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Please, white chuds wouldn't last two months before contracting cholera because they'd be too proud to boil water.
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Jul 9, 2021 16:53
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infernal machines posted:https://twitter.com/CityNews/status/1413512766644625410 Great radio clip from the Waterloo medical officer of health this morning, saying essentially, "Yes our cases are still high, and they're all Delta, but we are still entering Phase 2 on Monday. Get vaccinated!"
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Jul 9, 2021 17:19
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PittTheElder posted:Lol you say that as if Alberta hadn't removed all restrictions over a week ago, and doesn't have the Calgary Stampede in a couple days. Well it's more that Alberta's population is smaller than Toronto, so yes this is reasonable to say Doug is dumber.
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Jul 9, 2021 17:41
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Jordan7hm posted:nearly 80% of ontario has received a vaccine dose and just over 50% of 12+ have received 2. One third of Ontario has no doses, and over 70 percent are not even a single week past getting their second dose.
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Jul 9, 2021 17:53
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PittTheElder posted:Lol you say that as if Alberta hadn't removed all restrictions over a week ago, and doesn't have the Calgary Stampede in a couple days. Pleads posted:And yeah, Ontario is 2 weeks behind the Open 'Er Up Alberta train. Try harder Doug Ford (plz don't). lol. Welp.
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Jul 9, 2021 18:17
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The particularly galling thing to me has been the cities discarding their mask mandates so fast. Masks are such a tiny, insignificant thing, that protect a large part of the non-vaccinated population (which at this point is still most of the population). Just stick to your guns and require them indoors until the second vaccination rate comes up. 
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Jul 9, 2021 18:37
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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PittTheElder posted:The particularly galling thing to me has been the cities discarding their mask mandates so fast. Masks are such a tiny, insignificant thing, that protect a large part of the non-vaccinated population (which at this point is still most of the population). Just stick to your guns and require them indoors until the second vaccination rate comes up. Calgary city council was frustrating as gently caress to watch. Farkas (UCP lapdog and conservative who didn't get bullied enough kept screaming WHY DONT YOU TRUST THE SCIENCE and asking the city how many epidemiologists they had (the city had actually like 100 though a Harvard city network). Also why don't you trust the chief medical officer?!?!? (the cabinet makes the recommendations not the CMO) We delayed lifting the mask mandate by about a week, Edmonton's was atleast close we ended up 10-4. Wow the numbers are going down yay us, this has never happened before when schools were out and we clearly have no lessons to learn.
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Jul 9, 2021 19:15
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It's odd, I don't mind wearing a mask still in some cases, and I don't mind not wearing a mask or being around maskless people. It's a complete non-issue for me and I can't bring myself to get worked up for either side now that I'm double-vaxxed. And, not-online, it seems most people are generally doing that. Everywhere I've gone has been a mix of masks and not-masks, and no one's getting upset or yelling or anything.
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Jul 9, 2021 19:31
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I can't say I especially care now either. I don't like wearing a mask but I also know we're almost out of this thing so why can't people just stop acting like toddlers and be patient.
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Jul 9, 2021 20:31
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i want ONE marshmallow and i want it RIGHT NOW!!
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Jul 9, 2021 20:45
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PT6A posted:And, not-online, it seems most people are generally doing that. Everywhere I've gone has been a mix of masks and not-masks, and no one's getting upset or yelling or anything.
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Jul 9, 2021 20:48
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So Manitoba hit the second "goal" for reopening well ahead of the August Long Weekend, and Pallister... has said he's going to wait before easing restrictions again. I'm scared, he's actually doing something... sensible? During the pandemic? I mean, I know stopped clock and all that, but still... what? Who is this man and why couldn't he have been running the province sooner?
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Jul 9, 2021 20:57
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Lol yesterday during O'Toole's latest limp dicked news conference he said that Conservatives would help BC pay for the SkyTrain development. Today Trudeau and McKenna were in BC announcing funding for the SkyTrain during the latest stop on the PM's Western Canada trip. When is the last time O'Toole has made a public appearance where he's spoken to actual people and not businesses and shareholders? When is the last time he's had a policy announcement that wasn't playing catch up to shot the federal government has already announced or planned to announce? How bad do conservative leaders have to be to get dunked on by Justin loving Trudeau.
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Jul 9, 2021 20:58
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They've probably run focus groups and figured out any public appearance does more harm than good so they'll hide him in a cave until election day.
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Jul 9, 2021 21:01
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No wonder he's pale as milk.
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Jul 9, 2021 21:17
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Randalor posted:So Manitoba hit the second "goal" for reopening well ahead of the August Long Weekend, and Pallister... has said he's going to wait before easing restrictions again. I'm scared, he's actually doing something... sensible? During the pandemic? I mean, I know stopped clock and all that, but still... what? Who is this man and why couldn't he have been running the province sooner? https://twitter.com/dril/status/831805955402776576 gently caress Pallister. He's delaying cause they have no idea what the gently caress to do and didn't plan poo poo. So now that we're ahead they are scrambling. gently caress HIM
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Jul 9, 2021 21:40
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Yeah I read it as the MB PCs set plans with arbitrary goals and measures and anything that deviates from the plan, even when it's a positive like people vaccinating faster than expected, is to be ignored. It's rare that PC bullheaded policy results in something good, but I still see it for what it is.
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Jul 9, 2021 21:43
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Pleads posted:I got my second Pfizer dose yesterday, had about an hour of getting way too hot and wondering if I was gonna be one of those 103 degree fever havers, but then I cooled off and went to bed and this morning I just have a sore arm and my brain feels like it's running at about 50%. The open'er up train that is being led by BC, which reopened indoor dining at the end of May (and only closed it at the end of March).
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Jul 9, 2021 23:01
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Arcsquad12 posted:Lol the bald thumbtack is out in Calgary propping up Kenney's whining about equalization being unfair for Albertans. Which one
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Jul 9, 2021 23:07
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Wistful of Dollars posted:Which one The current seatwarmer for Lego Hair Harper.
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Jul 9, 2021 23:15
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I just want to bask in the fact that Vancouver's SkyTrain rapid transit system is just so loving popular and beloved that politicians of every stripe are publicly tripping over themselves to fund more of it. Seriously. It's really quite wonderful to see.
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Jul 10, 2021 00:20
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Oh lovely, I wasn't able to book my second dose sooner than a day after they open up Ontario.
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Jul 10, 2021 00:47
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sitchensis posted:I just want to bask in the fact that Vancouver's SkyTrain rapid transit system is just so loving popular and beloved that politicians of every stripe are publicly tripping over themselves to fund more of it. Turns out people like well-funded mass transit systems. Who would have thought? Oh the entirety of europe? Ok then.
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Jul 10, 2021 01:03
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Pleads posted:
https://twitter.com/lizzyinyyc/status/1413226581128998915?s=19
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Jul 10, 2021 02:09
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apatheticman posted:Turns out people like well-funded mass transit systems. Who would have thought? Europe? Whats that? We can only be marginally better than the USA at things.
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Jul 10, 2021 02:12
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Sashimi posted:My partner and I were being very confrontational with maskless people in our building's common areas during the winter. At this point we've given up since we're both double vaxxed, most people in our area have one or both doses, cases are a fraction of what they were, and we're just so tired of getting in people's faces about doing the bare minimum to mitigate a loving plague. It's just not worth the fight anymore, and we've more or less figured out who the assholes in our building are thanks to this. Yeah, it’s this. I spent so long giving a poo poo and acting on it that I’m all out of fucks to give. It’s poo poo for those who can’t be vaccinated but I can’t bring myself to give a gently caress at this point. I’ll wear the mask anywhere people don’t tell me they’re okay with not masking, and that’s where it ends for me.
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Jul 10, 2021 04:29
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Hot prediction: Ontario going into stage 3 is not going to lead to a significant spike in hospitalizations or deaths, even if it does lead to an increase in cases. Our vax numbers are solid and improving significantly every day. A single dose offers good protection against severe illness (including delta) and a lot of the holdouts are in the demographic that's lower risk for severe covid anyway.
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Jul 10, 2021 04:33
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prom candy posted:Hot prediction: Ontario going into stage 3 is not going to lead to a significant spike in hospitalizations or deaths, even if it does lead to an increase in cases. Our vax numbers are solid and improving significantly every day. A single dose offers good protection against severe illness (including delta) and a lot of the holdouts are in the demographic that's lower risk for severe covid anyway. I'd agree, but I think the summer is gonna be a big part of it; people are spending a lot of time outdoors and like last year that's gonna keep cases low. It'll be interesting to see what happens in the winter, when people are inside all the time and when most if not all restrictions will likely have ended; that'll be when we see how successful our vaccine program was.
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Jul 10, 2021 04:37
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I really wish we lived in a world where we could have a global, centralized, easy-to-verify vaccine tracking system without it being used to hurt the people it's supposed to protect.
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Jul 10, 2021 05:25
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prom candy posted:Hot prediction: Ontario going into stage 3 is not going to lead to a significant spike in hospitalizations or deaths, even if it does lead to an increase in cases. Our vax numbers are solid and improving significantly every day. A single dose offers good protection against severe illness (including delta) and a lot of the holdouts are in the demographic that's lower risk for severe covid anyway. Yeah, I can't really fault the Ontario plan all that much. Shame that it needed us to almost completely destroy our healthcare system for the tories to give their heads a shake.
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Jul 10, 2021 12:00
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prom candy posted:Hot prediction: Ontario going into stage 3 is not going to lead to a significant spike in hospitalizations or deaths, even if it does lead to an increase in cases. Our vax numbers are solid and improving significantly every day. A single dose offers good protection against severe illness (including delta) and a lot of the holdouts are in the demographic that's lower risk for severe covid anyway. For real, in no way does this phase 3 opening make Ontario in the race for dumbest province. We've had stricter rules (while also being inconsistent and confusing in parts) than most (all?) other provinces and definitely for longer. These phase 3 rules are still more restrictive than anything BC ever did I believe. Personally I would have wanted them to wait the whole length of the waiting period and not do it early but it's still acceptable to me. Canada continues to vaccinate well over 1% of the population per day. At some point you gotta roll back the doomsaying.
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Jul 10, 2021 13:39
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It's dumb because they had a plan, experts supported the plan, they insisted they were sticking to that plan, and then they caved to industry groups and agreed to open early and without any restrictions on indoor dining (guess why). My concern is specifically the reaction to any measurable increase in daily case counts following the stage 3 re-opening, because they've gone from "do nothing about it " to "panic and lock everything down" over the winter and I am wholly loving done with these idiotic, arbitrary, yo-yoing restrictions.
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Jul 10, 2021 13:46
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I've said this before, but the actual vaccination targets were the dumbest thing in Ontario and probably led to more pressure to open up early. It was obvious from the second that the plan was released that we were going to hit the targets WAY ahead of when we could move into the different stages based on the timing thresholds, which led to this weird situation where people could look at exactly the same data and half thinks we're rushing things and the other half thinks we're dragging our heels.
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Jul 10, 2021 14:23
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At least because it's July they can't open up schools way too early again. Please don't turn into a real life Beaverton article send kids back to school in July or August.
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Jul 10, 2021 14:26
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We're doing better than last year at this time on case counts and I don't know that indoor dining has been linked to any outbreaks here (if only because we haven't had any since last year), so my concerns aren't specifically about the public health impact so much as again arbitrarily deciding to ignore our own framework for safely reopening because, again, we've decided that it's inconvenient. And given the outcomes of the previous times we've ignored our own system for reopening, I'm somewhat concerned that the government will decide to do something entirely useless and arbitrary in response to any kind of increase in case counts.
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Jul 10, 2021 14:29
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I do wonder if the vaccine targets were chosen in part by a desire to hold onto the false narrative that Trudeau had failed to secure enough vaccines in good time so that Ontario could deflect from how badly its rollout started (what with falsely claiming they had vaccinated twice as many people as they actually had, sitting on tens of thousands of unused doses out if paranoia they would need them later in the event new shipments stopped, or severely underperforming for daily vaccination counts and blaming everything apart from a broken system they implemented.)
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Jul 10, 2021 14:32
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Arcsquad12 posted:I do wonder if the vaccine targets were chosen in part by a desire to hold onto the false narrative that Trudeau had failed to secure enough vaccines in good time so that Ontario could deflect from how badly its rollout started (what with falsely claiming they had vaccinated twice as many people as they actually had, sitting on tens of thousands of unused doses out if paranoia they would need them later in the event new shipments stopped, or severely underperforming for daily vaccination counts and blaming everything apart from a broken system they implemented.) Ontario’s pandemic response has been structured entirely around taking credit for any positive developments and blaming Trudeau for any negative ones. Given that the conservative media and social media are still trying to push the #TrudeauVaccineFailure, I can definitely believe that what you’ve laid out here was a factor.
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Jul 10, 2021 14:47
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There was always going to be a huge push to open things ASAP, I'm amazed they've waited as long as they have and actually learned from previous failure. And honestly? Ontario is opening 5 days ahead of schedule. Not 2 weeks, not a month, 5 days. And we're still vaccinating 200k people daily. We'll have close to 70% double vaxxed by stage 3 day As long as the vaccine push doesn't back off, as well as the summer vacation, I'm betting there won't be a huge increase in cases. Come September? When everyone goes back in-office and school? That will be the tell if our vaccination scheme as worked. And I can loving guarantee that we won't have the same type of lockdowns if there is a spike. Capital won't allow it.
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Jul 10, 2021 15:25
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MA-Horus posted:There was always going to be a huge push to open things ASAP, I'm amazed they've waited as long as they have and actually learned from previous failure. Québec already announced that. Fully vaccinated Quebecers will receive vaccine passports by September, and if cases spike, they will be necessary in order to access any non-essential services.
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Jul 10, 2021 15:27
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If we have more lockdowns in the fall I'm going to continue to socialize indoors with other fully vaccinated people (unless the situation changes and the vaccines are no longer effective) In terms of opening early, we're ahead on every metric from the best case scenario they modelled when the framework came out. Sticking to your guns for the sake of sticking to your guns doesn't make a ton of sense. My biggest complaint with this government has been their failure to change course when the situation changes. It's not just capital that wants to loosen restrictions. A lot of people are vaccinated and want to start getting back to their lives. I'm not saying we should fully reopen with packed concerts and stadiums but I want to get back to playing hockey with my vaccinated friends.
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Jul 10, 2021 16:13
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