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teagone posted:I guess. I've really just had a bone to pick with the Russo Bros ever since they released a written statement with their signatures asking people to not spoil Endgame. That's admittedly more me just being weird though...probably. They were inspired by Hitchcock
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RBA Starblade posted:They were inspired by Hitchcock 
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Jul 8, 2021 14:15
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In retrospect, how would you even spoil the Avengers’ game-end? “Yeah they kill Thano in the first few minutes, and then it’s a time-travel comedy. A completely new villain just randomly zaps in from another universe and they kill him too.”
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Jul 8, 2021 16:07
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:In retrospect, how would you even spoil the Avengers’ game-end? "Also Iron Man dies"
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Jul 8, 2021 16:14
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That’s not a spoiler; that’s a selling point. Shoulda put it in the trailer.
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Jul 8, 2021 16:16
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:That’s not a spoiler; that’s a selling point. Shoulda put it in the trailer. lol
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Jul 8, 2021 16:27
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They definitely could have gone for the 'You can't afford to miss Tony's agonising death!' angle. A trailer for Star Trek III showed the original Enterprise blowing up to get nerds into the cinema.
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Jul 8, 2021 16:51
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One of the things I most respect Marvel for is CGI-ing trailers and shooting scenes never intended to be in the movie to produce completely fake footage to throw people off and mess with nerds. The trend of trailers showing all the best scenes and laying out the entire plot beat straightforwardly over 2 minutes is bad enough. But, combined with the fact that most major movies have 4-5 trailers nowadays, you will never be surprised in the theater. Mission Impossible 5's entire premise is that it is supposed to be a shocking betrayal out of nowhere regarding Henry Cavil's character and they show him fist fighting Tom Cruise in every single trailer.
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Jul 8, 2021 16:55
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Yeah but that scene was a misdirect because they work together after that. The twist comes later. And dang I loved cavil in that film
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Jul 8, 2021 16:57
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The trend of trailers showing all the best scenes and laying out the entire plot beat straightforwardly over 2 minutes is bad enough.
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Jul 8, 2021 17:00
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:In retrospect, how would you even spoil the Avengers’ game-end? I saw someone spoil the entire plot and thought it was a joke. Then youtube guy Dan Olson did a video about it and said a lot of the exact same stuff and I thought, oh poo poo
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Jul 8, 2021 17:04
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:One of the things I most respect Marvel for is CGI-ing trailers and shooting scenes never intended to be in the movie to produce completely fake footage to throw people off and mess with nerds. I actually somehow didn't know or else entirely forgot about this. What are some examples?
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Jul 8, 2021 17:38
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Reminds me of how FYAD was renamed HAN DIES for most of the first month that TFA was in theatres and I thought someone was having a laugh, cuz FYAD, until I was sitting in the theatre thinking "oh...OH"
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Jul 8, 2021 17:41
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Guy A. Person posted:I actually somehow didn't know or else entirely forgot about this. What are some examples? In Ragnarok's trailers: - They edit out Thor's missing eye. - They make it look like Loki is coming after Thor on the bridge in Asgard. - They showed footage of Odin and Hela in New York that they never intended to use. In the Infinity War trailers: - They CGI all the shots of Hulkbuster Armor to be the Hulk. - They edit the Gauntlet on Thanos' hand to show that he only has two gems during Wakanda, when he actually had them all. - They have several dead people show up in group shots. - They have several scenes that don't ever show up in the movie that include people who get dusted standing around in Wakanda. - They edit a lot of dialogue from different parts of the movie together. - They edit a lot of footage of Iron Man's nanomachine suit to look like regular clothes. - There's footage of Heimdal fighting in a forest somewhere (despite him dying 5 minutes into the movie on a spaceship). - Thanos has several voiceovers that were recorded for the trailer and don't appear in the movie. In the Endgame trailers: - They edit Cap's shield to not be broken during the fight with Thanos - Professor Hulk is edited out of several shots to make it look like it is just Rocket Raccoon in a lab. - They edited out backgrounds of New Asgard. - They showed Iron Man stranded in Space in edited him out of scenes on Earth. - Nebula's jackets and head plate are edited to different colors to make it look like the "evil" version is the normal one. - They edit Captain America's costume to be his battered Infinity War costume when he time travels back to 2012. - They edited Giant Man and Hulk out of shots that feature Rocket/War Machine/Giant Man/Hulk in the movie, Fat Thor is edited out of a lot of group shots and shown as normal Thor. - They edit in Mjolnir and a cape to obscure Thor's new costume and weapon. - They dyed RDJ's hair for scenes to obscure the time jump. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Jul 8, 2021 |
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Jul 8, 2021 18:09
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The Cameo posted:Marvel started releasing their movies first in Asia and Australia starting with Iron Man 2 because of how they figured the returns on Iron Man and Incredible Hulk being lower in those markets due to piracy, yeah. Other times, specifically after the Disney acquisition, they moved to as much of a simultaneous global release as possible, but I imagine thanks to COVID that sort of logistics is more complicated than ever, shipping and everything is all sorts of hosed up in a lot of places - so they just run the old staggered release since it’s an operable plan even in the current situation. It's not "Australia getting it first" - it came out in most of the world before Australia, it's just that the USA gets most big films last now.
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Jul 8, 2021 18:11
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Aces High posted:Reminds me of how FYAD was renamed HAN DIES for most of the first month that TFA was in theatres and I thought someone was having a laugh, cuz FYAD, until I was sitting in the theatre thinking "oh...OH" My favorite is still how someone leaked the entire plot and ending of Portal 2 in the thread a week before launch and nobody believed them and thought it was a joke post
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Jul 8, 2021 18:12
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RBA Starblade posted:They were inspired by Hitchcock Lol.
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Jul 8, 2021 18:23
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Recreating the Iron Man convoy ambush complete with zooming in on the missile only to have BFF Killmonger show up is hilarious https://i.imgur.com/fqCPJh8.mp4 Assepoester fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Jul 8, 2021 |
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Jul 8, 2021 18:24
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The United States posted:Recreating the Iron Man convoy ambush complete with zooming in on the missile only to have BFF Killmonger show up is hilarious "Killmonger" is explicitly written on his tag. The US military in the MCU is done pretending.
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Jul 8, 2021 21:18
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The United States posted:Recreating the Iron Man convoy ambush complete with zooming in on the missile only to have BFF Killmonger show up is hilarious Lmao, holy poo poo.
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Jul 8, 2021 21:22
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SuperTeeJay posted:They definitely could have gone for the 'You can't afford to miss Tony's agonising death!' angle. A trailer for Star Trek III showed the original Enterprise blowing up to get nerds into the cinema. They put the Enterprise's destruction in the trailer because Gene Roddenberry was furious with the original plan (destroy the Enterprise, move everyone over to the Excelsior) and leaked it to the fanzines, just as he leaked Spock's death in Star Trek II (which inspired Nick Meyer to have Spock "die" in the Kobayashi Maru test at the beginning of the film, to fake out the audience). Harve Bennett decided that the cat was already out of the bag, so, gently caress it, put the Enterprise's death in the trailer. Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:In Ragnarok's trailers: I think this was an actual editorial change; as filmed, Hela confronts Odin, Thor and Loki in New York, but in post-production Waititi decided to re-shoot the scene and have it take place in Norway, as he felt it was more grounded.
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Yeah, some of those things are definitely deleted or reshot sequences, and often VFX elements are just "not done yet" rather than "edited out". There's definitely some intentional fakeout stuff though, like changing Cap's 2012 costume or removing human actors from scenes. Movies have been doing this for a while, too. I remember Wall-E leaving the plant out of all the shots aboard the spaceship, so it's been happening for over a decade at this point. I wonder what the earliest examples of "this is in the movie, but we changed part of the shot to hide spoilers" are.
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Jul 8, 2021 22:54
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I remember the trailer shot in Predators (2010) where Adrien Brody has a bunch of Predator laster sights pointed on him, but in the actual movie it's just one.
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Jul 8, 2021 23:01
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So is the Black Widow "twist" people are talking about that Taskmasker is a lady?
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Jul 8, 2021 23:08
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I just want to be spoiled on how Taskmaster ends up in the movie. He's like the perfect candidate for recurring minor antagonist in the MCU and I'll be so disappointed if they fumbled that.
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Jul 8, 2021 23:16
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Robot Style posted:Movies have been doing this for a while, too. I remember Wall-E leaving the plant out of all the shots aboard the spaceship, so it's been happening for over a decade at this point. I wonder what the earliest examples of "this is in the movie, but we changed part of the shot to hide spoilers" are. Infamously, Alien 3's first trailer said "on Earth, everyone can hear you scream," despite the movie not taking place anywhere near Earth. But if you really want to go far back, the Bambi trailer depicts it as a heartwarming story about Bambi's childhood. Nowhere even hinted is the death of Bambi's mother. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLvX-erABqY
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Ror posted:I just want to be spoiled on how Taskmaster ends up in the movie. He's like the perfect candidate for recurring minor antagonist in the MCU and I'll be so disappointed if they fumbled that. The movie takes place ~6 years ago and I haven't seen him in the last half decade, have you?
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Ror posted:I just want to be spoiled on how Taskmaster ends up in the movie. He's like the perfect candidate for recurring minor antagonist in the MCU and I'll be so disappointed if they fumbled that. From what I gather from looking at twitter.... Taskmaster is another lady assassin, and then she gets beaten and deprogramed at the end of the film. Also the Black Widow post credit scene is: Julia Louis-Dreyfus showing up as the Contessa and recruiting Natasha's friend to "avenge her fallen friend" by sending her after Hawkeye - thus setting up the Hawkeye Disney+ show
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Jul 8, 2021 23:24
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Timby posted:Infamously, Alien 3's first trailer said "on Earth, everyone can hear you scream," despite the movie not taking place anywhere near Earth. But if you really want to go far back, the Bambi trailer depicts it as a heartwarming story about Bambi's childhood. Nowhere even hinted is the death of Bambi's mother. Trailers have always been slightly misleading about stuff, I'm talking about editing single elements within shots to hide stuff. The trailers for Return of the Jedi might be an example, which featured Luke using a blue lightsaber instead of green. The story I've always heard was that they had to change it to green because it wasn't visible against the blue sky, but it could also have been done to obfuscate the fact he built a new one, similar to what happened with Thor's weapon.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:In Ragnarok's trailers: drat, this is an thorough list! Thanks a ton. Going to check these out later. I expected stuff like "they edit part of a Thanos speech and play it over a shot to make it seem like he's talking about something else" but not "they put the Hulk in place of the Hulkbuster armor" which is a cool swerve
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Guy A. Person posted:drat, this is an thorough list! Thanks a ton. Going to check these out later. I expected stuff like "they edit part of a Thanos speech and play it over a shot to make it seem like he's talking about something else" but not "they put the Hulk in place of the Hulkbuster armor" which is a cool swerve The latter is another case of the Russo’s changing their minds, rather than something mocked up just for the trailers; originally, Hulk would have gotten over his fear of Thanos in the last act and merged his personalities into Professor Hulk in Infinity War, rather than between movies, but the Russos felt that the timing of the transformation stepped on the emotional beats of the rest of the battle, taking away from Thor’s entrance and Thanos’s reversal, so they axed it
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:The latter is another case of the Russo’s changing their minds, rather than something mocked up just for the trailers; originally, Hulk would have gotten over his fear of Thanos in the last act and merged his personalities into Professor Hulk in Infinity War, rather than between movies, but the Russos felt that the timing of the transformation stepped on the emotional beats of the rest of the battle, taking away from Thor’s entrance and Thanos’s reversal, so they axed it I remember the Russo brothers insisting that it wasn't that the Hulk was scared of Thanos, but that he wasn't coming out because he felt like Banner didn't respect him enough or something like that.
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Dammerung posted:I remember the Russo brothers insisting that it wasn't that the Hulk was scared of Thanos, but that he wasn't coming out because he felt like Banner didn't respect him enough or something like that. I will say that the Thanos/Hulk sequence is incredibly lame even by the MCU's own standards.
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Sodomy Hussein posted:I will say that the Thanos/Hulk sequence is incredibly lame even by the MCU's own standards. All they had to do was a classic fight move of Thanos rolling and tossing hulk through the spaceship hull and into outer space to drift for a while, but why even put a tiny amount of effort into anything
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CelticPredator posted:Once again though, it goes with how big of a deal endgame was. Like it was the end of an era. Kids have grown up during the time the MCU started. TFA was poo poo and that was ridiculous as well. Timby posted:Infamously, Alien 3's first trailer said "on Earth, everyone can hear you scream," despite the movie not taking place anywhere near Earth. But if you really want to go far back, the Bambi trailer depicts it as a heartwarming story about Bambi's childhood. Nowhere even hinted is the death of Bambi's mother. There's a good chance that's simply because that was the script they were working on at that point. 'tortured' really understates how bad the production of that movie was.
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teagone posted:I remember the trailer shot in Predators (2010) where Adrien Brody has a bunch of Predator laster sights pointed on him, but in the actual movie it's just one. That was a great trailer and a pretty good B movie, honestly. Completely stacked cast in retrospect too.
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Jul 9, 2021 02:01
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So, watched the last of the movies I'd checked out from the library, Shazam. That was good, clean fun.
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Jul 9, 2021 02:51
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I dunno if I would call it clean, it's framing of poor single moms ain't great
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Snowman_McK posted:TFA was poo poo and that was ridiculous as well. Fuckin whatever dude
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ookiimarukochan posted:It's not "Australia getting it first" - it came out in most of the world before Australia, it's just that the USA gets most big films last now. And it works because I imagine most Americans can't even conceive of not getting everything first.
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