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Samuel L. Hacksaw posted:Calling it now, CCP will announce an end to scarcity and introduce T2 caps and t2 faction ships (using the new industry reqs+t2 poo poo) to be the new standard in fleets. Actually leave EVE going and do a sequel so the idiots who want to be king of an anthill can stay in EVE original and beat their chests to empty crowds while anyone with sense goes on to better pastures.
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Speaking of their bad ads I've seen like a 10-fold increase in Eve ads on YouTube and such just in the last 2 weeks. I think they might know exactly how bad it is and are just hiding it.
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Jul 8, 2021 02:23
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I’ve been trying to buy a new character and the bazaar is just dead. It used to be pretty active but not right now.
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Jul 8, 2021 03:27
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There is no way that EVE Online 2 wouldn't turn into "Microtransaction Boogaloo." Their new Korean overlords wouldn't allow them the autonomy to "reinvent" EVE without making sure they couldn't profit off the ground floor. CCP already tried branching out with their IP and it didn't work. They're a company that has a good idea every so often then gets convinced *all* of their ideas are brilliant and misunderstood.
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Jul 8, 2021 03:35
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EVE was pretty cutting edge with forcing monetization on their game at the time. Taking over the gold-selling for themselves was unique and aggressive and pretty dang predatory by the contemporary standards. They just haven't kept up with the state of the whale-hunting, blood-squeezing art of monetization since then.
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Jul 8, 2021 03:40
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I think its kind of silly that everyone uses drones by default for PVE because its just so much better than any other weapon system due to drones attacking anything that aggros you. I know toilet EVE sucks but one thing I liked was how they balanced drones versus other weapons. Once your guns blow up an NPC, they would automatically switch to another NPC you had locked and keep shooting. You still had to manually fire on players though. They really should apply that to real EVE since it would balance out other weapon systems. Like as long as you keep locking NPCs, your guns will keep shooting and reloading. It would make ratting with other weapon systems far more bearable. Like seriously people are gonna be like 'my whatever is great' and that's cool and all but having to manually turn on guns every time sucks and its why the vast majority of people are using drone ships for PVE. I don't think drones should be nerfed and the idea of removing drone aggro is not fun so lets just embrace auto firing weapon systems. That way we would get more than drone ships in space as targets.
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Jul 8, 2021 04:50
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dialhforhero posted:Actually leave EVE going and do a sequel so the idiots who want to be king of an anthill can stay in EVE original and beat their chests to empty crowds while anyone with sense goes on to better pastures. Because CCP has such a great track record of cranking out a second game... I often wonder what Eve would look like today if they'd spent all that development money on it instead of all the failed games they've tried.
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Jul 8, 2021 05:23
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Zazz Razzamatazz posted:Because CCP has such a great track record of cranking out a second game... Probably the same dumpster fire with more monetization options.
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Jul 8, 2021 07:39
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Stealthgerbil posted:I think its kind of silly that everyone uses drones by default for PVE because its just so much better than any other weapon system due to drones attacking anything that aggros you. I know toilet EVE sucks but one thing I liked was how they balanced drones versus other weapons. Once your guns blow up an NPC, they would automatically switch to another NPC you had locked and keep shooting. You still had to manually fire on players though. They really should apply that to real EVE since it would balance out other weapon systems. Like as long as you keep locking NPCs, your guns will keep shooting and reloading. It would make ratting with other weapon systems far more bearable. Like seriously people are gonna be like 'my whatever is great' and that's cool and all but having to manually turn on guns every time sucks and its why the vast majority of people are using drone ships for PVE. I don't think drones should be nerfed and the idea of removing drone aggro is not fun so lets just embrace auto firing weapon systems. That way we would get more than drone ships in space as targets. *edit: my bad, replied before reading the whole post.
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Jul 8, 2021 15:44
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I kinda wish less ships had drone bays.
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Jul 8, 2021 16:37
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I know it is a favorite pastime for Eve players to poo poo on CCP because, well, CCP. That said, is there an MMO of which people say, "drat! These guys get it." Is it actually possible to run an MMO well or is it simply varying degrees of running an MMO poorly? And by "well" I mean common things like balanced gameplay, engaging content, frequent updates, pretty graphics, etc.
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Jul 8, 2021 16:50
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MrTargetPractice posted:I kinda wish less ships had drone bays. *fewer (sorry, habit) Small drone bays aren't bad. 25m3 (or smaller; weird falcon bay) lets you field a flight of lights, which are good against pesky frigates and small rats. Won't help you against cruisers and up, though. It's when you get bays bigger than that, however, that it becomes a viable secondary/primary weapon system as opposed to a defensive screen.
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Jul 8, 2021 17:25
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Agrikk posted:I know it is a favorite pastime for Eve players to poo poo on CCP because, well, CCP. That said, is there an MMO of which people say, "drat! These guys get it." Is it actually possible to run an MMO well or is it simply varying degrees of running an MMO poorly? Club Penguin
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Jul 8, 2021 17:55
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Agrikk posted:I know it is a favorite pastime for Eve players to poo poo on CCP because, well, CCP. That said, is there an MMO of which people say, "drat! These guys get it." I don't think so. The problem is that your interests and the interests of MMO publisher aren't at all in line, and the devs are trapped between those two. The ideal MMO player from the POV of the publisher spends infinity money, maintains interest in the game indefinitely, and only plays the game in a manner and amount that serves to entertain the other people who play the game. Not only are players' interests nothing like that, players' interests may not be feasible or even possible. They may want goals to work towards stretching off into infinity forever, or want to gank but not run the risk of being ganked, the feeling of a dangerous galaxy without any actual risk of loss, etc. Even if you and none of your friends want something impossible, the general consensus of players is going to include lots of people who do. So there's always an extra layer of discontent from people wanting things out of MMOs that are impossible. This is kinda true of all games, but it's especially true of MMOs, where players are pressed up hard against the basic limitations of "Where's more stuff to do?" and "Why are you asking me for more money?"
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Jul 8, 2021 18:08
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Who wants to bet their DAU count is based on logging in claiming rewards and logging out
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Jul 8, 2021 18:09
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Agrikk posted:I know it is a favorite pastime for Eve players to poo poo on CCP because, well, CCP. That said, is there an MMO of which people say, "drat! These guys get it." Is it actually possible to run an MMO well or is it simply varying degrees of running an MMO poorly? They just make some of the dumbest decisions for some stupid reason.
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Jul 8, 2021 18:19
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OAquinas posted:*fewer Drones suck and this prevalence of small bays for a flight of lights is a holdover from a low effort balance pass. It means there are just enough EC-300s around to ruin what might be an interesting fight, but not enough to really be meaningful otherwise. Drones really should just be removed from every combat ship that doesn't get a drone bonus. Then for the drone ships that are left, give them the UI they deserve in 2021 and make them work like mini fighters. Obviously that makes a bunch of tedious PvE like null anoms even worse than they already were, but again, fix that forwards. Abyssals were supposed to be a trial run of new AI and new PvE content which is more engaging, takes more attention and is worthwhile for it. Just follow up on that by updating the null anoms along the same lines - make them more dynamic and more dependant on positioning, and make them pay out enough to make that attention worthwhile. FAT32 SHAMER posted:Who wants to bet their DAU count is based on logging in claiming rewards and logging out Well, it is, though they can filter it as well to only count people who undock and do stuff. I'm actually surprised they didn't just pass it off by saying they've done a massive ban wave on bots, that wouldn't look much different on the graph and there wouldn't be any reason to complain really.
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Jul 8, 2021 19:00
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I'd argue that the better solution is remove the EC300s or nerf them into the ground. Use medium drones or heavies if you want drone-based ECM. Light drones fill in a tactical niche for PvE and PvP (though screening fast tackle/escort is loads better for this, it at least provides an option). Hell, maybe even nerf the combat drones a bit (and buff the ship bonuses to balance) to make the utility drones actually attractive as opposed to utterly inferior to shooty ones.
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Jul 8, 2021 19:14
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I know what you mean about ubiquitous drones being sloppy balance-work, but there's something to be said for "immersion", and Eve-sized ships are big enough to have parasite-craft. What would make it interesting is if Eve had true point-defense systems. Maybe utility high-slot modules that wreck drones within a few km. I wonder if that's what smart bombs were meant to be, but "damages everything in a sphere" is kind of lazy design. Make medium and heavy drones scary if you're a cruiser or battlecruiser, but have light drones that kill other drones. So now maybe your cruiser with its 25m3 bay wants to carry counter-drones instead of EC-300s. Play-counterplay, etc.
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Jul 8, 2021 19:39
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OAquinas posted:I'd argue that the better solution is remove the EC300s or nerf them into the ground. Use medium drones or heavies if you want drone-based ECM. Light drones fill in a tactical niche for PvE and PvP (though screening fast tackle/escort is loads better for this, it at least provides an option). I was training an alt and needed EC-300's and realized I had completely forgotten about the other drones unlocked with that skill. I don't think I've ever used or even seen any of those used except for the ECM and Webbing drones. Would tracking disruption drones or sensor damp drones help in Muninn's Online maybe? Or are their bonuses just poo poo?
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Jul 8, 2021 19:43
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Their bonuses are poo poo. #askme about the time in my early industry career when I made a bunch of them because none were on the market. It might be interesting if they buffed them a bit, but then made drones vulnerable to other things. I dunno, FoF missiles could auto-target hostile drones and one-shot them or something.
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Jul 8, 2021 19:46
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FAT32 SHAMER posted:Who wants to bet their DAU count is based on logging in claiming rewards and logging out No bet. That's exactly what it is.
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Scikar posted:Obviously that makes a bunch of tedious PvE like null anoms even worse than they already were, but again, fix that forwards. Abyssals were supposed to be a trial run of new AI and new PvE content which is more engaging, takes more attention and is worthwhile for it. Just follow up on that by updating the null anoms along the same lines - make them more dynamic and more dependant on positioning, and make them pay out enough to make that attention worthwhile.
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Jul 8, 2021 20:11
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Jul 8, 2021 20:22
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Agrikk posted:I know it is a favorite pastime for Eve players to poo poo on CCP because, well, CCP. That said, is there an MMO of which people say, "drat! These guys get it." Is it actually possible to run an MMO well or is it simply varying degrees of running an MMO poorly? Yeah they're doing WoW classic. TBC has been out a month now.
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Jul 8, 2021 20:38
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Scikar posted:Drones suck and this prevalence of small bays for a flight of lights is a holdover from a low effort balance pass. It means there are just enough EC-300s around to ruin what might be an interesting fight, but not enough to really be meaningful otherwise. Drones really should just be removed from every combat ship that doesn't get a drone bonus. Then for the drone ships that are left, give them the UI they deserve in 2021 and make them work like mini fighters. OAquinas posted:I'd argue that the better solution is remove the EC300s or nerf them into the ground. Use medium drones or heavies if you want drone-based ECM. Light drones fill in a tactical niche for PvE and PvP (though screening fast tackle/escort is loads better for this, it at least provides an option). Over the years, I've seen a lot of "nerf this" and "nerf that" and "this shouldn't be that" and to be honest none of the things people say would actually fix anything.
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Jul 8, 2021 20:53
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Dalael posted:Over the years, I've seen a lot of "nerf this" and "nerf that" and "this shouldn't be that" and to be honest none of the things people say would actually fix anything. It would be An Attempt though. I'd rather see CCP throw poo poo against the wall on Singularity than just....do nothing except offer monetized skill packs.
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Jul 8, 2021 21:18
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OAquinas posted:It would be An Attempt though. I'd rather see CCP throw poo poo against the wall on Singularity than just....do nothing except offer monetized skill packs. I feel like throwing poo poo at the walls is what they've been doing all these years tho. They've never had a clear path and every time they had a semblance of a plan, they didn't really follow through and changed direction. There was a point when  was independant where they had the ability to do something and improve the game, but they wasted so much money and time on other games that never even took off (or barely did) instead. Now that they're under a new overlord that wants to microtransaction the gently caress of all its games, i do not foresee EVE improving. It will be harder and harder to justify spending development time on an idea that doesn't directly bring in money.
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Otacon posted:I was training an alt and needed EC-300's and realized I had completely forgotten about the other drones unlocked with that skill. I don't think I've ever used or even seen any of those used except for the ECM and Webbing drones. The EC and neut drones are the only ones that don't suffer from stacking penalties I think. The neut ones don't do much on their own but they can keep a tackle frigate out of cap if you have a medium neut to drop them initially. The web drones I've heard people using occasionally, but I think that's just because if you're the same speed as somebody and getting kited, web drones will do just enough to let you catch up. Using them in groups isn't going to do anything with the stacking penalties though. And if everyone did have tracking disruptors, Muninns would probably be hurt less because they're tracking bonused. Erulisse posted:Please no more instances I don't think anyone is suggesting for them to be instanced. In fact, once this PvE rework finally starts rolling out they should remove the current filaments, or at least bring the suspect timer back.
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Jul 8, 2021 21:43
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Agrikk posted:I know it is a favorite pastime for Eve players to poo poo on CCP because, well, CCP. That said, is there an MMO of which people say, "drat! These guys get it." Is it actually possible to run an MMO well or is it simply varying degrees of running an MMO poorly? Ultima Online before EA hosed it up with the Trammel bullshit.
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Jul 9, 2021 05:39
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yoloer420 posted:Ultima Online before EA hosed it up with the Trammel bullshit. Absolutely not. Trammel was in response to how much people thought ganking and griefing were bullshit. That was not a period where UO players were saying, "Wow, this is a well-designed game with no problems!"
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Jul 9, 2021 05:56
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I just want to say its amazing that goons still exist really. A war started a year ago and goons still out form the enemy??? Papi blued nearly everyone and still get out formed??? sheesh
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Jul 9, 2021 06:31
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if I lead a holy crusade against the goon and was at this point idk i'd probably kms
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So I've not kept up with Eve in a long time, but I've been sort of following this war and reading this thread lately. One thing that I kind of noticed via side chatter is discussion that CCP have destroyed ratting and removed asteroids in null? What? Since I was never a hardcore Eve player who spent huge amounts of time online, and could only rarely join fleets, Eve was more of a casual thing to do to chill while simultaneously doing something else, and eventually in deep goon-space, I made a substantial amount of isk (for my day and by my own measure anyway) ratting, first with a Raven, then a Rattlesnake, and then eventually some sort of drone ship (Gila?) that was pretty good at it after I finally got my skills trained up. Is that sort of gameplay not even possible anymore, or did they just make it so it's pointless and there's no money, or what? I would also try to participate in the occasional big asteroid mining ops, usually by flying a freighter hauling minerals from people so they could just stay in the belts. That was really kind of a fun group activity that also served as an excellent way for newbies to participate in something other than big battles that would bring them isk, as the wealthy squad members would gather all the minerals and then distribute the money earned back to the newbies based on their time participation, not on how much they could actually mine with their terrible skills, while the 'older' players would run their dedicated mining ships and effectively give away most of their profit to the newbies. Stuff like that was chill and fun, and it sucks if there are no asteroid belts anymore for that sort of activity.
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One thing I used to enjoy was lazy officer hunting in the W-4 constellation belts. I'd groom the belts and let newbies swoop in and loot/salvage my non-faction/officer wrecks. They'd get free money, I'd get clean belts and good eyes. Whenever I'd hit a hauler spawn I'd grab as much as I could and let them take what was left, or put out a notice that there were free minerals at 'x' for the taking. Eventually I had to log out, and left the constellation well-tailored. Only ever nabbed mid-grade officers (this was back when they weren't harder to kill) but it was mindless and since I was using a maxed out Ishtar with sentries, it was "free" save for my time. It wouldn't surprise me if the nerf to finding officers is a prelude to some monetization track. I always thought officer spawns should've been an ultra-rare escalation of anomalies. You could go hit them up yourself or sell the bookmark to someone who would.
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Cease to Hope posted:That was not a period where UO players were saying, "Wow, this is a well-designed game with no problems!" I was saying that 
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BIG HEADLINE posted:There is no way that EVE Online 2 wouldn't turn into "Microtransaction Boogaloo." Eve 2.0 is already here. Look no further than EVE Echoes. Your micro-transaction paradise.
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Jul 9, 2021 10:37
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the reddits are saying there's cracks forming in papi c/d?
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Foehammer007 posted:if I lead a holy crusade against the goon and was at this point idk The papis that are still logging in to this day have transcended shame and self-awareness to such an extent that I almost respect it
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Hexel posted:the reddits are saying there's cracks forming in papi c/d? I assumed this was more goon propaganda, because goons are the best at that.
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