (pronounced as closely to dragons as you can get without just calling them dragons) are giant flying lizards that are described as dragons (and carry spellcasters that can throw fireballs ...) 
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Jul 4, 2021 23:52
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Invalid Validation posted:Not only that but they aren’t even described in stories or anything. We earth humans know what a dragon is supposed to be from drawings and stories. So it’s literally just for the reader. The dragon symbol might as well be gibberish to anyone looking at it. They also make a point that only scholars really know what it's called and what/who it represents. It's ambiguous if the Clan Chiefs know that the the creature on their arms are dragons. They know they're called the people of the dragon, since all Aiel warriors do, but whether they would know the symbol as a dragon would really depend on what any of them saw in the previous lives. It wouldn't be surprising i f they did, but I don't remember it ever being spelled out.
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Jul 4, 2021 23:56
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ninjoatse.cx posted:They also make a point that only scholars really know what it's called and what/who it represents. I'd imagine that plenty of them would see it in their ancestors' memories.
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Jul 5, 2021 00:42
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^2 geez.
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Jul 5, 2021 15:24
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80+ new replies. Thought for sure the trailer must have dropped.
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Jul 7, 2021 16:05
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th3t00t posted:80+ new replies. Thought for sure the trailer must have dropped. The teaser wasn't the Trailer. There are neither trailers nor credit sequences to the Wheel of time. But it was a trailer.
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Jul 8, 2021 02:01
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Stormangel posted:The teaser wasn't the Trailer. It was a teaser. Though, a proper teaser would have shots from the actual show, with, you know, people, even for a few seconds.
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Jul 8, 2021 02:27
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Armauk posted:It was a teaser. Though, a proper teaser would have shots from the actual show, with, you know, people, even for a few seconds. Yeah. They've done nothing to hype anyone. Everyone already hates GOT so that's not a catch anymore to watch a new fantasy. Whatever. I'm accepting the WOT fps tower defense game as the best thing made for it ever
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Jul 8, 2021 02:33
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The real audience for LOTR and WoT is Jeff Bezos, so they'll stick around until he gets bored of em
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Jul 8, 2021 07:03
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I think he already sells Bored of the Rings
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Jul 8, 2021 12:32
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The Glumslinger posted:The real audience for LOTR and WoT is Jeff Bezos, so they'll stick around until he gets bored of em ah, that's why he quit Amazon? So he can just stay at home and binge the whole series?
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Jul 8, 2021 12:48
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Sab669 posted:ah, that's why he quit Amazon? So he can just stay at home and binge the whole series? Probably figures if he retires now he can read the first couple books by showtime
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Jul 8, 2021 13:27
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The Glumslinger posted:The real audience for LOTR and WoT is Jeff Bezos, so they'll stick around until he gets bored of em I think he likes them for the sheer amount of money fanboys will shell out to buy Amazon Prime memberships and merchandise related to those shows. Amazon is doing what HBO did for GoT.
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Jul 8, 2021 13:50
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I've been fully re-reading WOT for the first time since having read The Stormlight Archives and the rest of the Cosmere books, and it has been interesting. I had read Mistborn before reading through Sanderson's WOT contributions the first time, but I hadn't realized how much he had really followed through on his promise to tell RJ's story in his own style rather than trying (and likely failing) to imitate another author. The initial Gawyn chapters in TGS when he's conflicted about which Tower faction to support and is being a dumbass (still) with regards to Egwene read so much like mopey Kaladin chapters from Stormlight it's almost painful. Some sequences with Mat where he's being "witty" or "clever" read just like early Shallan stuff. Rand, Perrin, and Egwene (and Tuon!) all have sections that read like Dalinar, and there's plenty of other similarities as well. Overall I'm still on team "he did as good a job as anyone could have done" with regards to how Sanderson finished off the series and I remain glad that he did. But I don't think I'll bother reading through the end again. It was obvious the first time I read Sanderson's WOT books that the characters were not the same, but now it feels like they've been possessed by other characters I also know, and it's just really off-putting. I'm 3/4 of the way through TGS so I still have a lot of pages to change my mind. I do remember AMOL being pretty goddamn epic but I know the Androl magic system stuff is probably going to seem even more egregious this time around, so who knows.
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He does action stuff pretty good so I’ll give him that. The last battle was good as far as I’m concerned. I read the mistborn/stormlight books recently and he has trouble with the middle of books where basically nothing happens.
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aparmenideanmonad posted:I've been fully re-reading WOT for the first time since having read The Stormlight Archives and the rest of the Cosmere books, and it has been interesting. I had read Mistborn before reading through Sanderson's WOT contributions the first time, but I hadn't realized how much he had really followed through on his promise to tell RJ's story in his own style rather than trying (and likely failing) to imitate another author. I greatly enjoy Sanderson's own works and think he did a better job of finishing WoT than anyone could have hoped for. But it's not without it's flaws, and we have nothing else to discuss on this dead comedy forum because Amazon still hasn't dropped a trailer!
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Jul 8, 2021 15:44
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th3t00t posted:I love TGS for the sheer fact that someone finally starts knocking down the dominos that RJ spent 11 books lining up. I don't mind the shift in prose and shift in the characters. I don't like ToM and MoL as much and they feel more "Sandersony" to me. Androl was enjoyable on the first reading, but he's egregiously out of place on re-reads. Perrin is basically one long repetitive dream action sequence barley connected to the rest of the story after the White cloak trial(which was pretty annoying in it's self). This is very much my take. I kinda did mind the shift in prose and pacing, but I knew it pretty much had to happen to actually finish the series. Reading the last few books, I personally called Perrin's chapters the Dragon Ball Z chapters, since all he does is train and then get magical powers for doing it.
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Jul 8, 2021 15:51
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perrin's whole deal definitely sticks out to me after a point, because he's always kind of been the most superfluous of the 3 main protags and after a while he's just blipping around just kind of chasing his own enemy while everyone else is moving the plot
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Jul 8, 2021 15:55
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ninjoatse.cx posted:This is very much my take. I kinda did mind the shift in prose and pacing, but I knew it pretty much had to happen to actually finish the series. Reading the last few books, I personally called Perrin's chapters the Dragon Ball Z chapters, since all he does is train and then get magical powers for doing it. Perrin in the hyperbolic dream sequence: Itsssssssss jussssssssssssssssst On the next episode of Dragon Wheel Z: Perrin in the hyperbolic dream sequence: aaaaaaaa weeeeeaaaavvvveeee
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Jul 8, 2021 16:25
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It would necessitate revamping a whole lot of plot, but I could see Perrin’s leadership snowballing after the Shapiro are spread across the continent and he ends up unifying the bulk of the nations for Rand just by going around convincing generals to work with him.
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Jul 8, 2021 16:28
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Democratic Pirate posted:It would necessitate revamping a whole lot of plot, but I could see Perrin’s leadership snowballing after the Shapiro are spread across the continent and he ends up unifying the bulk of the nations for Rand just by going around convincing generals to work with him. Enjoying this autocorrect. But yeah, it was weird to me that they lean hard on Perrin being willing to cooperate with the Seanchan in book 11 and then nothing really comes of it. Mat is obviously in a good place to do some uniting as well, but I agree that Perrin could have been used more politically in the final books considering all the polish he'd been acquiring from Faile and associating with Berelain/Alliandre.
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Jul 8, 2021 16:35
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Democratic Pirate posted:It would necessitate revamping a whole lot of plot, but I could see Perrin’s leadership snowballing after the Shapiro are spread across the continent and he ends up unifying the bulk of the nations for Rand just by going around convincing generals to work with him. Immensely cursed typo, but also kinda fitting.
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The show runner is doing a panel at ComicCon on 7/23, would make tons of sense to sync it up with a trailer to kick off the hype train.
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Jul 8, 2021 21:10
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They'll probably just show another photo of a guitar.
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Jul 8, 2021 22:10
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How are u posted:They'll probably just show another photo of a guitar. Maybe a wagon this time.
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Jul 8, 2021 22:52
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Let’s aim big, a presumed magical hood ornament
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Jul 9, 2021 02:29
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Callandor but it’s plastic and obviously so.
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Jul 9, 2021 02:44
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Invalid Validation posted:Callandor but it’s plastic and obviously so. It's a lightsabre but one of the really cheap shoddy toys
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Jul 9, 2021 03:02
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That SPOCK helmet only it has SWORDS taped over it
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Jul 9, 2021 04:02
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At this point I'm 50/50 on this being an elaborate joke from Bezos who wanted to one up Star Citizen in showing nothing but getting people excited.
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Jul 9, 2021 04:13
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The dildo ter'angreal.
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Jul 9, 2021 04:14
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aparmenideanmonad posted:Enjoying this autocorrect. Perrin would be perfect at that, he and Faile were really good as a team at getting people to do poo poo. Watching politicians poo poo themselves because they don't realize he means what he says and is going to do what he says with Faile knifing anyone who disagrees is fun. Also, the next tease will probably be a clear pool, or a tree that turns around to show a face and everyone will think they're ripping off Groot.
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seaborgium posted:Perrin would be perfect at that, he and Faile were really good as a team at getting people to do poo poo. Watching politicians poo poo themselves because they don't realize he means what he says and is going to do what he says with Faile knifing anyone who disagrees is fun. This could also be used to give Elayne better stuff to do in the mid to late series, instead of chasing the Black Ajah like an idiot and taking baths she could be actively trying to diplomatically counter these people who are building a new, larger kingdom next door to hers.
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Jul 9, 2021 05:52
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Perrin always felt like a "rebuilding" character to me. He's well placed (via marriage and personal connections) to start binding the "wetlands" back together at the start of the Fourth Age.
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Jul 9, 2021 06:00
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Ponsonby Britt posted:This could also be used to give Elayne better stuff to do in the mid to late series, instead of chasing the Black Ajah like an idiot and taking baths she could be actively trying to diplomatically counter these people who are building a new, larger kingdom next door to hers. Bad idea to make her work actively against main characters. There's no way she doesn't come off worse. Like, the problem already is that she is set against a series of events that must occur so she's not allowed to make any progress against it. What makes you think putting her up against actual ta'veren is going to look better for her? VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE fucked around with this message at 06:29 on Jul 9, 2021 |
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Jul 9, 2021 06:25
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Yeah, if you want to make Elayne look better, getting her into a contest of wits against Faile and one of the ta'veren is not going to be a big help.
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Might be better off to move most of her machinations into her travel from whereever to Caemlyn. Have her assemble her claim before she even walks in. She's got the Kin and a Seafolk delegation, then the Black Ajah murder plot, while she's marching through Andor trying to convince the major houses to back her, have her visit the Borderlander army, etc., then have her take Caemlyn from Arymilla. The major accomplishment here is this divorces the Black Ajah plot from the Succession plot so she's not spinning her wheels against everything at once. Have her make a clean sweep of the Black Ajah plot. Then, skip around on her a little, fit in the four way Bond, let everyone else catch up to TGS-ToM, and have Arymilla's cohorts, now imprisoned, turn out to be traitor/Darkfriend, escape captivity, and start the Caemlyn attack.
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I hope the show does a good job illustrating just how bad some of these characters suck. Make it obvious that Elayne gets people killed all the time and that Gawyn is just totally useless. Do it without making the show itself terrible please.
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The next tease will be the flame and the void, and everyone will claim it's ripping off this:
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