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The Voice of Labor posted:so in 10 years when the boomer die out, generation x comes to full political power and burns whatever is left of the world for 40 years. then millennials get their turn then socialism is o.k. in 'merica? posting about generations in the marxism thread lol
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# ? Jul 8, 2021 02:40 |
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# ? May 30, 2024 13:15 |
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Maybe once all of congress is a Kirsten Sinema we'll finally have a revolution out of sheer annoyance
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# ? Jul 8, 2021 03:02 |
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I hope and pray this doesn’t happen but it would be very funny if she fell into the Grand Canyon multiple times like Homer
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# ? Jul 8, 2021 03:15 |
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indigi posted:I hope and pray this doesn’t happen but it would be very funny if she fell into the Grand Canyon multiple times like Homer not me
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# ? Jul 8, 2021 05:35 |
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there was a time when lots of americans were socialists as a canadian it pains me to say good things about americas, but its true
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# ? Jul 8, 2021 05:44 |
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Maybe once all of congress is a Kirsten Sinema we'll finally have a revolution out of sheer annoyance all of congress is kirsten sinema ie for show
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# ? Jul 8, 2021 06:42 |
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https://twitter.com/Irkutyanin1/status/1412764268647354371?s=20
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# ? Jul 8, 2021 14:31 |
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What is the deal with the relative and equivalent forms in chapter 1 of Capital? My understanding is that if you're trading your coat for 20 units of linen then the coat is seen in the relative form, because it's being related to the linen and the linen is in the equivalent form because it's being made equivalent to the coat. And I guess if you're the person trading the linen for the coat the exact opposite applies. But why bother distinguishing between the relative and equivalent form? How does this add to the analysis?
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# ? Jul 8, 2021 17:55 |
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got this ad for anticommunist/antisocialist children’s books on Duolingo lol
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# ? Jul 8, 2021 18:17 |
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Red and Black posted:What is the deal with the relative and equivalent forms in chapter 1 of Capital? there's one footnote which clears up a lot of confusion in the first chapter: specifically, when marx writes an equal sign, he doesn't really mean "equals", he means "is worth" or "trades for" so there's actually an important difference between 20 yards of linen = 1 wool coat and 1 wool coat = 20 yards of linen; in each statement, the second thing is used to measure the worth of the first thing. after a little while he'll replace the linen with gold and show you how currency came about
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# ? Jul 8, 2021 18:25 |
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Ferrinus posted:there's one footnote which clears up a lot of confusion in the first chapter: specifically, when marx writes an equal sign, he doesn't really mean "equals", he means "is worth" or "trades for" So is this just Marx's way of describing the thought process of exchange prior to the emergence of money?
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# ? Jul 8, 2021 18:56 |
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Red and Black posted:So is this just Marx's way of describing the thought process of exchange prior to the emergence of money? Right, it's just describing the logic of trade at the level of commodity producers. Given Marx's disdain for bourgeois economists of his day using Robinson Crusoe to describe what "natural" tribal economies were actually like, it's probably fair to assume he's not actually arguing this is what trade was like before metal currency was introduced. But the equivalent form is important for when he brings money into the argument because of its function as a universal equivalent that can be exchanged for all commodities.
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# ? Jul 8, 2021 19:04 |
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I’m not going to lie. that sounds like the most boring poo poo ever
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# ? Jul 8, 2021 19:09 |
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indigi posted:
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# ? Jul 8, 2021 19:13 |
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indigi posted:I’m not going to lie. that sounds like the most boring poo poo ever lol
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# ? Jul 8, 2021 20:25 |
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indigi posted:I’m not going to lie. that sounds like the most boring poo poo ever
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# ? Jul 8, 2021 20:31 |
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Where's the lie tho.
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# ? Jul 8, 2021 20:33 |
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MeatwadIsGod posted:Right, it's just describing the logic of trade at the level of commodity producers. Given Marx's disdain for bourgeois economists of his day using Robinson Crusoe to describe what "natural" tribal economies were actually like, it's probably fair to assume he's not actually arguing this is what trade was like before metal currency was introduced. But the equivalent form is important for when he brings money into the argument because of its function as a universal equivalent that can be exchanged for all commodities. yeah, he's not actually gesturing to a hypothetical past but in fact to the present day, pointing out that if you CAN trade 20 yards of linen for 1 wool coat, and you can also trade 2lbs coffee for either of those things, then A) the thing you're trading FOR plays a different role to you, the trader, than the thing you're trading AWAY and B) there must be some underlying quality that you're actually using to evaluate what trades for what, because coffee and wool certainly don't have commensurable utility
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# ? Jul 8, 2021 20:36 |
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Where's the lie tho. the lie is in that this stuff actually owns
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# ? Jul 8, 2021 20:37 |
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many things that own are also super boring
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# ? Jul 8, 2021 20:48 |
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indigi posted:I’m not going to lie. that sounds like the most boring poo poo ever if you dont want to hear marx talk about coats or whatever just read this instead https://www.marxists.org/subject/economy/authors/pe/index.htm its 70% right and 30% meh
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# ? Jul 8, 2021 22:15 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcpPLxRb0xE
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# ? Jul 9, 2021 10:48 |
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i've run out of excuses and it's time to actually read more theory instead of my preferred "osmosis" method gonna finish up this list gradenko_2000 posted last year quote:"Contradictions of Capitalism: An Introduction to Marxist Economics" by Lenny Flank is a great introduction to Marxist economics. It's a little critical of the Soviet Union/Marxism-Leninism at the very end, but the first three-quarters of the book is excellent as far as the sort of thing that you might get from Das Kapital in a much more digestible form. probably gonna skip the bernie one but any other bangers i should be reading?
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# ? Jul 9, 2021 11:10 |
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consider this a strong recommendation for Ernest Mandel's "Formation of the Economic Thought of Karl Marx", which goes through Marx's works in chronological order, goes deep into how they relate to each other, how Marx's views evolved and changed in the lead-up to Capital, and even spends some time throwing stones at other economists/theorists that misuse Marx or attempt to disprove him, only to fall short because they're only considering a narrow body of his work or didn't interpret it correctly, deliberately or otherwise
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# ? Jul 9, 2021 12:19 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:consider this a strong recommendation for Ernest Mandel's "Formation of the Economic Thought of Karl Marx", which goes through Marx's works in chronological order, goes deep into how they relate to each other, how Marx's views evolved and changed in the lead-up to Capital, and even spends some time throwing stones at other economists/theorists that misuse Marx or attempt to disprove him, only to fall short because they're only considering a narrow body of his work or didn't interpret it correctly, deliberately or otherwise why would i take a recommendation from some random weirdo like you i'll consider adding it to the list
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# ? Jul 9, 2021 12:38 |
does anyone know the name of that wallace shawn essay about seeing the world through a dialectical materialist lens for a week? the guy who played the t. rex in toy story i mean.
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# ? Jul 9, 2021 12:55 |
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comedyblissoption posted:somewhere theres a preschool where kids use tokens to rent non-communal toys and playground equipment
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# ? Jul 9, 2021 13:46 |
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# ? Jul 9, 2021 13:57 |
exmarx posted:does anyone know the name of that wallace shawn essay about seeing the world through a dialectical materialist lens for a week? the guy who played the t. rex in toy story i mean. an excerpt from his play, The Fever. I just read it in full and it's very good. Wallace Shawn posted:The life I live is irredeemably corrupt. It has no justification. I keep thinking that there's this justification that I've written down somewhere, on some little piece of paper, but that it's sitting in the drawer of some desk in some room in some place I used to live. But in fact I'll never find that little piece of paper, because there isn't one, it doesn't exist. e-dt has issued a correction as of 15:18 on Jul 9, 2021 |
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# ? Jul 9, 2021 14:15 |
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Raine posted:i've run out of excuses and it's time to actually read more theory instead of my preferred "osmosis" method If you haven't read it yet, I cannot recommend Blackshirts and Reds enough. It's a real page-turner, easily one of the best nonfiction books I've ever read; while it doesn't delve too deeply into any of them, it nonetheless covers theory, history, and media literacy, and makes it all very interesting. eta: A warning, it will likely make you angry, but in a very good way. Falstaff has issued a correction as of 14:45 on Jul 9, 2021 |
# ? Jul 9, 2021 14:43 |
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late victorian holocausts and liberalism: a counter-history are both very good
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# ? Jul 9, 2021 14:49 |
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Falstaff posted:If you haven't read it yet, I cannot recommend Blackshirts and Reds enough. It's a real page-turner, easily one of the best nonfiction books I've ever read; while it doesn't delve too deeply into any of them, it nonetheless covers theory, history, and media literacy, and makes it all very interesting. I'm about done with this and I think it's the best book I've read to throw at a liberal and say look! look what your dumbass ideology really is! it's very accessible and written for a wide audience and for that alone it's a very valuable work
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# ? Jul 9, 2021 15:06 |
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one I don’t see recommended often enough is Karl Polanyi’s The Great Transformation, basically the first great work of economic anthropology - how humans had to change their thinking so that a modern capitalist state and the free market economy could work
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# ? Jul 9, 2021 16:53 |
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my bony fealty posted:I'm about done with this and I think it's the best book I've read to throw at a liberal and say look! look what your dumbass ideology really is! It really is an excellent book. I made the mistake of going from that to reading Bad Samaritans, which isn't... bad, exactly, but it really suffered from the comparison. Like, here's an excerpt from B&R's chapter on media literacy that immediately brought to mind the way a number of poster superstars in a particular forum tend to take in media. Learning to Ask Why posted:When we think without Marx's perspective, that is, without considering class interests and class power, we seldom ask why certain things happen. Many things are reported in the news but few are explained. Little is said about how the social order is organized and whose interests prevail. Devoid of a framework that explains why things happen, we are left to see the world as do mainstream media pundits: as a flow of events, a scatter of particular developments and personalities unrelated to a larger set of social relations - propelled by happenstance, circumstance, confused intentions, and individual ambition, never by powerful class interests - and yet producing effects that serve such interests with impressive regularity. I've considered looking for a way to post that to the media illiteracy thread in D&D a couple times, where it absolutely belongs, but I suspect it wouldn't be worth it so I never bother.
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# ? Jul 9, 2021 16:53 |
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i never read parenti before but a friend lent me democracy for the few recently and it's drat good...I should read more of his stuff
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# ? Jul 9, 2021 17:07 |
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I've read three of Parenti's books and all of them were absolute bangers. I feel pretty confident in saying all of them are good.
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# ? Jul 9, 2021 17:16 |
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You can read inventing reality instead of manufacturing consent and have a much better time
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# ? Jul 9, 2021 17:26 |
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Falstaff posted:I've considered looking for a way to post that to the media illiteracy thread in D&D a couple times, where it absolutely belongs, but I suspect it wouldn't be worth it so I never bother. Do it. The worst that can happen is you create excellent content for the succ zone. This is a great quote, and I'm putting this book on my reading list.
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# ? Jul 9, 2021 17:54 |
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Falstaff posted:It really is an excellent book. I made the mistake of going from that to reading Bad Samaritans, which isn't... bad, exactly, but it really suffered from the comparison. Interforum drama, user is on probation for 1 day. Next is a ban + 30.
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# ? Jul 9, 2021 18:19 |
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Junkozeyne posted:You can read inventing reality instead of manufacturing consent and have a much better time I've already read Manufacturing Consent back in my undergrad days, but in recent years I've been trying to track down a dead tree copy of Inventing Reality to expand on my understanding. Unfortunately, it's a tough book to find at a reasonable price. (I have a pdf copy but I have a tough time reading pdfs, and while I could manage with an epub I can't find one of those either.) Alas!
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