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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:There isn't anything real new and shiny coming out for at least a few more months. You can wait. I do hope we get more cards with 12 gigs of vram and a 256 bit memory bus, I just can't justify spending the money on a 3080 or 6800 tbh and you have to compromise on one depending on if you go with a 3060 ti or 6700 xt right now
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OK baizuo posted:I do hope we get more cards with 12 gigs of vram and a 256 bit memory bus, I just can't justify spending the money on a 3080 or 6800 tbh and you have to compromise on one depending on if you go with a 3060 ti or 6700 xt right now That is not happening unless someone starts producing those odd x times 1.5Gbit vram modules. It's either 8 or 16GB. sauer kraut fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Jul 8, 2021 |
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OK baizuo posted:cards with 12 gigs of vram and a 256 bit memory bus
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Fair enough, I guess I meant 256 bit bus with 16 gigs of memory then
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hemorrhage posted:I've been following this thread for a while, trying to get a new card. Yesterday I was finally able to order one from B&H. Still showing in stock if anyone wants a 3090. You can also buy some absurdly priced AMD cards from B&H: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/products/Graphic-Cards/ci/6567?filters=fct_a_filter_by%3A03_INSTOCK While the prices are bad at least stuff is coming back in stock.
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mysteryberto posted:You can also buy some absurdly priced AMD cards from B&H: It's hard to be happy about stuff "coming back in stock" when it's literally more than ebay prices.  A TON of brand new 6700 XT reference cards are on ebay for similar prices by the way. Not sure where those are coming from. With stores like B&H Photo, I imagine that cards aren't coming back in stock at higher numbers than before, but they're simply raising the prices to unacceptable levels and people aren't buying them.
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Besides not having a video out, are Nvidia CMP cards hobbled in any other ways? Theoretically when they're usless for mining and cheap, could they be used for virtual machine remote gaming?
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they're hobbled in software too i think, i don't think geforce will install with them as is? i remember they needed to get fucky drivers to get it going in the last mining craze.
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You can now find 3080s for a modest two thousand canadian beaverbucks on eBay now. Hallefuckinglujah.
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3080s are 1000 on UK ebay too. Getting there...
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Glad I do a bunch of CAD for work so I can just talk myself into like an A4000 and an Accelero cooler 
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Maybe FSR will help give us a little juice in the tank in our standoff against the retailers.
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KinkyJohn posted:Maybe FSR will help give us a little juice in the tank in our standoff against the retailers. Legit question, how long do people expect this game of chicken go on for? Are we basically waiting for the retailers to realize they cant move cards until they go to MSRP and decide to eat the loss, or is there more to it?
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I don't think it's collective action, it's people saying to themselves, "I want to upgrade my poo poo, or play new games at good frame rates, unfortunately it is difficult to justify paying historically high prices. Perhaps this new technology will allow me to wait."
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Triikan posted:Besides not having a video out, are Nvidia CMP cards hobbled in any other ways? Theoretically when they're usless for mining and cheap, could they be used for virtual machine remote gaming? Or at least like, cheap machine learning stuff?
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KinkyJohn posted:Maybe FSR will help give us a little juice in the tank in our standoff against the retailers. FSR really needs to be turned on for WAY more games if it's going to do that. Right now either it's on a game that nobody is playing, or it's on a game that's so easy to run that it doesn't matter. "AMD announces FSR to be added to World of Warcraft Classic and Europa Universalis III"
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gradenko_2000 posted:FSR really needs to be turned on for WAY more games if it's going to do that. Right now either it's on a game that nobody is playing, or it's on a game that's so easy to run that it doesn't matter. Well it’s “open source” and doesn’t require a specific card(s) that very few people have so I could see it becoming adopted pretty quickly.
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NewFatMike posted:Glad I do a bunch of CAD for work so I can just talk myself into like an A4000 and an Accelero cooler I just looked into these, they're basically a 3070ti at 140w and single slot yeah? I wonder how they perform compared to a full power card. At MSRP they're around what you'd be paying for a 3070ti anyway here 
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MarcusSA posted:Well it’s “open source” and doesn’t require a specific card(s) that very few people have so I could see it becoming adopted pretty quickly. I just hope they call up Epic and offer them a billion dollars or whatever to poach UE4/5's temporal upscaling algo and open source that as FSR 2.0.
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The nice thing about Unreal is the source is publicly readable, it's not Open Source but anyone can peek under the hood and borrow their ideas for their own implemenation Everyone copying TSR would just be history repeating itself, as Epic came up with most of the popular TAA heuristics for UE4 which were widely copied
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Supply is definitely getting better, after 4 months of trying I got a reference 6700 XT for MSRP from amd direct. Well "got" in the theoretical future tense at least, it hasn't arrived yet but i've got a charge on my card for $515. Their website is still a dumpster fire but if you use the add to cart fix script and pay attention to stock trackers on thursday mornings you can probably score. This morning all the CPUs but the 5900x were listed as in-stock, so the CPU shortage is basically over. I got my card at 10:23am EST, a full 8 minutes after the 10:15am drop, and a few people scored after me. Had I been faster on the draw I could have picked up a 6800 xt midnight black and I'll try for that next week. https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/o23jgh/amd_direct_buying_guide_how_to_actually_get_a_gpu/ Double check me here, but threadripper 2920x: 180w Sapphire nitro+ RX 580: 240w Reference RX6700 xt: 220w so absolute worst case if I'm running furmark on both cards + prime95 is 640 watts, and I have a NZXT C850 power supply. From the wall I'm measuring 400-450w running 3dmark timespy on the RX 580 which seems to match up. I shouldn't need to upgrade this PSU, right? (Less than 6 months old, my "silent" EVGA kept ramping the fan up and down so I retired it) Harik fucked around with this message at 13:49 on Jul 9, 2021 |
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Been on the wait list for a step up 3080 since October (which I'm not complaining about, I knew I was getting into a long wait) but the card I'll be recieving has been changed to a LHR model. Are they telling the truth that the only difference is that it's worse at crypto (which is fine by me) and also what would motivate them to kneecap these new cards if their #1 priority is to like, sell cards full stop? Can't imagine it's out of the goodness of their hearts for gamers.
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Rookoo posted:Been on the wait list for a step up 3080 since October (which I'm not complaining about, I knew I was getting into a long wait) but the card I'll be recieving has been changed to a LHR model. They make a line of cards specifically for miners in which Nvidia have a higher profit margin on.
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it might impact resale value a little but who knows, could be totally irrelevant by the time you sell up.
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Rookoo posted:Been on the wait list for a step up 3080 since October (which I'm not complaining about, I knew I was getting into a long wait) but the card I'll be recieving has been changed to a LHR model. they're doing it so when the inevitible crypto crash hits, the mining cards go to e-waste, not ebay. stops them from competing with new consumer gpus.
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Has anyone explored what you can use those mining cards for besides mining? Do they work with offline renderers like Octane/Redshift?
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The old mining cards - repurposed 1050s (or was it 1060s?), needed a lot of elbow-grease to get working: you'd have to use a hacked driver to force Windows to emulate a laptop doing display pass-through, so that the output of the mining card would go through the motherboard's display port (as though you were using an integrated GPU). And I think this only worked if you actually had a CPU with an iGPU. This meant you couldn't play with any online games with a cheat detector because your driver would be unsigned. And NVidia stopped upgrading the drivers for those cards anyway, so they're not likely to work with today's games even if you get it to work ___ I don't know if there's any possibility of using them via VM, but in any case, there's very little utility to try, because the mining cards are going to be more expensive than the equivalent gaming/LHR card. By the time any kind of mining crash makes these things hit the used market, it'd already have also likely caused enough regular-rear end gaming cards to be sold off that you'd almost assuredly be better off getting one of those (or a brand-new card, assuming a drop in retail price to respond to the second-hand market getting some kind of glut). Rookoo posted:Are they telling the truth that the only difference is that it's worse at crypto (which is fine by me) and also what would motivate them to kneecap these new cards if their #1 priority is to like, sell cards full stop? Can't imagine it's out of the goodness of their hearts for gamers. The 3080Ti and 3070Ti cards, which are LHR, but are not explicitly branded as LHR because there was no "non-LHR" versions of these cards that needed distinguishing from, performed exactly as they were expected, gaming and productivity-wise. Mind you, the LHR cards are (AFAIK) not even "worse at crypto" - they're only worse at Ethereum mining specifically. This is because bitcoin is only ever mined nowadays with ASICs, and there are no "altcoins" out there that are valuable enough to be worth mining over besides Ethereum.
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Rookoo posted:Been on the wait list for a step up 3080 since October (which I'm not complaining about, I knew I was getting into a long wait) but the card I'll be recieving has been changed to a LHR model. Nvidia also wants game developers to implement their fancy (exclusive) features, and doesn't want their reputation dragged through the mud due to the shortage. Doubly so since Intel is gearing up to launch their own higher end dGPUs targeted at gaming and general purpose GPU work. The miners have absolutely zero brand loyalty and can easily port their algorithms over to other chipsets if they so desire. They are a great sink for chips right now but not worth burning a decade of goodwill and letting a very strongly positioned competitor get a foothold in you main markets.
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Plus, I remember some person (maybe my uncle at Nintendo) saying that gamers will always be a market, and losing a bit of brand loyalty is not worth pissing off forever-customers in favor of Etherium miners who promise to go Proof of Stake (coming soon!) any day now (lmao, right). Especially because consumers have AMD and very soon Intel to compete against. Brand loyalty can only be abused so far.
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i think it was paul who observed that their strategic actions make total sense if you assume they don't view mining sales as sales, just a very delayed middleman. a gaming consumer is going to use their product for what, on average 3-5 years, and then maybe sell up. crypto mining is infinitely more volatile than that and goes through known boom and bust cycles and the second the bust hits all those cards are more or less immediately resold - much, much quicker. similarly mining demand during a boom is kind of inelastic - if you're buying a money printing machine you're a hell of a lot more willing to pay a significant price premium than someone using the equipment as the manufacturer intended. a miner is adding in resale cost in their ROI - they don't care if GPUs are 100 dollars or a 1000, within reason, so long as they can reasonably expect to recoup most of their cost. other users do not have this luxury!
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Have we talked about the Godzilla 3070 https://twitter.com/kaijunewsoutlet/status/1413487302194647045?s=21
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Have we talked about the Godzilla 3070 That seems pretty low effort on the AIB maker's part, or maybe the waifu card just set the bar too high.
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It’d better smell like Godzilla.
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Been playing GTAV with FSR - it is extremely loving cool. Ultra quality is almost impossible to tell apart from native at 4k, yet runs noticeably faster. A clever guy managed to port it over so that the game's resolution scaler uses it. It's on github and the author actively works on it. https://github.com/NarutoUA/gta5_fsr Goes without saying: don't use this for GTA Online, it might trip up anti-cheat Zedsdeadbaby fucked around with this message at 18:06 on Jul 9, 2021 |
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That's especially impressive work considering AMD hasn't actually released the FSR source code yet, they had to yoink the shader bytecode from one of the games that shipped FSR officially
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ShopBLT order just went through, shipping today:
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:Goes without saying: don't use this for GTA Online, it might trip up anti-cheat Not being cheeky but does Rockstar even monitor for that anymore? Last I played there was a bunch of cheating(??)/modding going on in a regular lobby. Or maybe rockstar gave up on the cat and mouse game and moved on.
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