Tree Goat posted:

a slav is a featherless biped

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

my slavic experience is everyone chain smokes and slams vodka shots at dinner, but somehow have iron livers and steel lungs.

Unkempt posted:

Falukorv posted:

I think you can make the case that genuine Jämtlandic is different enough to merit some mention, being closer related to the neighbouring old norwegian dialects up there. But it is in a similar situation as elfdalinan as in not that many speak it and all of them speak standard swedish just fine. Still, jämtlandic is imo more intelligible than elfdalian for a middle swede. Compare some of Allan Edwalls songs that he sang in that dialect.

But yeah, Scanian at this point is a east danish influenced regional varation of standard swedish nowadays like most Swedish dialects.

And true, very inconsistent. Another glaring issue is the omission of the genuine Swedish "bondska" dialects around Piteå and Skellefteå in coastal northern Sweden with significanlty less intelligibility with "standard" Swedish than Scanian who get their own inguistic region. Same goes for the true Dalecarlian dialects above and west of Siljan in Dalarna. Elfdalian is not the only one, and some that are rather considered dialects of standard swedish are still at the very least as different to middle swedish as Scanian is.

Regarding Sami lagnuages i cant speak to their similarity other than pite and lule sami at least being closely related, but Pitesami has a much smaller number of speakers (less than 50) compared to Lule sami (at least 1000 and up to a couple of thousand speakers) and the largest northern sami (around 15 000 speakers).

A Buttery Pastry posted:

You're all being remarkably cavalier about how Scania came to be what it is today, but I guess cultural genocide is fine if you can look down on the descendants as backwards southerners.

Randarkman posted:

Scandinavian languages all being very much mutually intelligible casts some doubt on whether or not they should all be counted as separate languages anyway.

Groda posted:

I'm still hunting for it, but there's an article about Danish Skåne in Språktidningen consisting mainly of letters from parish priests complaining to their colleagues back in Copenhagen about how bad the locals were at learning Danish.

SlothfulCobra posted:

FreudianSlippers posted:

incomprehensible to outsiders.

Bonnagilled posted:

På bored står där en spiddekaga
å mad så borbenen bårjar knaga
i hela hused där e en os
å sölta, brunkål å rabbemos.
I början snackar di mest om väret
te di får smort litta på mongläred.
Te fåsste sypen di tar nåd salt
sin går de nör både varmt å kallt.

Jins Pärsen bredbent går ront på gåled
mä högra tommen i västahåled
han snackar höjt om sin fine går
å rögar skarpt når han tar en tår.
Ve väggen kvingorna lyss så tösta
me sina stickor å garnanösta.
I kammaren spelar nånna knack
å slår i bored så de sir smack.

Jins Pärsens slips sidder bag i nacken
å mitt får ännen där släpper fracken
den vänstra böjsan har kröbet opp
å hängt se fast på hans pjäxestropp.
Di grinar opp se kring alla boren
som goa barn å den skånske joren
så hållt de gille, ja lad me se
ja tror de va nittanhonratre.

Platystemon posted:

Konec Hry posted:

As a Scanian myself, it's clear that what I speak is basically a regional variation of Swedish. However, as I read that the late and great Peps Persson said, no one in these days is speaking "true" Scanian anymore, just Swedish with a Scanian accent.

I mean I still had relatives living late in the 20th century who said "alligevel" instead of "ändå".

For example, the example I posted above and this is, I think, more equal to "real" Scanian. I would still classify that as Swedish though.

Vasukhani posted:

The top one looks like a bad fantasy map, especially if you rotate it so east is on the top.

"In land seas, really?"

Konec Hry posted:

As a Scanian myself, it's clear that what I speak is basically a regional variation of Swedish. However, as I read that the late and great Peps Persson said, no one in these days is speaking "true" Scanian anymore, just Swedish with a Scanian accent.

I mean I still had relatives living late in the 20th century who said "alligevel" instead of "ändå".

For example, the example I posted above and this is, I think, more equal to "real" Scanian. I would still classify that as Swedish though.

Carthag Tuek posted:

Those examples are neat! Here's an example of the East-Danish Bornholm dialect from 1869, with a contemporary translation to Standard Danish (rigsdansk):


But yeah, to be sure, I agree that Scanian isn't a Danish dialect anymore & was never a separate language.

SlothfulCobra posted:

It just messes with my head seeing a different projection of the northeast like that, although it totally makes sense to arrange everything at like a 45 degree angle so that the coastline and the St. Lawrence river either go totally vertical or horizontal.

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

Scandigoons talking about scandinavian languages in english, the most scandinavian thing in the world

Platystemon posted:

Carthag Tuek posted:

what is that, madrid to christchurch?

Grevling posted:

This is very cool, there's lots of interesting parallels between the different non-standard dialects of all the Scandinavian languages that I've noticed. Some sort of parallel evolution going on here and there maybe.

Platystemon posted:

Alaejos to Wellington

http://rwoodley.org/?p=1654

Platystemon posted:

Pope Hilarius II posted:

Speaking of parallel evolutions in Germanic languages, here's another nifty one: the rhotic shift. English used to have a clear alveolar r (which is stereotypically associated with Scots these days) but it began to turn into the approximant r before consonants and at the end of words before taking over all instances, and the r disappearing altogether at word ends and in pre-consonant positions over the course of the 19th century (which is why US English retained the approximant in all positions except in Southern US English and the closely related AAVE).

Now, Norwegian, Swedish and (Northern) Dutch are going through the same cycle, where the previously clear alveolar r is turning into approximants in pre-consonant positions and/or in word endings. The only thing that's throwing a spanner in the works is the steady spread of the uvular r, which is now co-standard in Dutch and standard in both German and Danish.

Slightly amusing sidenote: I took two years of Norwegian as an optional course at uni, and some drunk college kid in Norway thought I was a Dane when I was trying to speak Norwegian with him, then felt despondent when I switched to English, stating that he was "such a rural bumpkin from Nor-Norge that even that Dane couldn't understand my Norwegian". Truth was I had simply run out of words and I am very obviously not Danish, but I do speak Norwegian with a uvular r because switching between an alveolar r and an approximant fucks me up (I use neither in my native language).

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

Meanwhile in Australia, they are just moving the Rs around. Norrrrrr, I live in Austaliar, we don't say the aaaah

Carthag Tuek posted:

Those examples are neat! Here's an example of the East-Danish Bornholm dialect from 1869, with a contemporary translation to Standard Danish (rigsdansk):


But yeah, to be sure, I agree that Scanian isn't a Danish dialect anymore & was never a separate language.

System Metternich posted:

Is there a reason why Rigsdank is printed in Antiqua and Bornholm dialect in Fraktur? In German of that time you’d see Antiqua normally only for non-German texts and vocabulary, but in this case both texts are at least nominally Danish

Muscle Tracer posted:

A hosed up Mercator. I know people intellectually understand that projections are hosed but i particularly like this as an example of that because you can say "where's India?" and watch people's heads melt.

Muscle Tracer posted:

Kennel posted:

I wonder what kind of bizarre climate there would be around the Atlantic+Indian ocean if Africa was on the north pole like that.

Muscle Tracer posted:

A hosed up Mercator. I know people intellectually understand that projections are hosed but i particularly like this as an example of that because you can say "where's India?" and watch people's heads melt.

Kennel posted:

I wonder what kind of bizarre climate there would be around the Atlantic+Indian ocean if Africa was on the north pole like that.

PittTheElder posted:

This would be a cool rear end alt-history world. Something like a second Mediterranean in the Canadian Arctic Archipelago, with all the continents relatively accessible to each other.

E: I guess the Med, CAA, Caribbean and Indonesia et. al. all form their own little communities.

Kennel posted:

This gives me a headache.

Unkempt posted: