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for more forested hikes i usually bring my singlenest hammock with me. barely any weight/storage penalty and it takes less than a minute to set up comfortably enough and then i have a chair and a bed for my lunch break
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People give me poo poo for packing my little folding chair on day hikes, then I laugh while they hunt around for a convenient rock or log when it comes time to stop for lunch.
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Jul 8, 2021 17:52
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Dick Burglar posted:So if I'm new to camping, one of these things wouldn't be a terrible way to getting into it? I'd like to get a legit tent as well, but if I can start with a lovely tent--because I'm gonna end up intentionally/unintentionally abusing my first tent--I'd feel less bad about chewing it up. Also, any particular recommendations on patch kits and seam sealers, or are they all pretty much the same? Are you going to be backpacking or car camping? Because that will drastically change the answers people give you. armorer posted:If you choose to sell them, I may be interested in buying them. Thanks ill keep that in mind. There are a TON of cheap knock offs out there too if you want one soon. My friends have a few and they look pretty much identical to the brand name ones I have.
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Jul 8, 2021 17:52
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Dick Burglar posted:So if I'm new to camping, one of these things wouldn't be a terrible way to getting into it? I'd like to get a legit tent as well, but if I can start with a lovely tent--because I'm gonna end up intentionally/unintentionally abusing my first tent--I'd feel less bad about chewing it up. Also, any particular recommendations on patch kits and seam sealers, or are they all pretty much the same? Cheap tents are totally fine if you will be a few minutes from your car when something goes wrong. If you are a few days into the back country then having your shelter fail catastrophically could be a life or death problem so you might want more reliability.
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Jul 8, 2021 17:54
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withak posted:People give me poo poo for packing my little folding chair on day hikes, then I laugh while they hunt around for a convenient rock or log when it comes time to stop for lunch. Sitting on the ground crosslegged feels amazing to me at lunch breaks so my main concern is someplace dry. It's when we stop for the night and I'm relaxing that having something to recline into becomes real valuable.
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Jul 8, 2021 17:57
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withak posted:People give me poo poo for packing my little folding chair on day hikes, then I laugh while they hunt around for a convenient rock or log when it comes time to stop for lunch. Funny because I would think those little chairs would make more sense to carry day hiking vs backpacking when pack space is at a premium with other more necessary items. I've been eyeing a chair but I know I'll be picky so I've got to see what's out there.
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Jul 8, 2021 18:03
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God Hole posted:for more forested hikes i usually bring my singlenest hammock with me. barely any weight/storage penalty and it takes less than a minute to set up comfortably enough and then i have a chair and a bed for my lunch break Yeah, hammocks make amazing camp chairs. I can't lean back fully in our Helinox chairs without worrying about falling over. But sitting sideways in the hammock with it pulled up behind my head is so drat comfortable. I do usually put something under my legs so the edge doesn't press into my thighs. It probably takes about the same amount of time to set up as a Helinox type chair though. Probably better for camp or a relaxed lunch break than just a brief trail rest.
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Jul 8, 2021 18:03
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BaseballPCHiker posted:Are you going to be backpacking or car camping? Because that will drastically change the answers people give you. I have two of the knockoffs and they're pretty good for the price. I use them as car camping chairs mostly because the packed space is a lot smaller than other options, so they're easier to bring along. I wouldn't mind having a few more.
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BaseballPCHiker posted:Well Ive tried out my new camp chair a bit and unfortunately the search continues. I love those Coleman chairs, I keep one in the back of my truck. I don't think I would try backpacking with it though. Dick Burglar posted:So if I'm new to camping, one of these things wouldn't be a terrible way to getting into it? I'd like to get a legit tent as well, but if I can start with a lovely tent--because I'm gonna end up intentionally/unintentionally abusing my first tent--I'd feel less bad about chewing it up. Also, any particular recommendations on patch kits and seam sealers, or are they all pretty much the same? Tenacious Tape is what people seem to recommend, Walmart sells that too https://www.walmart.com/ip/Gear-Aid-Tenacious-Tape-Patches-Black/37022260, or you can get big rolls of it elsewhere. Coughlans makes cheap basic stuff that tends to work. You're probably going to break a pole if anything breaks. https://www.walmart.com/ip/Coghlan-s-Nylon-Tent-Repair-Kit/19897901 Or duct tape works if you don't care how your tent looks. I mean that is a really cheap tent, not sure seam sealer is actually going to help much if it rains now that I'm reading the reviews. TBH I'd use that for car camping in nice weather at a campsite with bathrooms and a general store on one of those trips that you spend more on beer than food.
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Fitzy Fitz posted:I've been meaning to go to the firefly thing. How was it? We actually went post peak (I think it’s first week of June) and it was still incredible. Definitely worth it! Especially if you’re a photographer, there are some beautiful long exposures. We were lucky enough to tag along with a local family (who ended up being a fantastic guide) on the Little River Creek trail. They came out about 9:30-10 and for a few hours we were surrounded by magical waves of light. It almost felt like there should be a concert to accompany it. It’s a pretty cool mating ritual!
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Jul 8, 2021 19:31
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FogHelmut posted:I love those Coleman chairs, I keep one in the back of my truck. I don't think I would try backpacking with it though. tenacious tape is legit, i put some on an unraveling seam on my puffy coat like three years ago and its still stuck strong.
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Is mixing your own permethrin just as effective as Sawyer's? Or do they have additional additives that helps it bind to fabrics? This stuff really doesn't go very far when you're treating tents.
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Jul 8, 2021 21:21
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Ive been diluting my own premithrin concentrate and soaking clothes for years now with no ill effects or loss of potency. I've read on Andrew Skurkas blog that he's noticed a difference in how long treatment last between DIY applications and commercially applied premithrin, but I usually get about 6 weeks no problem out of a DIY application. Just depends on how much rain and UV light hits the fabric.
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BaseballPCHiker posted:Ive been diluting my own premithrin concentrate and soaking clothes for years now with no ill effects or loss of potency. Any brand you use? Some of the reviews on Amazon saying some of these smell like diesel.
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FogHelmut posted:I mean that is a really cheap tent, not sure seam sealer is actually going to help much if it rains now that I'm reading the reviews. TBH I'd use that for car camping in nice weather at a campsite with bathrooms and a general store on one of those trips that you spend more on beer than food. Yeah, just use this as a “do I actually enjoy sleeping outside?” test tent and don’t expect it to hold up well in the elements at all. Long ago when my SO and I went on our first camping trip together, the tent poles were left 300 miles away and we had to snag a tent at Walmart 45 minutes away and race back to the park before they closed the gate. It rained that night and I woke up with my feet wet the next morning because the floor of the tent eventually soaked through or something. There’s also the option of renting some gear to test out if you’re unsure - I know lots of REI stores do gear rentals, and I know there are places you can rent from online now too.
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I personally abhor disposable products and don't see any reason to buy a lovely tent just to trash it later. You won't have any problem offloading something decent for a good chunk of the sticker price in this market, in the case it doesn't stick. Just my 2c 
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Jul 9, 2021 00:12
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Seam grip works really well also. I like tenacious tape, have used it successfully on my jackets over the years.
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Jul 9, 2021 00:31
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I know its a stool rather than a chair with a proper back but I have one of these and its pretty awesome: https://www.amazon.com/GCI-Outdoor-PackSeat-Portable-Camping/dp/B0015OYXY4 The legs are basically heavy duty tent poles so they can quickly splits in half. Im a poorly postured nerd who tends to lean forward rather than back when sitting anyways so it works great for me. Ive also sat for multiple hours in it while hunting and been surprising comfortable the whole sit.
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DapperDraculaDeer posted:I know its a stool rather than a chair with a proper back but I have one of these and its pretty awesome: https://www.amazon.com/GCI-Outdoor-PackSeat-Portable-Camping/dp/B0015OYXY4 Got one of these and they're p comfy and lightweight.
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BaseballPCHiker posted:Are you going to be backpacking or car camping? Because that will drastically change the answers people give you. The conversation was specifically about car camping. I wouldn't expect that cheap POS to hold up well enough that I'd try backpacking with it. FogHelmut posted:I love those Coleman chairs, I keep one in the back of my truck. I don't think I would try backpacking with it though. Fair enough. Thanks for the information.
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Dick Burglar posted:The conversation was specifically about car camping. I wouldn't expect that cheap POS to hold up well enough that I'd try backpacking with it. I always recommend REI garage sales for tents if you’re a member and have one nearby. Lots of good tents for cheap at those typically. I got my Kingdome 4 used there for like $150 and it’s a fantastic car camping tent. Check out Alps Mountaineering and Paris Outdoors on Amazon as well. They’re two great “budget” brands that’s a step above disposable Coleman/Walmart gear and the pricier options.
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BaseballPCHiker posted:I always recommend REI garage sales for tents if you’re a member and have one nearby. Lots of good tents for cheap at those typically. I got my Kingdome 4 used there for like $150 and it’s a fantastic car camping tent. This. If you have a decent rei nearby with garage sales or a garage section, you can score incredible gear for cheap. You just have to be a little flexible on models, read the tag to see the return reason and be able to/be familiar enough with gear to know if anything is missing, broken or repairable. Tents are one of those things that are huge wins of you find something so long as it's not missing an important piece or damaged beyond reasonable repair. They're almost always marked down low. People also abuse their return policy in order to essentially rent really nice gear for a weekend and return it so you can give a lot of essentially brand new/used one or twice gear. My Nemo hornet was $100 and used once but literally looks brand new. "Too light" was their reason for return. My osprey Atmos 65, "did not like fit". $100. Brand new condition.
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"I am new to camping" and "know your poo poo re: tents" do not typically line up, guys.
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REI also now sells used gear on their site. Their decision to have a specific spot on the floor for garage sale items instead of sales has me visiting my local spots way more than before.
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Someone can tell me I'm wrong about everything or add to this: Tent Brands: Ozark Trail - very inexpensive, cheaply made, do not expect it to last, would avoid wet weather, otherwise functional Coleman - standard car camping gear, been around forever, pretty functional, generally reliable Kelty/Alps Mountaineering/Eureka - priced above Coleman, better materials REI - comparable to some premium gear at a good price MSR/Mountain Hardware/North Face/Big Agnes/etc - premium tents, premium price Note: Tent sizes are deceiving. They do not count any extra space for gear in their sizing. A two-person tent fits two people side by side sleeping opposite head to toe. A four or six person tent follows the same sardine-packing rules. Get a larger tent if you are keeping gear or dogs inside the tent. Vestibules do not count towards person-space. They are useful for storing gear out of the rain but also out of the tent interior. There is typically not a floor in the vestibule. Backpacking Tents: Regular tents: Cheap - cheap, heavy, takes up a lot of space Mid-price (this is actually a big range that I don't know how to break up) - depends on brand, lighter weight and still sturdy, better packability Expensive - premium space materials, ultra lightweight, loses some durability Ultralight tents: minimal design, often uses one or two trekking poles as the tent support Hammock: it's a hammock. May or may not include a rainfly or be a self contained structure. You should have trees around to hang it from. Tarp: ultra light, requires skills Note: Watch out for listed weights as it can become hard to compare as some of the lighter ones do not come with tie-downs or footprints. Car Camping/Overlanding: Ground tent: See brands above. Use whatever tent you like that fits you and your gear/group. No need to worry about weight or size, depending on your car space. Roof Top Tent Pros: - off the ground - built-in mattress - camp anywhere you park - looks cool Cons: - off the ground is in the wind - off the ground makes it hard to get out at night to pee - off the ground isn't great for getting your dog in and out - can't drive anywhere until you pack up the tent - very expensive Swag: This is a one person heavy canvas bivy style tent with its own built-in foam mattress. They're heavy and big when packed. Rare in the US, popular in Australia. Feels like sleeping in a coffin. Pop-up trailer: A small trailer that unfolds into a camper. Canvas walls, usually has a kitchen and seating. Overland Trailer: A basic trailer with big tires to hold your gear and probably has a rooftop tent on it. Teardrop Trailer: Small, lightweight, enough room to sleep, built in exterior kitchen. Travel Trailer: Many sizes, many prices, often comes with bathroom and kitchen, may be had with air conditioning and heating. Truck with bed cap: Protected, not as roomy as a van, but your truck may have other uses. Van: Driveable. Room for murals on the side. Truck Camper: Sits in the bed of your truck. Generally need a larger truck to carry these. Camper/RV: Self contained home on wheels. Ranges from the size of an ambulance to the size of a bus. Some expand to palatial sizes. FogHelmut fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Jul 9, 2021 |
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I'd add Alps Mountaineering onto the list of brands. It kinda slots itself between the super cheap stuff and REI. Their tents are pretty quality materials, but usually not the lightest technology. My backpacking tent is a 2 person Alps Mountaineering and it's been great for the price. You can find em on sale a lot on Steep and Cheap.
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I've also had good experiences with !Eureka tents. Good designs, keep the weather out, durable and on the cheaper side
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Probably need something about tarps and hammocks.
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FogHelmut posted:Probably need something about tarps and hammocks. Imma quote that in the OP here, if you want to add or change anything lemme know and I’ll chuck that in! E: also open to adding or removing or redoing whatever else anyone thinks should go in there… just lemme know and I’ll quote it in there Catatron Prime fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Jul 9, 2021 |
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Math You posted:I've also had good experiences with !Eureka tents. Good designs, keep the weather out, durable and on the cheaper side Great. I'm going on a 3-day backpacking trip in the shenandoah next month and picked up a used Eureka Midori 2 tent on geartrade.com for 87 bucks including shipping. I thought about getting something nicer but honestly I doubt I'll be able to go backpacking more than once or twice per year for a while since my kid is still a toddler so I figured cheaper is better for now. Hoping it shows up with all the pieces. I also got an Atmos AG 65L for $142 and it looks brand new except for not having tags. So basically, geartrade is awesome. Now I'm just on the lookout for a decent used canister stove and bear canister/bag and I'll be ready for the trip.
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OSU_Matthew posted:Imma quote that in the OP here, if you want to add or change anything lemme know and I’ll chuck that in! I added a note about tent sizes, and a blurb about hammocks and tarps, but those could be expanded.
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Just to chime in at the end of chairchat, my wife got me the rocking chair feet for my helinox chair and I started using it much more around our campsites. I was always annoyed with the legs sinking into the dirt, and I’m always leaning chairs back on two legs, so when she got the rocking feet for me it really went from a nice light chair to something I’m always eager to set up and recline in. I realize that after adding up the chair and the rocking feet that you’re looking at a really hefty price tag, but for the comfort I’ve gotten in the last year or two it’s been worth it for me.
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This is how I do most of my camping now when solo hunting and its pretty great. My truck has an 80" bed so I can readily fit a cot back there along with my gear. Its really handy and cozy. Its also pretty discrete so on road long road trips if you need to pull of somewhere and get some sleep. Pro tip: get a shower rod and run it along the length of the cap so you have something to hang a lamp on, clothes up to dry, etc
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Not sure where to post this, but I got a pair of goretex new balance sneakers that got a bunch of sewage on them (the sewer line burst in the basement last night), and i’m wondering if they’re goners. They didn’t get properly logged with sewage water, but definitely splashed, and i had to clean up the area in them so they def came in contact with a lot of nasty poo poo. How can I properly clean these so i don’t get like a staph infection or something?
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I mean. If they're going to be trashed anyway you may as well try to clean them up. I would spray them off with a hose first, then soak them in a 5 gallon bucket of water for a few hours or a day or so in a mix of dish soap, simple green/degreaser, maybe some borax (laundry detergent booster). Give them a good scrub with a brush, not so aggressive as to kill the fabric/uppers and see if they can be recovered. That's been my technique for stinky shoes in the past. If it doesn't work, toss em.
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I soak my kids lovely clothes in water with a lot of Oxyclean when the baby has a blowout or when the older one was potty training. Seems to work pretty well.
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Head Bee Guy posted:Not sure where to post this, but I got a pair of goretex new balance sneakers that got a bunch of sewage on them (the sewer line burst in the basement last night), and i’m wondering if they’re goners. They didn’t get properly logged with sewage water, but definitely splashed, and i had to clean up the area in them so they def came in contact with a lot of nasty poo poo. Rinse/scrub them off, then throw them in the washing machine on hot with some tech wash (or just regular detergent if you’re not worried about clogging the goretex or stripping the dwr). Dryer on low, or air dry, or walk them dry. They should be fine.
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FogHelmut posted:Someone can tell me I'm wrong about everything or add to this: Hilleberg - when you want to upgrade from a premium tent
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second washing machine, esp. if you've otherwise written them off. i've washed (non-goretex) shoes a couple of times with no issues
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